Obama's hypocrisy hurts him as much as Wright's words

[jackson_dem]

You can't publicly preach "unity" and getting beyond race with a "post-racial politics" (and present yourself as the only available vehicle to lead us to this promised land) and then in private endorse for two decades someone who couldn't be more diametrically opposed to Obama's public rhetoric. Obama, as expected, has issued a denunciation. It will mitigate things but the damage is largely done. You can't erase 20 years of endorsing bigotry with a politically motivated statement.

This is just the latest example of Obama saying one thing, doing another. As we learn more about his record we learn how often his rhetoric doesn't match it. If Obama is who he says he is, a leader for change who deeply desires unity, he would have pulled aside Wright and given him one of his now famous "there is no white America, no black america, no Latino America, no Asian America. There is only a United States of America!" (the audacity of a man saying this on national television and using that to launch a presidential campaign while privately endorsing the exact opposite) and then left the church long ago. He isn't from a small village in Idaho. He is from the third largest city in the nation, a city of 3 million. He had numerous churches which did not have a racist at the helm to choose from. He didn't. This can only be because he either agreed with Wright's worldview or he simply doesn't have the courage, the leadership, to take a stand that would hurt him politically (Wright's standing in Chicago was a boon for Obama politically). Either way it is not what you expect from a president.

Make no mistake. He endorsed his words via his action of returning to the church again and again for two decades. If a candidate went to Klan rallies for two decades could they simply say "I personally oppose its views"? This is an extreme analogy, though. A more realistic one is of a politician attending such a church. We all know if anyone but St. Obama attended a church with a racist pastor they would be done. Notice you don't here of any other politician having a racist pastor. There is a reason for this. They aren't naive enough to open themselves to such an attack. Obama's poor judgment did. When a campaign is based on words voters have a right to know whether those words are practiced by that candidate. Increasingly we are learning Obama says one thing, does another.

[krawhitham]

1. Let me hit what you're smoking

[jackson_dem]

4. It isn't hypocritical to not practice what you preach?

Is this the thinking kool aid produces?

[jackson_dem]

46. Apparently you know the answer. Just like Barack did but continued to do the wrong thing anyway

[DemBones DemBones]

94. That would be the definition.

Kool-aid destroys synapses according to the latest research.

[emilyg]

152. Yes it is. Big Time.

[Straight Shooter]

124. Jackson Dem is smoking a big bowl of common sense.

Obama is smoking spin.

[Alexander]

139. Is that what they call the crack in your neighborhood?

You kids and your drug lingo.

[CreekDog]

2. which judgement do you go with? the one on the war or which church they choose?

lmk. kthxbai. :hi:

[rodeodance]

57. 20 YEARS of poor judgment with his pastor and Reszo

[DemBones DemBones]

100. Considering he has voted to fund the war and to

extend the PATRIOT Act, his speech at an anti-war rally in Chicago in 2002 is meaningless.

Besides, he told the Chicago Trib in 2004 that his position on the war was basically the same as Bush's. :wow:

Trying to appeal to those war supporters outside Chicago while running for the Senate, see.

So Obama is 0 for 0 on judgement.

[CreekDog]

102. no offense but if BO is 0 for 0

you imply that the choices you say he failed on didn't count.

i'm not questioning your view, just your math. :dunce:

[DemBones DemBones]

110. You're inferring incorrectly. I'm saying he struck out

on judgement. He's also lied several times so three strikes he's out.

Such poor judgement has huge implications for his capacity to lead the country.

[CreekDog]

116. struck out is 0 for 3

you said 0 for 0. nyah nyah. :crazy:

[krawhitham]

128. 0-3 is striking out

0 balls
3 strikes


0 for 3 is making 3 outs in one game

[DemBones DemBones]

138. Thanks. I never did like baseball, even before my analogy failed!

Guess you could tell, huh?

:rofl:

[CreekDog]

140. thank you

extremely helpful. guess i deserved that. :eyes:

[DURHAM D]

3. Are you saying he can't have a Senator Byrd moment? eom

[jackson_dem]

6. Byrd didn't change his view overnight when under fire politically

Hence he has a lot more credibility.

[izzybeans]

168. Prove he changed his view overnight.

[MojoMojoMojo]

38. Byrd is not electable for POTUS,neither is Obama

[DemBones DemBones]

105. Exactly. Obama will lose to McCain. We need HRC to win!

:kick:

[Scairp]

121. I agree

This is why he shouldn't be the nominee. He hasn't been in Washington long enough to figure out these little games that both the press and politicians play there. Hillary has. I think that if he becomes the nominee, the MSM will chew him up and spit him out, and we will be stuck with "Mr. Maverick" (I mean President Maverick), who thinks it's okay if we stay in Iraq for the next hundred years. Yeehaw.:nuke:

[DemBones DemBones]

150. Plus Obama has said he'd put 100,000 more boots on the ground.

I always hear that and think "Is that 50,000 soldiers or 100,000 one-legged soldiers?"

