She has lost more ground.

[Perky]

The pledged delegate lead is now 160.

Her lead among super delegates has dropped from 80 to 37 in the last 30 days

Sha has lost the last three elections including Iowa today.

Since Super Tuesday she has lost 15 out of 17 with her only two wins being Ohio and Rhode Island.

Over 55% of her votes came from just 6 out of 42 states and she lost two of those (Texas and Illinois)

There are 10 elections left but only 8 of them are actual states.


And yet there are some supporters here who claim that she has the momentum and that it is her's to lose. That Obama should quit the race or simply accept the vice presidential nomination because of Resko or Wright.

She is going to lose the pleged delegate race and probably the Popular vote race. She has already lost the "won states race". What exactly is she going to win beyond the adoration of her core support?


And you have the audacity to call Obama followers cult-like?
You have the audacity to say that WE are delusional?

I am not gloating at all. I am just wondering when you folks are going to come to your senses.

I have never suggester that Hillary should get out of the race. I have never suggested that her supporters should give up.

I would never say that.


But some of you are in abject denial about where this primary is.

[mdmc]

1. either way

the DLC will destroy obama and we will get to chose between mccain and hrc. or obama wins.

[tokenlib]

10. Al From and his corporatist friends can go to hell n/t

[Exilednight]

40. IF Hillary loses this nomination, I would look for the DLC to create a 3rd party after this election

[papau]

2. Whem/if Obama ever wins a must win large state other than his home state - he wins my vote

[Drachasor]

6. Why?

[Perky]

7. He won Texas

He won Virginia
He won Wisconsin
He won Maryland
He won Georgia
He won Washington
He won Colorado

He tied in Missouri

He will probably win North Carolina

We will see what happens in Florida and Michigan.

Hillary has won Ohio
Hillary has won California

[WCGreen]

9. Let's please get this straight....

He won the Taxas Caucus and she won the Texas primary....

[Spider Jerusalem]

12. And he got more delegates; therefore, he 'won' in meaningful terms.

[Perky]

13. He wone more delegates in the state. That is afterall the thing that you

count at the convention

[ampad]

28. I bet you

That Hillary would trade that "perceived" win in Texas for the delegates Obama won in Texas because contrary to popular belief she knows delegates count. I know it makes her followers feel so much better knowing she won the perception of a win but as most people have been screaming for the last month or so, it all comes down to the delegates. Now that the NYT has come out with a piece stating that most superdelegates will probably follow the person with the most delegates and the pop vote there is no way around this spin on big states and such. They know what is up but let them keep thinking whatever, we know it makes them feel better.

[Perky]

14. He wone more delegates in the state. That is afterall the thing that you

count at the convention

[Kittycat]

17. That's right.

He has the dedicated supporters. She had Rush Republicans.

ETA - but it's the delegates that matter.

[nxylas]

35. Are all the results of the Texas caucus in?

Last time I checked, only about 45% of precincts had reported, and the full results weren't expected for another 10 days or so.

[Hepburn]

37. LOL....

...Obama won because these are NOT separate actions but but both are part and parcel of how TX chooses it delegates to the Dem Convention. The one who got the most delegates wins the state. And why? It is because the NUMBER OF DELEGATES is what matters at the convention. Did you manage to somehow miss how the nominee is chosen?

[ORDem]

43. Which of those do you think had more crossover Rethugs voting just to tilt it to Clinton?

Answer: the primary.

[K Gardner]

48. Thanks, Perky. Bookmarked, K&R

[WCGreen]

49. Look, I happen have a life outside of DU....

I am an accountant and am very very busy at this time of year...

I looked at the results on CNN and it was clear to me that Obama won the caucus and Clinton won the primary...

Which is what I stated...

So Obama got more delegates than Clinton...

But Clinton still got more votes than Obama...

Whether or not republicans crossed over to vote in the primary...

So really, it still is a true statement...

I am really really glad that there are so many people here who are just so wrapped up in every freaking detail about the election process in every state, every county, and every precinct....

Me, well, I use to be when I was young and didn't have a whole lot of else going on in my life...

But now, all I can say, Buddy, is thanks for being such a....

Well, I'll just let you fill it in, bucko...

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. You must not have heard Rendell saying Obama would beat McCain in PA, hmm?

And as to those other 'must-win' large states...a lot of them are safe states for ANY Democrat. Not just Hillary. Nice try, though.

[bilgewaterbill]

15. Does PA qualify? NC? Or is it just the ones that are already past?

[Duke Newcombe]

16. I will guarantee California for Obama...in the GE

is that big enough for you?

Duke

[Hepburn]

38. Same here from this Californian....

...Calif will go BLUE in Novembers. McCain has less than a snowball's chance in hell to take the state!

[Exilednight]

42. And I will guarantee New York for Obama, and a strong showing Texas.

Edit: in the GE that is. I seriously think he could possibly win Texas. All polls show him in a dead heat against McCain.

[Gore1FL]

23. Done!

VA, TX, GA, WI, MN, MO, and WA

[hedgehog]

39. Definition of a must-win state: any state that Hillary has won and Obama has lost.

Must-win states can only be determined following a primary or caucus.

[greguganus]

3. Time to change her name to History Clinton. n/t

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[JohnnyLib2]

21. Suicide bomber! Good God, man, please don't alert my mama.

She'll be greatly upset. And my cell hasn't even gotten the "go" signal.

:sarcasm:

[Nitrogenica]

5. How dare you point out all those facts about the front runner!

We must use the media to spin our way out of this by using the lessons Karl Rove taught us, and smearing anyone on our way.

*cough* *sarcasm*

:spank:

[usrbs]

11. I admit it's a long shot now

But if FL and MI revote (FL should, at least), and she wins big there and in PA and gets the majority of the popular vote, I think she can make a legitimate claim to the super-delegates. And there's no rule that they have to vote according to the number of delegates, especially if the popular vote goes to HRC.

[Perky]

25. That is her only shot probably but it is a long shot.

I suspect that if Florida is re-votes she wins, but I also suspect that He wins MI. she might win ten delegates in PA but that is going to be offset by North Carolina and Oregon. She is not going to close the delegate gap substantially in the 555 that are left in pledged delegates even if they get split

.

[Hepburn]

41. If...if...if...

...if...

IMO, your post pretty much admits that at best she has a far outside chance. Wouldn't be better for the party and our chances in November if she dropped out so that we can get onto the real task? Beating the shit out of that POS McCain come November.

[usrbs]

47. Why should the better candidate drop out when there's still a chance?

If the shoe was on the other foot I'm sure you would be urging a fight to to the end.

[ORDem]

44. FL and MI re-votes are going to hurt Clinton not help her.

Why?
1. As soon as either state gets a re-vote plan in place, those delegates and votes go poof, they are no longer counted, and thus Hillary falls back even further in the delegate and popular vote measures, until at least June. Ouch.
2. Obama wasn't on the ballot in MI, so it's very likely he'll do better than the 40% or so that uncommitted got. Turnout was low because MI voters thought it didn't count.
3. The original FL vote had more than two candidates on the ballot. Hillary's vote take there is probably topped out, but Obama's will surely rise without the presence of Edwards, et. al. on the ballot.

Re-votes in MI and FL are the final nail in the coffin for Hillary I'm afraid.

:dem:

[usrbs]

46. Maybe so, maybe not. Let's see. n/t

[ORDem]

50. Sure. Let's see. Or you could at least make an effort to refute my

points in some manner, rather than just waving your magic wand.

Anyway, looks like FL is now a moot point.

:dem:

[Arugula Latte]

18. K&R

:kick:

[Mike03]

19. I'm on your side, but maybe it's better to just lay low for now

and not gloat about this.

My philosophy is to be gracious, hunker down, be respectful of the opinions of others, and not make annoying, insensitive posts.

[TexasLady]

27. yup

[RiverStone]

20. Thanks for a sane and optimistic post...

Appreciate ya Perky simply telling it like it is.

I've been very surprised at the number of Obama supporters (???) who just kicked into panic mode over those goofy Wright tapes. Every candidacy has ups and downs - Obama's ups far out pace his downs.

What little reactionary mo Hillary's campaign thinks it will gain from this - will fade within a week.

In any case, Obama is in the drivers seat - and plans to stay there.

[Olney Blue]

22. Hillary is behind, but this primary is going to have to play out so

everyone can vote. I don't understand people that call for either candidate to drop out.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. It's the diabolical reverse psychology propaganda designed to demoralize.

It's like the oldest trick in the book.

[Perky]

33. Yes.. "But someday you and me PinkIe... we will takeofver the world!

[Frank Booth]

26. True Democrats don't believe in math!

[sniffa]

29. K&R

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Hillary's lost by every measure.

[XemaSab]

31. But Obama only wins by rigging the vote!

That's how he won Ohio and Florida! Sieres! :o

[wileedog]

32. Reality kick n/t

[Perry Logan]

34. So this leaves us with...Edwards?

[Perky]

36. LOL sure Perry, I love the way you keep your head in the sand.

[Scurrilous]

45. K & R

:thumbsup: