Obama has a "Pastor Problem" according to tweety

[senseandsensibility]

He has a big banner declaring that on his show, and he seems oh, so concerned.:nopity:

However, I don't seem to remember that concern when McSame had his "pastor problem". Remember that problem? Maybe not, since it got very little coverage. But McSame's pastor calls Catholic Americans "whores", and other such bon mots.

Where is the banner and the concern and the entire episode devoted to that "pastor problem?" Oh, and McSame has not rejected THAT pastor's endorsement. Weird how that works, isn't it?

[LSparkle]

1. Really ... so maybe Hagee isn't McLame's personal pastor but

it's still "guilt by association" which I'd LOVE to hear McSame renounce in general terms.

[BearSquirrel2]

12. It was a refusal to denounce the endorsement ...

It was a refusal to renounce an endorsement from someone practicing hate speech. I haven't seen the same type of rhetoric thus far from Obama's pastor. But if it comes up, he will have to renounce Rev. Wright's endorsement.

Yes America IS controlled by rich white people. Yes Hillary Clinton has never been called nigger (this is an acceptable usage). Yes 9/11 was retaliation for US intervention overseas. Yes we should condemn our own nation when we misbehave.

I think Rev. Wright should be criticized for a close association with Farrakhan. But how is this an issue? You are associated with someone who is associated with Louis Farrakhan. Wow. Are we going to start playing the Kevin Bacon game on this one???

[rocktivity]

2. I thought Obama was a Muslim.

:crazy:
rocknation

[senseandsensibility]

3. He's not

Not as far as I know, anyway.:-)

[baldguy]

4. Bush & McCain could be shown live on the TV feasting on the warm entrails of slaughtered babies

Tweety would still worship at their feet.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. Of course not, Obama is THE savior.

[anamandujano]

6. If Tweety has chosen his side, he knows how the story is going to play.

He doesn't like to be thought of as being late to the party.

[Drachasor]

8. He's not always right, and he just said it is a problem not that it is campaign-ending

So bear that in mind. It is certainly something Obama has to address strongly and clearly.

[Drachasor]

7. McCain's was a bit different, since there wasn't the long association.

Also McCain doesn't have as spotless an image as Obama, I think.

The Pastor thing is a political problem, but I think it is overall a rather small one. Hmm, there might be some truth to the view that small problems for Obama are blown up into larger ones since he has so few problems.

[anamandujano]

9. I'd like to hear your definition of big problem. lol!

[Drachasor]

10. Obama agreeing or saying such things or any evidence of that.

Having a good friend that OCCASIONALLY says things you vehemently disagree with happens and is not that big a deal, imho. All he has to do is make clear that on the questionable matters, he rejects and denounces his friend's views.

Plenty of other big sorts of issues too: Actual corruption in any way; Clear evidence of hypocrisy; and so forth. There's nothing like that out there. The worst things that can be dug up on Obama are rather lame guilt-by-some-association attacks.

[cyberpj]

11. Someone should ask Tweety if he's seen the articles about Hillary's "pastor problem" :

Mother Jones
Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

snip...
When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes. Its mission is to help the powerful understand their role in God's plan.

snip...
Coe's friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). Under Coe's guidance, Meese has hosted weekly prayer breakfasts for politicians, businesspeople, and diplomats, and Pitts rose from obscurity to head the House Values Action Team, an off-the-record network of religious right groups and members of Congress created by Tom DeLay. The corresponding Senate Values Action Team is guided by another Coe protégé, Brownback, who also claims to have recruited King Abdullah of Jordan into a regular study of Jesus' teachings.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html

Also:

Harper's Magazine (2003)
"Jesus plus nothing:
Undercover among America's secret theocrats"
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

LA Times (2002)
"Showing Faith in Discretion
The Fellowship, which sponsors the National Prayer Breakfast, quietly effects political change. It acts with the blessing of many in power."
http://www.toobeautiful.org/lat_020927.html


Yet another:
"THE CHRISTIAN MAFIA"

snip...
Waiting for God

Journalist, columnist, and television commentator Bill Moyers recently wrote that “for the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power in Washington.” Ever since Abraham Vereide, a misguided immigrant to this country who brought very un-American ideas of Nazism and Fascism with him in his steamer trunk, the so-called “Christian” Right has long waited to take the biggest prize of all – the White House. Moyers correctly sees the Dominionists or “End Timers” as being behind the invasion of Iraq. He cites the Book of Revelation that states, “four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates will be released to slay the third part of man.” Such words may have their place in Sunday School and in church halls but using such thinking to launch wars of convenience or religious prophecy have no place in our federal and democratic republic. Moyers also rightly sees fundamentalist thought behind Bush’s “faith-based initiatives” and the rolling back of environmental regulations.

Hundreds of millions of people around the world no longer feel the United States is a country that can be trusted. They feel the people who run the affairs of state are out of control and dangerous. Considering the hold the Fellowship and their like-minded ilk have on the United States (and some of its allies) they are correct in their fears.

The political and religious dynasties who have embraced the Fellowship, Vereide, Fascism, Moon, Buchman, Moral Rearmament and all of their current and past manifestations, hatreds, and phobias show no sign of ceding power any time soon. There are many such father-son dynasties that hope to ensure a continuation of their shameful racketeering and political chicanery under the corporate “logo” of Jesus: George H. W. Bush to George W. Bush; Douglas Coe to David Coe; Billy Graham to Franklin Graham; Oral Roberts to Richard Roberts, Pat Robertson to Gordon Robertson; Jerry Falwell to Jonathan Falwell; Jeb Bush to George P. Bush; Robert Schuller Sr. to Robert Schuller, Jr., and Sun Myung Moon to at least nine sons (who are known about).

For them and their followers, they should keep in mind something Jesus said, “Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit.”

FULL ARTICLE:
http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia.htm

[McCamy Taylor]

13. Don't be silly. The RW has documented that Hillary is a Satanist.