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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:09 PM
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HILLARY CLINTON'S FATHER WAS RACIST & OTHER NASTY TRUTHS
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:13 PM by redstate_democrat
Hugh Rodham was a staunch supporter of Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign and remained a committed Republican until his death. Even after his daughter married Democrat Bill Clinton, he (according to Bill Clinton) "never gave up hope that his son-in-law would join him in the Republican Party and support a cut in the capital gains tax."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Ellsworth_Rodham

Clinton wrote that her father "inherited every prejudice imaginable," from his family, including against Catholics, Jews, and blacks. Hillary didn't share his prejudices, but it doesn't appear that she challenged him either, beyond joking that she would grow up to marry a Catholic Democrat.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/21/from_conservative_roots_sprang_a_call_for_change/?page=6

"He started out in life inheriting every prejudice imaginable in his working-class, Protestant family against Democrats, Catholics, Jews and blacks and anyone else considered outside the tribe. When I got exasperated by these attitudes during our summer visits to Lake Winola, I would announce to all the Rodhams that I intended to grow up and marry a Catholic Democrat a fate they considered the worst I could meet." Living History, p. 195


Hillary was raised, and heavily influenced by her Republican and Racist father. I wonder if her father had the same influence on her as did Rev. Wright on Senator Obama?


Hillary Clinton Compares House of Representatives to Brutal Conditions of Slavery on a Plantation

Said Clinton, "When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation and you know what I'm talking about..."

http://wcbstv.com/local/Al.Sharpton.Hillary.2.232564.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVaEuE90ifg


"Hillary Refuses to Reject or Denounce Racist Hispanic Activist/Supporter Adelfa Callego"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8sRgQsXSMk

"Obama simply has the problem that he happens to be black."--Adelfa Callego
In response, Hillary had this to say: "People have every reason to express their opinion."


"Clinton says Ghandi ran a gas station in St. Louis"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Mq8kOXV_E

Clinton pal Right Winger/Misogynist Bob Johnson "Something in the Neighborhood"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgQ5V1cL7iw

"Hillary's Admiration of Barry Goldwater"

” I liked Senator Goldwater because he was a rugged individualist who swam against the political tide. Years later, I admired his outspoken support of individual rights, which he considered consistent with his old-fashioned conservative principles: “Don’t raise hell about the gays, the blacks and the Mexicans. Free people have a right to do as they damn please.” When Goldwater learned I had supported him in 1964, he sent the White House a case of barbecue fixings and hot sauces and invited me to come see him. I went to his home in Phoenix in 1996 and spent a wonderful hour talking to him and his dynamic wife, Susan. " Living History, pg. 31

"Hillary Clinton's Early Views on LBJ"

"One of my friends, Ellen Press, was the only Democrat I knew in my class, and she was a vocal supporter of President Johnson. Mr. Baker, in an act of counterintuitive brilliance―or perversity―assigned me to play President Johnson and Ellen to represent Senator Goldwater. We were both insulted and protested, but Mr. Baker said this would force each of us to learn about issues from the other side. So I immersed myself―for the first time in President Johnson’s Democratic positions on civil rights, health care, poverty and foreign policy. I resented every hour spent in the library reading the Democrats’ platform and White House statements."- Living History, p. 34

"Hillary and Bill Clinton's ties with Racist Sheriff Harry Lee---"

Quotes from former Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee:

"If there are some young blacks driving a car late at night in a predominantly white neighborhood, they will be stopped. There's a pretty good chance they're up to no good. It's obvious two young blacks driving a rinky-dink car in a predominantly white neighborhood -- I'm not talking about on the main thoroughfare, but if they're on one of the side streets and they're cruising around -- they'll be stopped."

"I'm going to catch that bastard, and when I catch him, he is going to be black. I just don't give a damn what people think of me anymore. If that was their daughter and we weren't doing that, they would be on our ass."

When residents of an all-black neighborhood in Avondale complained about police brutality, Lee pulled all deputies from the neighborhood.

Notably, after Hurricane Katrina, Sheriff Lee used his deputies to prevent evacuees from New Orleans to cross the Crescent City Connection Bridge into Jefferson Parish.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSsgwajStCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t1SVlVibDA
-----

Harry Lee hosted a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in May. Hillary Clinton was in attendance at the fundraiser.

Both Clintons are longtime friends of Sheriff Lee.

Lee passed away in October of last year. At his funeral, a letter from Bill Clinton commemorating Lee was read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commenc...

http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/10/local_and_s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lee

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:10 PM
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1. Flame bait.
You're not helping.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. LOL!
you are one to talk:rofl:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:42 PM
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46. Go look in a mirror, OK???
Geeeeeeez, you post the nastiest, most divisive drivel...and you take offense at this?

:eyes:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:43 PM
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47. Did you post that with a straight face?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:11 PM
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2. Like you got to choose your dad? Get real. I walked away from
my bigoted roots ... Obama didn't.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:14 PM
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10. I try not to place long time posters in the Ignore cage, but in this case I'm going to make
an exception. Good riddance
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. I've been tempted by Fredda many times. I keep her around because she still amuses me sometimes.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:19 PM
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I agree. Not a loss there. Good riddance.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:15 PM
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13. as did I
but just because someone has people they love who are racists doesn't make them the same-don't you have some republican friends or family members that you would maybe even take a bullet for?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. Nope. My oldest brother doesn't speak to me and that's just fine w/the
rest of us. My older brother and I never argue. Friends? They're all politically sympathetic.

I'd take a bullet for a cause I believe in - and after giving a decade for my parents, I've walked the walk.

But to blame me for my father's archaic ideas? Nonsense. Same goes for Hillary.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. She attended the fundraiser for Lee post Katrina
Long after her father's influence.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:26 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Excuse me, but what are you talking about? n/t
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:44 PM
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49. Your oldest brother is a wise man.
Welcome to my ignore list...<click>
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #49
58. I'd laugh, but you don't know you've just praised a racist bigot. I'm the
one who successfully transitioned to the secular world, who associates w/everyone ... but this is silly season and you honestly have no idea how wicked you are.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:17 PM
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15. Wait a minute!
People are questioning whether Obama shares Wright's views, a totally UNRELATED person, but we can't look at Hillary's OWN upbringing in a very CONSERVATIVE household. This is not meant to disparage Hillary's father. She even wrote about HER father's bigotry in her BOOK LIVING HISTORY. People want to ATTRIBUTE some preacher's views to OBama, but we can't look at Hillary's upbringing?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. I thought Obama attended this preacher's church. That's a voluntary
association. I'm responsible for mine ... HRC for hers. Is your candidate somehow above the rule?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
33. is there some reason you keep screaming?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:31 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. I'm not screaming.
:shrug: What would ever make you think that?!
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:36 PM
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40. the all-caps title, all the caps you keep using--which are the equivalent of
of screaming online.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:18 PM
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16. Well did you now???
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:21 PM
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24. Sure, after lecturing the Lubavitch on Jewish law. And lived to tell
the tale. I'd love to see Obama stand up to his religious leadership the way I did when I was just 11.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:28 PM
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32. I believe he HAS
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:30 PM by redstate_democrat
You just don't want to see the truth! What you are seeing are basically three "30-60 second" clips with controversial views. Did Wright call white people slurs? Did he call them the "n-word" as have Sheriff Lee and her own father? When he spoke about America's foreign policy, has he said anything different than what many anti-war activists have already said?

Do you believe this is the SUM of this church? Do you believe this is ALLLL that this church talks about? If you do, then you need to become better informed.

Face it, you're blowing this way out of proportion and if you want to fight dirty, I will fight dirty too.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:31 PM
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36. Has anyone ever called Obama a nigger? Let's see ... I've been
attacked for being Jewish - so, when I hear Black hate, I remember the pain. This is different from Chomsky, who was very polite when we corresponded by email.

Out of proportion? You've seen nothing yet. This isn't my fight ... I'm content w/my candidate and her composure.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #36
42. What have black people done to Jewish people?
So THIS is what this is about with you?

YOU ARE IGNORED.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #42
51. Ah, you don't know ... look up Brownsville, Brooklyn. I lived there.
And still live nearby. It's about conditions here, not me personally ... I did nothing to that Black boy.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:05 PM
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52. you excuse a daughter about her dad but you hold a man responsible
for his minister?! It amazes me how you can't see the problems here.

I personally had a fabulous dad so I don't have the problem of having a dad I can't be totally proud of but she did. However, she was a daughter and that can be excused. The others can't be. Obama is no more responsible for Wright being an asshole than Hillary is for her dad being an asshole. However, if you persist, I would think a father would be more a personal liability by proximity of blood, then a preacher is less so.
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Oleladylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:11 PM
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3. wowee...gosh oh gee, flame bait yup
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:11 PM
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4. If Goldwater was anti-Catholic, why did he put a Catholic on his ticket?
Besides, I've frequently heard commentary that, despite what problems Goldwater might have had, racism was not one of them. I can dig up a quote if you can't find it.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:44 PM
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48. I believe the anti Catholic
reference was in regard to Hillary's father.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:12 PM
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5. And that's a 24/7 blood relation
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:13 PM by Catherina
not a Sunday sermon.

The Clintons and their supporters aren't fooling many people anymore.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:48 PM
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50. Let me count the ways....
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:49 PM by Hepburn
...

1. Goldwater Girl

2. Prez of College Pubbies

3. Voted YES on IWR

4. Voted NO on K-L Amendment

5. Voted NO on banning cluster bombs.

Yep...her NEOCON up bringing certainly shines through!
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:25 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Yes it does
These so-called "hillary supporters" are nothing more than Republican operatives who have descended on this board from all over the Internet to cause trouble. They come from Free Republic, Rightwingnews, and other sites.

They fool no one. They're talking about it actually. We know their game. It's fun how that EVEN THIS won't take Obama down.

Watch them type themselves into a freenzy trying to push this nonstory. It is ridiculous. They want Hillary so bad, they can taste it. How dare this black man do it without even using the Rovian tactics they would NEED to use, like all of her scandals and fraudulent deals.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:12 PM
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6. This Obama supporter thinks you're an idiot
just wanted to put that on record.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:13 PM
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7. Let's not go here. I'm sorry, but this isn't right to raise the prejudices of her father.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:15 PM
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12. Ohhhh
so WHO gets to decide who is and is not off limits?

I think this is a serious thing we should look at. We have people wondering whether or not Obama shares the views of some entirely separate UNRELATED person, but Hillary's own father was a racist. I don't think anyone is ATTRIBUTING his views onto her.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:13 PM
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9. Yeah, how SILLY of her to write about it in her BOOK!!!
:rofl:

That dawg ain't hunting....


Really, if you want to play THAT game and talk about DADDIES, Obama's daddy was a POLYGAMIST. What, don't go THERE?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
22. Oh, maybe we can go deeper than that/
Let's talk about Hillary's other family members, shall we? So now you're talking about Muslim culture with polygamy because it doesn't fit your Christian values? Wow. Talk about closed mindedness!
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. No, it's in his book. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 04:33 PM
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54. You were the one who brought up DADDY. And now you want to play a silly game?
How outrageous of you. Your first thesis fails, yet you want to carry on.

Flopsweat desperation. Pathetic.

We can't choose our family members, or our 'crazy uncles.' Or EVEN our polygamous "stepmothers." And certainly not our racist or intemperate, skip-out-on-the-child-support Daddies.

We can, though, choose our FRIENDS and our PASTORS.

Christian values? It's not an everyday occurrence for Muslims to marry Christians, though they are "people of the book." Obama's father married two putative Christians; caucasians, both of them.

But then, you don't know much about your candidate, do you? Here's numbers One (Kezia, Muslim) and Three (Ruth, Not Muslim):



    She was married to his father, Barack Snr, a former goatherd from her homeland of Kenya, who was killed in a car crash when Barack was 21.

    Barack Sr, a Muslim, would go on to marry two more women - Barack Jr's mother Ann Dunham, an American he met during a scholarship to the United States, and an American teacher called Ruth.

    But it was Kezia who remained his one true love and to whom he always returned.

    Strangely, Kezia and Ann became great friends, writing to each other often.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=506338&in_page_id=1770

Why do you rather BONEHEADEDLY assume I am a Christian? Because it helps you to articulate a rather poorly-thought out argument?

That's the most amusing bit of all.

I think your Christ is a charming fellow, his followers, though, I am not so sure about...to paraphrase Ghandi.

Keep it up, there, Brownie, you are doing one Heckuvajob!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:14 PM
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11. Quit posting facts. You know Hill supporters see facts as flame bait.
You will make Hillary cry!
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:16 PM
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14. you choose your mentor and spiritual advisers, not your parents
and Hillary can just stay quiet, as well she should


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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #14
27. HRC knew this was coming. n/t
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Ferraro did say that this would be the last time the Obama campaign
would be able to call anyone racist

Maybe they did know, either way Ferraro was right
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Like Bella Abzug, she's a brassy broad
We never got to pick our feminist leaders ... they were just the ones willing to take the heat outside the kitchen.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:19 PM
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19. Hill has a lot more skeletons in the closet than BO
If the going gets tough, BO will bring them out and expose her hypocrisies.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:20 PM
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21. WE are only allowed to pass judgement on Obama, Queen Hillary is off limits
:crazy:
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #21
38. considering the vitriol posted on these boards, I find your statement laughable--
except that it is really pathetic.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:21 PM
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23. Give it a rest, will ya? How can we be bashing Hillary folks for...
posting this kind of tripe and then do so ourselves? The fact that Hillary's father may or may not have been a rotten guy matters how, exactly?
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:21 PM
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25. This is getting really tired.
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 03:33 PM by Zookeeper
While I mildly dislike Obama, I REALLY dislike his shortsighted supporters. You guys really are worse than the Clinton supporters, although I'm sick of pretty much all of you.

HELLO! John McCain! More war, likely draft, Supreme Court, no universal health care, continued corporate hand-outs, anti-choice, financial disaster, etc., etc., ET-f**king-C.!!!!

Grow the hell up, kids! Look beyond the next month! You all are destroying our chance for a Democratic to win the White House for a long time.


On edit to RedState: Those are pretty big words for someone that doesn't have the guts to post a profile.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #25
39. Not to worry. Hill can't win, do the math, and there was a lot of stuff in this post I didn't know.
Factual information isn't bad.

I didn't like the all caps of the subject line.

The fact that's Hills dad was a racist is interesting, but not particulary shocking, or damning to Hill, the stuff on the sheriff and her other Latino supporter is interesting though. One would think the Clintons might disavow those aspects of those people.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:10 PM
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55. Well, I'm sure we can (and it looks like WILL) continue to...
find examples of guilt by association, but it has become destructive to both candidates, at this point, possibly to a point of no return.

The next time a DUer is planning to post some deeply dug "dirt" on one of the two candidates, I wish he or she would stop and think about the Rethugs lurkers who are busy taking notes to use in the general election.

Maybe Clinton can't win; but Obamaniacs have created enormous ill-will. I'll vote for him because I don't want to see a McCrazy administration. But, some folks are so turned off that they will vote for McCain, Nader or not vote at all. (And vice versa.)

Obamaniacs will gloat over winning this battle. However, their nastiness may lose us the war.

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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:30 PM
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34. Did Hillary reject and denounce her father?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
41. I doubt she did and I wouldn't expect her to.
Some things are off limits, but I guess for Hillary's supporters, nothing is. They talk about his Church, his middle name, his father, his drug use as a KID, his "advantage" because of his skin color, and the smear that he is :scared: muslim :scared:

That is from the Hillary camp. Now, I'm a bad person because I brought up the fact that Hillary's father was racist. Give me a break.

She hates to denounce and reject smears against Obama. Just like she didn't denounce and reject Callego in Texas after saying Barack's only problem is that he is black and then, ironically, after Ferraro said Barack was somehow privileged and lucky to be black and that is how he is where he is today.

Strange.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:39 PM
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44. Neither would I - thought it was an obvious tounge-in-cheek comment. Just trying to make a point.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:31 PM
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37. I wouldn't use the Goldwater inferences (especially given Miller
as running mate). The father stuff probably isn't a good comparison for this situation. Some of the other stuff could apply.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:39 PM
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43. I would like to thank the Obama supporters who are standing against the OP.
You make me want to be a better DUer.
Thanks.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 03:41 PM
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45. Apple does not fall far from the tree...
...I'm just sayin'....
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:11 PM
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56. my father was a racist... and I didn't attend his church
of course he didn't have one... but that's beside the point ;)
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 07:15 PM
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57. wow, what a hideous person.
figures.
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