(I know what it means, for anyone who doesn't get that that was a joke. I don't speak baseball but troops I
understand, being a former military brat. Obama would put 100,000 more soldiers on the ground
somewhere.)

[loveangelc]

5. ,,,and again?

[redqueen]

7. Sorry but does that guy preach that stuff every Sunday?

If not, then your comparing his sermons to Klan rallies falls flat.

[Mags]

13. The Good old Rev. called America the Klan.

If you think this is smart then I have pity for you. This is not going away soon.

[redqueen]

17. Yes well that proves everything right there, what you just said.

:crazy:

[DemBones DemBones]

89. Damn, and me without any white sheets!

I'll have nothing to wear if those "racist" Clintons make me go to the meetings.

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

16. 20 years of rantings isn't enough to reach a critical mass?

It is for most voters and this is why Obama is done as an electable general election candidate.

He isn't just a preacher. He is Obama's mentor. To believe Obama didn't know what he believed is like believing rethug senators didn't know Lott was a racist until his Thurmond comment.

[redqueen]

19. 20 years of rantings and how many sound bites are there?

Thousands? Cause that's what you'd need to prove he does it every Sunday.

[jackson_dem]

26. That is the point. If Obama is who he says he is he wouldn't need 1,000 soundbites

[redqueen]

49. You're not making any sense.

If he's not making those kinds of statements on a regular basis, that "oh noes Obama's been endorsing this for 20 years!" stuff makes no sense.

[DemBones DemBones]

120. If he weren't making such statements regularly, why

would Obama have earlier said there were things he "disagreed with" his mentor about?

He tried to create some distance and today he's trying to create more but the fact is he kept going to the church
for 20 years. You really believe that Wright never said anything extreme when Obama was there?

Michelle Obama said she'd never been proud of her country until people voted for Obama, so he's living with
a woman with anti-white, anti-American attitudes, a woman he met at Wright's church.

[redqueen]

130. Because there are some?

Just cause he said there are some things he disagrees with doesn't mean the guy says stuff like this every Sunday.

[maddiejoan]

165. right

because the people in the church seemed absolutely shocked by what Wright was all of a sudden saying.

:eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

122. The church sells tapes of his sermons, I'm guessing

the media/GOP have a lot more.

[redqueen]

137. Well then by all means lets all fly into a panic

based on your gut feelings.

[DemBones DemBones]

143. Why should I panic? I've already prepared

myself for the likelihood of a McCain presidency.

It would be nice if Obama would do the right thing and drop out now, throw his support behind Clinton. She
could win and he could make a comeback in 2012 if he wises up.

[redqueen]

147. Keep bangin that drum...

maybe someone else will start marching along with ya.

:hi:

[DemBones DemBones]

151. Some are. Others are taking a break from GD-P,

which I should do myself.

I do not WANT McCain to be president but if Obama is our nominee, I think McCain will win. You obviously
think Obama can win. We just disagree on that, as I am sure you don't want McCain to win, either.

I want Kucinich to win but the media will never allow him to be heard.

[redqueen]

156. I think both of our candidates can win, yes.

I don't know if they will, cause I'm not good at the prognosticatin.

And I'm with ya on Kucinich! :hi:

[qnr]

163. You & Redqueen are both lost in the ozone somewhere! Anyone with functioning

synapses should be able to see that Mike Gravel is demonstrably superior to Dennis! Freeper trolls ('Freeper Trolls' kinda sounds like some sort of weird candy, now that I think about it).

[texastoast]

8. You are right

You made an extreme analogy.

:eyes:

[DemGa]

9. Looks like Obama had no problem with it for twenty years

So NOW he condemns it? So what? It just shows the hypocrisy.

[jackson_dem]

18. Exactly. It isn't guilt by association. It is guilt by endorsement--for two decades

[texastoast]

27. ...

Tired of typing. And way too tired to set up the hotkeys that are going to be needed on this board tonight.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5082044&mesg_id=5082466

[MediaBabe]

60. Obama didn't even need to turn his back on his friend all he had to do is

Obama needed to stand up for what is right. He could have gone to his mentor after that devastating "God Damn America" speech and said "Ya know that isn't what we need and I think this church should not be selling that particular sermon for profit."

Would that have been too difficult? At any time since then he could made this gesture and stood by his church and stood up for his friend/mentor without selling out his country. He didn't. He put his church first and that is not a bad thing - unless you want to be the president of the United States of America - a position where where our country must come first in heart and mind and action.

[DemGa]

78. This is a very good point

Obama gives tacit approval to "God Damn America" and wants to be President of these United States? Obama indeed stayed silent. No, I think Obama cannot be elected with this association.

[qnr]

123. In addition, it shows lack of judgment. If you have political aspirations, then

you know that this will be an issue. Take a moment to put your opposing viewpoint into the church print organ, The Trumpet I think it is?

Senator Obama states that he didn't hear these. OK, that might be the case, however, the regular church members that they've interviewed were all familiar with them, and apparently they're regular features. Does that mean he never interacted with other members at all? Surely other members would discuss the sermons. Perhaps instead, it means that even though Mr. Wright was Senator Obama's 'spiritual mentor,' he didn't really pay attention to what was being said as he was being mentored?

Now, in many respects, the comments have some validity, and as American citizens, Mr. Wright, or anyone else, is perfectly entitled to make their case on their beliefs. However, the case forwarded in many of the examples doesn't jibe well with running for the office of the Presidency. An adult with aspirations for that office should be aware of things that most of the rest of the congregation seems to have known about. To claim otherwise would lead many people to question the candidate's judgment, attentiveness and/or decision-making abilities.

[DemBones DemBones]

154. That's an excellent suggestion. If he'd been smart enough

to do that, he wouldn't be looking for a paddle right now.

[still_one]

64. How many Christians left their Church when Jews were condemned from the pulpit?

Even though they may not have agreed with the position

[DemBones DemBones]

126. I've never heard Jews condemned from the pulpit

so I've never had to leave any church and I'm an old Boomer, one of those people Obamaniacs don't like,
not realizing that Obama is a young Boomer.

I would leave my church if the pastor made statements that were racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, etc. I'd walk down
the center aisle to the front of the church and shake my fist at him before going out one of the side doors.

Or maybe I'd hit him with my cane! :rofl:

[DemBones DemBones]

127. I've never heard Jews condemned from the pulpit

so I've never had to leave any church and I'm an old Boomer, one of those people Obamaniacs don't like,
not realizing that Obama is a young Boomer.

I would leave my church if the pastor made statements that were racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, etc. I'd walk down
the center aisle to the front of the church and shake my fist at him before going out one of the side doors.

Or maybe I'd hit him with my cane! :rofl:

[Radical Activist]

10. The guilt by association games

were just as tiring when Edwards supporters were playing them to make Obama look conservative.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. This Isn't Helpful, And You're All Sorts Of Wrong Here.

He in no way endorsed his words and I think it's disgusting to try and make it appear as if Obama subscribes to this message.

This can absolutely do damage to him in the GE, but only because the RW will use it to manipulate people into believing things that aren't real. But for you, prior to even the propaganda, to already believe that's real? Well, that just makes you really quite pathetic.

I find your false character attack on a good dem to be disgusting.

[jackson_dem]

23. Giving 25k to a church run by him isn't an endorsement?

You don't know him. I don't. We can only go by his stupid public actions, unless we want to drink the kool aid (be my guest). That fact is he effectively endorsed him for two decades.

Even if you don't accept that he endorsed him how can anyone not see the hypocrisy between his public rhetoric and his private actions regarding this?

[indimuse]

28. It's a HUGE endorsement when you spend 20 years..get married and BAPTIZE your

children in the same church AND by that man! Donations were an endorsement! this is it!

[cottonseed]

37. I don't even know the guy who baptized me.

I don't think my parents know him either. Do you believe donations, handling a wedding, or baptizing a kid leads a person to mirror the pastor's sermons in life?

[jackson_dem]

53. Obama HIMSELF has spoken of how crucial Wright has been to his life

Do Obama supporters know who their hero is? This is not garden variety pastor/churchgoers relationship.

Now imagine the rethug ad splicing Obama praising Wright and then Wright's words...

[cottonseed]

77. I've imagined it and it's not pretty.

That's an election issue that will have to be dealt with. I'm looking forward to seeing how he's going to handle it in his statements tonight.

[jackson_dem]

56. He gave it $25,000 just last year. No big deal to Obamantion

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

74. Until You Can Show Me Video That Shows Him Saying Such Things While Obama Was In Attendance,

you have no leg to stand on.

Just because these things were said, over a span of however many years, does not mean that a hint of such rhetoric was ever spoken during the services Obama attended. So to sit there and act like this rhetoric was a weekly occurrence and that for 20 years Obama listened to it without objection, is flat out deceitful and disgusting.

I'm very upset about this whole story. But I'm upset about it for completely different reasons. It bothers me because it could tarnish a good Dem and hurt our chances in the GE, which is ALL I'm concerned with. But to think for a second that this story means Obama shares these views or condoned them through his presence, while listening to them, for 20 years? No. Only really stupid people or those with selfish and warped intentions would draw that conclusion.

[LaurenG]

29. I appreciate you stepping up to this

I am starting to really worry about both democratic candidates. The sickness of the right wing runs deep and I do wonder how we are going to pull ourselves together in time to stop them where they stand.

Thanks you for your words OMC as I know he isn't your preferred candidate. :hug:

[izzybeans]

12. Make no mistake I've read this same shit on another site that we aren't allowed

to mention here.

[jackson_dem]

24. And many waters coolers across the nation. Obama is done as a viable general election candidate

[LaurenG]

50. Not democratic water coolers that I stand around. nt

[Tennessee Gal]

14. Bravo!

Well stated.

[Jersey Devil]

15. As a Catholic who has to listen to priests rant against abortion at mass

I think you are full of it. I go because the church does a lot of good things like feeding the poor and setting up shelters for battered women and a lot of community outreach. That doesn't mean I agree with all the sermons.

[jackson_dem]

33. Apples and oranges. All Catholic churches opposed abortion. Few churches are racist

Obama had options. You didn't.

Yeah, the Nation of Islam does a lot of social work too. I bet the people here would be defending Obama even if he went to Farrakhan's temple. This place is shockingly out of step with the general population and these are the people most enthusiastic about this sure-fire November loser. :scared:

[amandabeech]

48. Perhaps in the Catholic Church changing congregations wouldn't make much difference.

A UCC pastor has a post up and it sounds like the rhetoric in Obama's congregation is a little heated for the UCC, which is very liberal, but mostly white. We Methodists in my small hometown used to have vacation bible school with the Congregational UCC down the street. Their services were pretty tame.

I wonder if Obama ever looked for another UCC church with the same community outreach and a less politically problematic worship style that echoed his message of hope, change and reconciliation. It would surprise me if there were no such church in Chicago.

[DemBones DemBones]

160. Yes, it could. Priests vary a great deal just as

Protestant ministers do.

[amandabeech]

169. Thanks for the info. n/t

[MojoMojoMojo]

It doesnt matter how Obama feels toward Wright,The RW will sink him in the GE

[LSparkle]

20. Have you ever heard the phrase "cafeteria Catholic"?

Ask the average churchgoer (especially Catholics) if they agree 100% with ALL of the
teachings of their faith, with ALL the sermons of their ministers. Congregants go to
church to be spiritually fed -- not necessarily to eat everything on the menu. Your
statement that Obama "endorsed Wright's words by returning to the church again and again
for two decades" shows you're not familiar with how most people worship.

[jackson_dem]

35. Apples and oranges. There are many non-racist churches. He didn't switch to one

So much for his principle, leadership on "unity"?

Is being silent on racism is the same as being silent on condom use?

[LSparkle]

Is there any proof that Wright preached on race issues EVERY Sunday?

And even if he did ... Race IS a pervasive issue, especially for African Americans. I don't
think that white Americans have the FIRST idea how important this is -- how much bottled-up
anger, resentment, HURT there is out there. Especially during the past 8 years, I'm sure this
has grown as Bushco has dismantled government programs designed to help the less privileged, and
churches have had to step in and help.

If Wright had NOT addressed these concerns, he wouldn't have been ministering to the needs of
his congregation. That isn't RACIST; that's just doing his job.

[amandabeech]

85. A few years ago, in my hometown United Methodist Church, the bishop

installed a very conservative minister who conducted the services like a college lecture course, complete with xeroxed hand-outs. Half the congregation decamped to another UMC church three miles away. The bishop got the message and transferred the errant minister.

Before that, another clique attempted a putsch on the then about-to-retire pastor because he wasn't vigorous enough. The bishop transferred the older guy to that same church three miles away, and a bunch of people went with him.

When I was in high school, we had a minister who thought that he had a direct line to God, which isn't a part of Methodist theology. A bunch of people contacted the bishop, who removed that minister and ended up defrocking him.

Perhaps my experience is unusual, but it may be that many schismatic Protestants might see this differently than cafeteria Catholics.

[LSparkle]

92. There are no bishops in the UCC church -- each congregation

makes its own decisions. If the congregation felt that Wright was speaking to its needs,
then they would not have been subject to being overruled by a governing body. That's the
"democracy" of the UCC -- ministers have to please their church families or they're gone.

[amandabeech]

115. I am well aware that the UCC structure is different from the UMC.

Apparently, I did not make my point clear. My point is that many Protestants don't hesitate to leave their churches or change their ministers when they disagree with them. Therefore, they may be less forgiving with someone who doesn't agree with the pastor, but doesn't do anything about it. My guess is that there are a lot of indy protestants who will not be enthralled by the Rev. and Obama's association with him.

Personally, I think that there has been plenty to criticize in the U.S., but some of the other rhetoric to me is a bit over the top, and I think that repuke 527s will may real hay about this in October.

I sincerely hope that Obama manages to really defuse this tonight. It looks like he will be the nominee and our nominee must win if the country is to be saved. This Rev. Wright business is not helpful, IMHO.

[LSparkle]

131. I absolutely agree with you -- I guess I did get your point wrong

I wish (in retrospect) that someone (or some church body) had perhaps counseled
Wright against the kind of harsh language he used. (Some "adult supervision"
perhaps.) He was given the freedom to do as he pleased as long as his congregation
was happy, though, and now his excesses are probably making a lot of those people
feel uncomfortable (most notably Obama). I also hope he can somehow do effective
damage control tonight because it's really unfair for Wright's words to be stuck
in Obama's throat (so to speak).

[amandabeech]

135. I'm glad that my clarification makes sense.

It sounds like we're both in the pragmatic middle here.

[amandabeech]

86. Delete. Dupe.

[backscatter712]

21. Dude, that must be some good shit.

Quit bogarting and pass the bong, maaan.
:hippie:

[madfloridian]

22. Well, it must be time to dredge up oval office blow jobs.

You think?

I will not sit by and see our DC Dems destroy another good man. I don't even want to look at Hillary on TV now. I was a staunch defender of Bill in the 90s, when he was a hated figure in our area.

[Tennessee Gal]

34. "another good man"

So you want to defend Obama by trashing Bill Clinton?

Sheesh............

If that is your best defense of Obama attending this church and listening to the preachings of this man for 20 years, having him perform the Obama marriage, and baptizing the Obama children, you are in very sad shape.

[madfloridian]

41. Who is worse? Do you know what it was like going through that impeachment?

You want to condemn a man because of his preacher? Let's condemn the one who had a blow job in the oval office and then lied.

There was a time I would never have said that...but history is being rewritten here every damn day now.

It has become just an attack board.

Obama is a very good man. The Clintons are good people. But no more playing nice if they are going to keep on the race and preacher stuff.

No more.

[Tennessee Gal]

51. The Clintons are not responsible for Obama attending this man's

church for 20 years.

The Clintons are not responsible for Michelle and Barack Obama choosing this man to marry them and baptize their two children.

[madfloridian]

54. No, but Bill is responsible for his lies and sexual misbehavior.

That is far worse than having a preacher.

[kikiek]

82. Trying to dig up oldl trash on another good democrat is really helping Obama huh? Your anger is

misdirected. Try aiming it at a Republican. Or get used to saying President McCain.

[madfloridian]

97. You don't see the total hypocrisy.

DU used to stop trash like this, but now it all goes

[kikiek]

99. The trash has been allowed on both candidates. How is attacking Bill helpful?

[madfloridian]

103. How is trashing Obama helpful?

It is hypocritical of the Clinton campaign to play the race and the religion card.

[kikiek]

106. Get a grip. Everything that happens to Obama isn't because of Clinton.

[Tennessee Gal]

109. I second that!

[madfloridian]

129. This has become a place to trash him.

This is just like it was in 03 and 04. I thought by now the admins would step in before we destroyed each other.

Guess what. Bill's indiscretions will not be off limit. You say Obama's pastor is hurting him?

WHY the HELL do you think people will tread easily on someone who angered the nation with sex in the oval office?

[kikiek]

132. Old news. And compared to what's going on now we can only wish that were the headlines.

[Tennessee Gal]

113. This minister's words and Obama's continued relationship with him

are responsible. Not the Clintons. They had nothing to do with what this minister said from the pulpit. They had nothing to do with the Obama family continuing a relationship with this minister.

It is sad that you refuse to see that.

[madfloridian]

134. It is not nearly as bad as what is coming for Bill and Hillary.

If you refuse to see what I am saying to you, then so be it.

Of course one has to do with the other.

[Tennessee Gal]

141. Is that the depth of your support for Obama?

[madfloridian]

146. Is that the depth of your knowledge about Bill's impeachment?

Because that is where it will go. You can not tell people not to go there, because they will.

I used to cry after school when I was teaching during that time in this Southern Baptist area. We did not turn on the TV much then.

I was told to back off defending him by my principal. I had had some heated arguments standing up for Bill Clinton.

I always defended him, but that campaign is playing dirty. I will no longer do that.

[Tennessee Gal]

149. See, you have nothing in support of Obama.

Thank you for proving my point.

[madfloridian]

153. That shows me you have no clue what I just said.

Do a search...on impeachment, Bill Clinton.

Obama's class will defend him. He and Michele are great people, and it shows.

[polmaven]

167. This thing with Wright isn't ABOUT "religion"!

It's ABOUT "Don't sing God Bless America, no..God Damn America". It's ABOUT "Hillary is f'ing America like Bill f'd Monica". It's ABOUT racism. It's about blaming "white Americans"...ALL of us. It is NOT about religion...it IS about hate!

[Iceburg]

55. I'll take a message of love over hate any day/nt

[rodriguez94]

63. OMFG

Have you ever heard the old saying...


CLINTON LIED NOBODY DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[madfloridian]

81. I used to depend on that when I defended him.

Now with the ugliness of the Clintons toward Obama, I don't defend him any more.

[MediaBabe]

96. Yep. No more nice and "God Damn America" is certainly not nice.

"God Damn America" is exactly the kind of soundbite that will boom all across middle America in the campaign for the General Election. Good luck with those moderate Republican voters. Add in the lack of military experience, his 'cut n run' strategy and 'let's bring all the nasty guys to the table for a nice gabfest' and you lose the fence sitting Independent voter who is worried about national security.

There is little doubt that National Security is going to be a main issue this fall - it's McCain's strongest point and Obama's weakest. "God Damn America" isn't going to sound very nice at all.

[madfloridian]

52. See, you won't even address Bill's infidelity. And his lies.

So let's stop the hypocrisy.

[Tennessee Gal]

59. You stop it.

The Clintons are not responsible for the problems Obama is having right now.

Can you not defend Obama without trashing the Clintons?

I guess not.

[madfloridian]

62. It is called hypocrisy.....

and you should be aware of it.

[Tennessee Gal]

70. I am aware that you are guilty of it.

[madfloridian]

76. No, not me.

This bashing of Obama will get people so disgusted they will start hitting back with real ammunition.

[Tennessee Gal]

104. Oh, so the only way to defend what Obama has done

by continuing a relationship with this man is bash the Clintons?

And you are satisfied with that?

How pitiful.

[jackson_dem]

61. They are blind. Only about 1% of Obamites understands that St. Obama is not immune to attack

The guy is done as an electable general election candidate and here they are claiming it is no big deal. Most of them aren't even aware of what the Obama-Wright relationship even is, yet the defend it on cue.

[Tennessee Gal]

73. They better wake up and soon.

[madfloridian]

79. Then I guess if anything goes...we pull out the old files.

.

[Tennessee Gal]

107. Attempt to defend by attacking the Clintons?

And you are happy with that?

You have nothing positive regarding Obama to stand on in this matter. You are proving that with your every post.

[madfloridian]

136. No happier than I am with the bombardment here at DU on Obama.

It is sick and it is scary.

[Tennessee Gal]

142. Perhaps we are waiting for you to say something positive about

Obama on this matter.

You seem incapable of doing that.

It doesn't look good for you.

[jackson_dem]

39. DC Dems didn't get the memo the netroots mysteriously got

Maybe it got lost in the mail? I love how on the netroots Obama is seen as an underdog fighting the establishment and, of course, the DLC cabal. Tell that to the superdelegates. He has almost as many as Clinton. He has several major DLC endorsements, including rising star Kathleen Seblieus and even Al From has praised both Obama and Clinton.

[madfloridian]

47. Then let's by golly level the playing field with truth.

I am sick of the crap because Obama's preacher misspoke.

Bill was responsible for his behavior and his lies.

[Tennessee Gal]

69. Obama is responsible for continuing to attend this church with this man in the pulpit.

[maddiejoan]

166. Was Hillary responsible?

'Cos ya know --she's the one running for President.

[HuffleClaw]

25. it does seem odd that this is supposedly news to him NOW n/t

[rodeodance]

66. I am surprized that he did not think to deal with this issue prior running.

[cottonseed]

30. The Teflon Bam

It's starting to look like common sense, discussion, and understanding -- being straight as opposed to triangulation is winning over the American public. You can keep pointing out what's "curios", "disturbing", and "questionable" but we may just be at a point where people can investigate and make up their own minds.

[KittyWampus]

31. you obviously have never belonged to any group fellowship of any kind. Where you have to put up with

things that are beyond your control?

Sometimes the Fellowship and Good Work done by a group is more important that the occasional politically incorrect sermon.

[jackson_dem]

65. Leaving the church was beyond his control? What an agent of change and strong leader!

Yeah, I know, I know. If he went to Farrakhan's temple you all would be defending him as well and thinking it wouldn't hurt him in the general. After all, the NOI does social work too.

[KittyWampus]

118. again, you've obviously never been part of a FELLOWSHIP> where the group and it's work is paramount

you totally take Wright's words out of context and butcher quotes, mischaracterize Obama's church.

In short, you are dishonest. And have obviously never belonged to a Fellowship or organized group that does good work.

[jackson_dem]

125. So you are saying he couldn't find another good group in a city of 3 million

Right...Obama supporters have yet to find any decent defense for him over this and this is scary. If he is the nominee we better come up with something by the fall...

It is ironic you call me dishonest in a thread pointing out your hero's stunning hypocrisy. :rofl:

[moobu2]

32. Yup and Barack wants to call everybody else out on the slightest comment about race.

[rodeodance]

44. BO had a race-baiting campaign form day one--now we know who he learned it from!

[jackson_dem]

68. Great point. Add that to the long list of things Obama says one thing, does another on

[rodeodance]

36. lots of people out there talking about this--grocery ck out-at the local gas station. yup

[sueragingroz]

40. bang on. It goes to judgement and it kills the meme. this one sticks.

[rodeodance]

112. yes====POOR judgment.

[uponit7771]

42. What did Wright say that was racist?!?! Do you even know what the word means???!!?1

[Orangepeel]

43. good attempt to make this about something other than "people will be scared of his pastor"

"People will be scared of his pastor" is a legitimate potential problem for the campaign (although said pastor reminds me of George Jefferson). But since it is silly for them to be, you're trying to twist it in to something that actually has to do with Obama. Good try. It might work.

[jackson_dem]

72. It is naive to think hypocrisy and his poor judgment won't also be issues

Especially since Obama himself, once again, invites scrutiny on these fronts. He claims he is a rare politician who stands on principle and says what he believes even when unpopular. He touts his judgment. He ran the most religious Democratic presidential campaign by a viable candidate since 1976. Now he is going to pay the price on all three. This is almost Gary Hart/Monkey Businessish.

[rodeodance]

45. It was 20 YEARS of poor JUDGMENT!

[still_one]

58. Remember how Jews were viewed by the Church before Vatican II?

In the fifties and sixties, how many left their Church when the Priest, Pastor, or Minister said things that were hateful towards another group?

Very few did, though I suspect a sizeable group of them disagreed with the Priest or Reverend

You say Obama is a hypocrite, so is Hillary.

[moobu2]

67. This isnt the fifties and sixties

[still_one]

71. no, but there are still congregations in this country that have intollerance toward gays

and other "special" groups of people

[jackson_dem]

93. Expectations--including that set by Obama himself--were far different 43 years ago

You can't compare JFK being a Catholic in 1960 (JFK won overwhelming Jewish support against the Protestant Nixon) to what Obama is doing now. That was a time when blacks couldn't even drink from the same water fountain as whites.

[Faygo Kid]

75. Heard the exact same thing today from Rush, Hannity, Levin, Savage.

Channel surfed the radio out of curiosity until I couldn't take it anymore. They all made the same argument: Yours.

I'm sure you're proud to be in such good company. I will recall this fact each time I see your posts from here on out.

[moobu2]

83. Like you Barack supporters haven’t spewed

the same RW talking points about Hillary you could hear from those same assholes. Since this OP is about hypocrisy this is the perfect place for your comments.

[jackson_dem]

90. Maybe Obama can write a book with a few Obamies: The Audacity of Hypocrisy

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

80. 3 ordered paragraphs. 450+ words. Practiced outrage. C+

[dcindian]

84. This is the same type of rhetoric used to justify burning jews.

and any number of other gross miscarriages of justice.


It doesn't matter how nice how honest or what good a person has done for this country or his fellow country men. All that matters is what color his skin is or the religion he follows.

[jackson_dem]

87. WTF? Obama being called on silence in the face of what HE denounces=genocide against Jews?

Obama supporters are so out of touch with reality that it would be funny if they weren't on the verge of taking our party down as a result with them.

[dcindian]

111. people are not taken for what they do or what they stand for

instead are painted with the broad brush of religious rhetoric. That simple act has been responsible for the logic behind all sorts of terrible things.

We as dems stand for a different view.

[jackson_dem]

114. What he did was the exact opposite about his public rhetoric about unity/leadership/post-racial worl

That is a legitimate thing to criticize for him for Obama himself set the standard by which he should be judged.

[moobu2]

91. You’ve got to be kidding.

Saying Barack is a hypocrite for staying in a racist church has nothing to do with any miscarriage of justice, bid or small. He's a hypocrite, that's all it means.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

117. I think the "this" in your subject line refers to your post

[PerfectSage]

88. Actually the real hypocrisy is: God damned America with 8 years of Bush.

2 quagmires, gutted constitution, housing & financial bubbles bursting, recession, inflation, liquidity crisis and records deficits. Oil above $100/barrel, gold near $1000/oz and the US dollar at all time lows.

Looks like god is damning America; from superpower to superpower has been.

[moobu2]

98. Yes true, and thanks to the fake savior,

well probably have at least 4 more years of Repug rule.

[rodeodance]

108. and HRC is there to clean it up

[Barack_America]

95. With this, I've lost all respect for you as a poster.

I used to respect what you wrote and would look for your posts, though I often disagreed with them.

But lately, I've noticed that you are increasingly jumping on everything and anything anti-Obama. All objectivity seems to have gone out the window. Yet still I read your posts.

With this, however, you've gone too far. Your canned outrage is simply too much.

[moobu2]

101. Isn’t it hypocritical not to hold Barack to the same standards

his campaign held others too? YES!!!!

[jackson_dem]

119. What is unusual about holding Obama to the very standard he sets for himself?

You can't repeatedly say one thing and do another. This isn't just about Wright's racism. It goes to Obama's judgment, leadership, and unity talk. These are all core elements of Obama's candidacy. Where was the judgment for 20 years? Where was the leadership on behalf of unity and getting beyond race for 20 years?

I don't think he is a racist. He is just a hypocrite. More importantly, he is now radioactive as a general election candidate.

[ProSense]

133. Here,

this will make you feel worse about grasping at straws:

[Tennessee Gal]

144. LOL!

A poll from the end of February?

And this is now mid March.

[jackson_dem]

148. Speaking of polls, Obama runs 2-3 points better against McCain than Hillary

The fact he is running only 2-3 points better than someone who has been attacked for 16 years says it all about how weak he will be after the rethug machine is through with him...

[jackson_dem]

145. What does that have to do with Obama being unelectable in the general?

Your hero Kerry got swiftboated despite being a real war hero. Obama is going to be swiftboated as racist against three out of four voters. Lose even 10% of that 75% in one fell swoop and you are down 7.5%. Game over. Obama is going to make Kerry look like a great candidate...

[madrchsod]

155. he`s already being swiftboated

....i`m still trying to figure out why the rethugs would swiftboat him now instead of waiting till for the chance he may become the nominee. hell maybe they do want clinton to run against the walking corpse of the republican party..

[jackson_dem]

159. Where? Any ads splicing Wright/Obama being run?

ABC and NBC didn't even cover it on the nightly news and as far as I know neither did CBS or the major newspapers. If you think this is swiftboating wait for the all-out assault the rethugs will use against Obama in the fall if he is the nominee...

Exactly. They could swiftboat him now but they want him to be the nominee. Here is a guy who is largely a blank canvass to most folks who has received bad press for a grand total of about a week and a half. Yet he runs only 2-3 points better against a woman who the rethugs have savaged for 16 years and the far left has joined in hating (despite her having the same positions as their savior Obama) for years. After all that incoming fire she is basically on par with Obama right now. The rethugs know once they fire up their machine against Obama he will be shattered.

[moobu2]

161. Show me a poll in a week.

[cooolandrew]

157. Obama apologised and wright isn't on his campaign nothing more to be said really. link...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Where is grace now to accept an apology?

[cooolandrew]

158. Obama apologised and wright isn't on his campaign nothing more to be said really. link...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

Where is grace now to accept an apology?

[zabet]

162. K and R

Obama can denounce, reject and say
whatever he wants. He looks to this
Wright for guidance and Wright is mis-
guided. He even consulted and prayed
with Wright over running for the nomination.
He evidently trusts this man's opinions.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

164. What's even more telling is how the MSM refuses to question Obama's "judgement".......

which he's always crowing about.

His list of questionable friends and associates is longer than most people realize.

Hillary may have a few skeletons in her closet but Obama has whole cemeteries in his!

[uponit7771]

170. Just saw a vid of Rod Palsey or whatever McCains "spiritual" advisor is, the MSM has no room to talk

...and I guess it's ok to some to pick on gays and Muslims

[polmaven]

171. I have the feeling that observation

just may come up during the April 16 PA debate.

[robbedvoter]

172. "Now I run as black - now I don't" Now I praise Wright, now I disinvite him,

now I praise him again, now I distance myself from him again" Anyone else dizzy yet?
:shrug: