Can anybody find an actual instance where Obama HIMSELF has ever uttered something un-American?

[scheming daemons]

ANYTHING at all?


Since they can't get the candidate on anything that HE actually said or did, the only option they have is to find things that close friends of Obama have said or done and try to tie those things to Obama.


Prediction: Next week, this forum will be awash in posts about William Ayers of the Weather Underground. You see, Obama was once "friendly" with him. Mark my words... that's the next line of attack.

[SoFlaJet]

1. How about some juicy Hugh Rodham stuff

selling pardons why doesn't some "surrogate" of Obama start tossing those little nuggets out?

[CreekDog]

2. All I know is that something that screams "he's not one of US" comes out every few days

:eyes:

[leftofcool]

3. I don't think Ayers was Obama's spiritual advisor

[backscatter712]

4. *chirping crickets*

They'll lie, they'll smear, they'll attack him with guilt by association, but they can't come up with any attacks of substance.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. But, but, but . . he doesn't wear an American flag pin. How un-American. He must be a Communist!

[JimGinPA]

5. Another Doomed OP Looking For Input Of Actual Evidence From HRC Fanatics...

Anticipate crickets.


K&R

[MADem]

6. That Weatherman stuff isn't new. And it is yet another example of the man's JUDGMENT.

He has a two decade long friendship with a guy who is on trial now. He has a two decade long association as a congregant with a rather radical pastor. The Weatherman shit is just icing on the cake.

In the media, perception is reality.

Ask Mike "Tank" Dukakis. Ask John "Swiftboat" Kerry. Those guys were skewered with false accusations.

There's no need to make anything up, here. All that has to be done with Obama is point out who have been his friends. Crooks, God Damn Americans, and domestic terrorists. That's how it will be rolled out. By his friends we shall know him.

[scheming daemons]

10. "by his friends we shall know him"

Marc Rich
Jim MacDougal


...to name a couple.

[MADem]

12. Toss it out there if it makes you feel better. They spent forty million bucks investigating that

stuff.

Oh, FWIW, Marc was Bill's pal. Or are we going to vet Michelle's connections, too? I noticed that the faux outrage over the ancient Clinton connection to old "Made in America" Wal Mart sort of abated when it came to light that Mrs. Obama got over fifty grand from them MUCH more recently. Funny how that happened....

[backscatter712]

22. Mark "Blackwater" Penn

who on top of lobbying for Blackwater, also lobbied for Union Carbide after the Bhopal disaster, Philip Morris and the Argentine junta government.

[MADem]

24. Oh, we aren't even getting into "lobbyists" or "campaign associates" yet.

But if you want to play that game, James S. Crown is the answer. He's not just a piddly lobbyist who takes a paycheck for shilling for his masters, he IS one of those masters--he owns a great big chunk of the American WAR machine. And he's gotten a nice bit of Quid Pro Quo from his association, too.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

7. UNAMERICAN? How does what Wright said about 9/11 differ from what Ron Paul

said about it to Giuliani in several Republican debates (in content, not in tone)?

[MADem]

13. Is Ron Paul looking for the VP slot under Obama? What's the point of that remark?

He's Republican. And he's a racist, too. Oh, AND a homophobe to top it off.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. But is anybody arguing that Ron Paul is "UN-AMERICAN"?

[MADem]

19. I don't know anyone, except the far right screeds, who ARE saying that Obama is.

What they are saying, though, is that he has a MASSIVE BLIND SPOT. That it's almost as though he doesn't care about his problematic associations, or is clueless as to how they'll be perceived. That he's got a real problem with decision making when it comes to something as simple as examining a person's character and world view and deciding if they're worth hanging around with. That he makes critical errors in judgment when selecting his friends and associates, that he has curious and LONGSTANDING relations with an indicted Chigago-by-way-of-Syria wheeler-dealer (who himself has ties to other shady types) , an angry, intemperate America damning pastor, and a couple of domestic terrorists. And that's just for starters--we won't even go into the Donnie McClurkin or Pastor Kirbyjon Whatsisface business.

The supporters of Obama are pooh-poohing these associations, but they speak to who he really is, who he likes, who he holds regard for. One controversial association is one thing, but it's history repeating with this guy. It's as if he likes to "live dangerously" by hanging out with bad boys, or something. It's not quite Elliot Spitzer sneaking around with hookers, but it has that same "Catch me if you can" quality, these friendships.

[MADem]

20. Pardon my doubleclick... nt

[Vinca]

8. Wait, wait, I've got one. I have it on good authority Obama stopped

at a diner for lunch and ordered a sandwich with ANYTHING BUT American cheese. There . . . take that. And he told them to shove their red, white and blue Jell-o, too.

[VolcanoJen]

9. No joke... didn't they actually try to smear John Kerry...

... with something like this in 2004? He was in Philadelphia and ordered a cheesesteak, but with Swiss cheese or something?

Seriously... anyone else remember that?

Never forget, they'll stop at nothing! One day, Vinca, some Freeper is going to reference your DU post as HUGH!11!! PROUF that Obama hates America!

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[northzax]

11. is there a single recorded instance

of Hillary Clinton saying something racist? No? But then how do we all seem to know she's racist?

By thier chosen companions ye shall know them. You want to know me? To know what I really am? Look at my friends, not always the ones from childhood, but the people I choose to associate with as an adult. Every politicans has some slimy associates, you can't avoid it. But some have more than others, and some keep them closer than others.

[cottonseed]

14. "I'm running against Hillary for the Democratic party nomination."

That did it for the Hill supporters.

[formernaderite]

16. I don't think so...but you do have soundbytes

from Michelle that have a vague similarity. I voted for Obama in my primary, I wish him well...but I absolutely think Edwards pulled out too soon.

[izzybeans]

18. It's a logical extension of his middle name. he has to hate America. I mean

his name, and you know like Louis Farrakhan endorsed him in stuff. He clearly was sent here to destroy god's chosen country.

This Obama's pastor is unamerican bullshit is just a logical extension of that Manchurian bullshit. It sucks that we have to answer to a bunch of shit drummed up by the racists at Free Republic and Fox News. If you haven't seen them beating this dead horse then you haven't been paying attention.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. Michelle's "proud" remarks will be used in conjunction with Rev Wrights sermons by the 527's

[EffieBlack]

23. It doesn't matter. He's a black man and therefore, by default, assumed to be:

1) Un-American;
2) A criminal;
3) Obsessed with white women;
4) Not to be trusted

It is up to him to prove affirmatively, conclusively and unequivocally that he is none of those things if he wants to be given at least as much credit as white men start out with before they even brush their teeth in the morning.

Apparently, you didn't get the memo.

[bridgit]

25. pft, He's far too lawyerly for that, he talks in beige and shades of off-egg-white...

He understands the specific gravity of words. He's too near the 'say nothing and you say nothing wrong' template for me. But why wait until next week, to lament over matters you could musing upon today http://my.barackobama.com/page/dashboard/public/gGrXCt :thumbsup:

[skooooo]

26. he plays Motown at his rallies...

and James Brown said some radical stuff during the 60s. Does that count?

:shrug: