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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:33 PM
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NY Veterans Subjected to Illegal Drug Experimentation DIE...Hillary ignores pleas for investigation
It is articles like this (written by Sibel Edmonds) and have read through the years that has influenced my decision to support Obama:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton is a perfect example; an elected senator who has served six years in her seat, never taking a strong stand in support of her constituents on any serious or controversial issue; a senator who has used her record-breaking TV public appearances to say “nothing”; a senator whose senate office adheres strictly to a motto of “See no Evil, Hear no Evil”; an elected official who has no record of conducting investigations into cases that are matters of great concern to her constituents and to our nation; a senator who has consistently stood quietly on the sidelines when the issues at hand demand public hearings –waiting to determine the direction of each blowing wind; a politician who has spent all her focus and energy on a campaign of shallow publicity glitz and her PR empire behind it. Here are some documented illustrative examples:

James J. DiGeorgio and Carl Steubing died in ways no war veteran should. They were subjected to illegal drug experimentation by employees of the Stratton Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Albany, New York; killed by servants of the very government they fought to protect. Scores of other veterans were injured in these experiments, and only by the courage of whistleblowers Jeffrey Fudin and Anthony Mariano was any measure of justice achieved for these misdeeds. One person was convicted of manslaughter, but investigations into other officials collapsed because of a lack of institutional nerve to follow the investigation to the end. A scape-goated employee went to prison, while those who supervised, facilitated, and reaped the benefits of the lucrative, illegal drug testing went on to other VA positions with promotions and raises.

Between 2000 and June 2006, numerous contacts with Senator Hillary Clinton over the Stratton tragedy went unacknowledged, or glossed over, or shuffled around to various offices with no substantive action. No less than five Clinton staff members heard presentations and received documentation about the experiments, and Senator Clinton herself is personally aware of the detailed facts of the case. This personal knowledge did not translate into action, for though Senator Clinton carefully scripts her numerous public appearances to give the impression of caring and concern, her actions speak otherwise. She noted "our nation made a pact with those who serve their country in the Armed Forces – a commitment that those who served would have access to quality health care through the VA hospital system . . . and they deserve to be treated as the best." But while Senator Clinton was issuing such lofty statements and mugging for photo opportunities with active duty military, she did nothing about the systematic abuse and murder of veterans within her own constituency. The Veterans Affairs Whistleblowers Coalition, and more recently the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, sent numerous letters and e-mails and copious documentation, pleading for help from the Senator to investigate and address the crimes committed at Stratton, including unrelenting retaliation against the whistleblowers who brought these matters to public attention

Notably, the VAWBC recognized that the motivations and incentives that led to abuse at Stratton were present at many hospitals throughout the VA system, and that greed and poor management in the VA guaranteed that the events of Stratton would be repeated elsewhere. The most vulnerable people, the sick and dying with nowhere to turn but to the VA, were exploited and killed by those tasked with their medical care, and their suffering and death were ignored by Senator Clinton. It is doubly offensive that this woman sits on the Armed Services Committee, which, along with the Veterans Affairs Committee, has the duty to provide for the well-being of current and former military service members. For all her posturing; for a senator who advertises herself as a hawk and pro military; how does she show it in action? By abandoning our veterans and war heroes in need!

Senator Clinton’s failure concerning Stratton is not an isolated event; it is part of a pattern of studious avoidance of principled action in the face of serious government misconduct, and the refusal to come to the aid of those people who expose that misconduct. When Bunnatine Greenhouse exposed extraordinary graft and impropriety in government contracting with Halliburton, when Sergeant Samuel Provance reported prisoner abuse and torture at Abu Ghraib, when Russ Tice disclosed violations of the Constitution by the National Security Agency, and when Jay Stroup, Thomas Bittler, Jim Griffin, and Ray Guagliardi exposed serious defects and negligence in the Transportation Security Administration that puts travelers at risk, Clinton did nothing. No words of support, no calls for investigations, no efforts to prevent the lives and careers of whistleblowers from being destroyed. Documents on numerous cases were shared with her office, offers to brief her and her staff have been made on many occasions, pleas for her to live up to the words she so casually utters, have all been ignored, or even ridiculed.

In her six years as senator she has done nothing but attempt to position herself for the presidency, done nothing but avoid acting out of principle and justice, done everything to offend no one. We respect our opponents in much greater measure than we respect Senator Clinton, for with our opponents at least the fight is joined; at least they have the courage of their convictions, at least they place their bets in public. But Senator Clinton, by trying to be something to everyone ends up being nothing to anyone. Where she cannot act safely, she does not act. The current times call for politicians to act with conviction and intelligence, not with cynical, calculated action in response to what opinion polls indicate. If Senator Clinton cannot even come to the aid of constituent veterans being killed through grotesquely immoral and illegal medical experimentation, if she cannot commit herself to call for investigations of national security vulnerabilities that risk national catastrophe, if she cannot offer even moral support to those who disclose outrageous government incompetence and impropriety, is there anything that would prompt her to take a stance out of conviction? Such a person has no business representing the people of this country. Nothing stirs her soul except for her own selfish ambitions; ambitions that she places in front of the nation’s welfare.

http://www.nswbc.org/Op%20Ed/ClintonOpEd-Aug28-06.htm
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:35 PM
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1. God, that makes me physically ill.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:35 PM
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2. Thanks for the way-back machine to 2006. Got anything new?
:eyes:
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:47 PM
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8. LOL...that's rich
When were Pastor Wright's tapes made?

Anyway, it's always good to get a well rounded view of the person you choose to be president, dontcha think?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:52 PM
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14. You care about vets as much as your candidate.
:puke:
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:16 AM
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20. There is no truth at all that "Hillary ignores pleas for investigation"
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:29 AM by MethuenProgressive
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:55 AM
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31. They want to re-open cases that have already been exposed
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:20 AM
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33. Let's see
I guess you missed this part:

"In 2001, Mr. Steubing endured about six periodic treatments with an aggressive three-drug chemotherapy combination. Each infusion made him violently ill and forced his hospitalization. He died in March 2002."

When did Hillary become a senator?
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:30 AM
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34. Missed what? This has nothing to do w/the junior senator from NY,
who has an excellent record of constituent service. As for investigations

"Last month, at the federal courthouse in Albany, Mrs. Steubing glared at Mr. Kornak, 53, as he pleaded guilty to fraud, making false statements and criminally negligent homicide in the death of an Air Force veteran, James DiGeorgio. When Mr. Kornak admitted to falsifying the medical data of "subject initials CMS" - Carl M. Steubing - Mrs. Steubing's face crumpled."

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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:39 AM
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28. Jesus H. Christ....
...what a cold-hearted jerk you are...just like your loser candidate. Could you possibly care any less about human suffering??? Shame on you...

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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:40 PM
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3. Here's some more reading
The Clinton campaign today announced the launch of Veterans and Military Retirees for Hillary, a national initiative to highlight Clinton's support of the men and women of our Armed Services. Medal of Honor winner and Hawaii Senator Daniel Inouye will lead the national steering committee, which will advise the campaign on policy and outreach to the 26 million American veterans and their families.

...

Clinton has been a longtime advocate for veterans, calling attention to Gulf War Syndrome as First Lady, and leading efforts in Congress to provide life-saving armor for our troops and their vehicles in Iraq. She recently proposed a new GI Bill of Rights, which would expand opportunities for veterans to pursue education and home ownership and provide low-interest loans to start their own businesses. Her bill would also cut red tape for military personnel to receive the benefits and the healthcare they need, and crack down on predatory lenders who target military families.

Korean War veteran and Purple Heart recipient Congressman Charlie Rangel said, "I've worked closely with Hillary Clinton as a Senator and First Lady, and I've seen firsthand her commitment to veterans and their families. She has the experience and toughness to lead this nation from her first day in the Oval Office."

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/clinton/clinton052507pr.html
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 PM
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5. All show, no substance
I know it's hard to accept.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:45 PM
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7. It's easy to accept when everyone paying attention knows ... HRC is
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:49 PM
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12. Except in the case of these poisoned veterans...
right? And what makes it even worse, those responsible for their deaths have been given promotions and are now working in some other veteran hospital. And Hillary knows it.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:30 AM
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24. Wonderful post. You'll be attacked by the HillHaters, of course,
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:42 PM
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4. BO sits on the Senate Veterans Affairs committee. He is one the senate trusted to oversee the
activities of VA on behalf of the senate and We the People.

Its not surprising because BO missed over 50% of the committee meetings.

Cheney said he didn't fight in Vietnam because he had more important things to do.

Apparently BO missed most of the Committee meetings because he had more important things to do.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:45 PM
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6. Well, considering this occurred in NY before Obama took office...
One would think Hillary would be concerned about the treatment of veterans in her own state. Why didn't Hillary adress the Veterans Whistleblowers requests for an investigation?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:48 PM
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10. So you agree that BO has been derelict in performing his duties. Then you agree with most
independent voters, particularly veterans, and that's enough to cost him the election if he's our candidate.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:50 PM
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13. well, if you can prove that someone approached Obama with this issue
and he rebuffed them as Hillary did, then yes, you are correct. Got a link?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:54 PM
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15. No one has to approach BO, that's his Job to seek out major problems in VA and solve them with laws
Sadly he did not do his job and we vets suffer for the negligence of the Senate VA committee.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:58 PM
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16. Again...if you can provide information that proves Obama even knows
about this issue, then by all means, cough it up. It's absurd to think because he's on the committee, celestial choirs will start singing to him about this case.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:02 AM
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17. I say again, no one has to approach BO, that's the committee's job not HC. Why spend time trying to
protect BO?

Just admit he didn't do his job on the Senate VA committee and move on to the next issue on which BO failed.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:09 AM
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18. Nice try, but won't work
See, it was Hillary's office that was contacted about this story and given ALL of the information needed, LONG before Obama even became a Senator. There were whistleblowers willing to testify against those involved. Instead, your dear Hillary ignored them and allowed these same people to be transferred to another veterans hospital. I really want to hear you respond to that FACT. These "monsters" are now treating OTHER veterans.

So with that in mind, knowing full well that at least HILLARY had the information, where is your outrage over HER lack of attention to this scandal?
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:11 AM
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19. Won't work? Try and convince millions of veterans and their extended families. n/t
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:23 AM
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23. The fact that you won't answer my questions...
tells me all I need to know.
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:48 PM
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9. Why am I not surprised?
Thanks for the article.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 11:49 PM
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11. K & R
:thumbsup:
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:17 AM
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21. Oh no, not another Photo=Op president please.
We've already had too many of them.


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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:20 AM
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22. This has been my overriding impression of her for many years, Sibel stated it well.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 AM by Voice for Peace
"But Senator Clinton, by trying to be something to everyone ends up being nothing to anyone. Where she cannot act safely, she does not act. The current times call for politicians to act with conviction and intelligence, not with cynical, calculated action in response to what opinion polls indicate."

Including the Iraq War vote, the cluster bomb vote, kissing up to the shady characters in the administration, the Iran resolution. Where there was controversy she played it safe.

Another poster somewhere today (god I've spent hours here today, I'm losing my mind) was making the point, or posted an article, or something, about how foolish it is for Democrats to let the Republicans dictate the agenda. (inadequate summation of an excellent piece.) I had the impression she was trying to fool the Republicans into thinking she was one of them, so they wouldn't oppose her, and in the process, she became like them.

So much so that I remember being completely surprised when I first heard her say something negative about Bush's conduct of the war.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:37 AM
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26. I doubt she's fooling Republicans
One need only research the DLC and its start (largely because of the Clintons & friends) to realize they're agenda is nowhere near progressive and democratic.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:58 AM
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36. I confess I've been completely ignorant until very recently about the DNC vs DLC
and I bet a lot of others are as well -- my guess. I need to do some more reading. But so many I know who once considered themselves Democrats have been long turned off by what seemed to be the Democratic Party. Thanks for your always informative posts.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:33 AM
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25. I'll take Clinton's record on veteran's affairs over Obama's non-record any day.
It's nonsense - NONSENSE - to suggest Clinton "ignored vet's pleas".
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:38 AM
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27. That doesn't surprise me n/t
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:40 AM
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29. I see, so the whistleblowers are lying?
Do you know something about this story that you're holding back on? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:55 AM
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30. Whoah ... everything that went wrong happened before she even
became senator. You're bitching because she won't re-open old investigations?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/06/nyregion/06vets.html?pagewanted=all&position=
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:43 AM
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35. According to your own article...
"In 2001, Mr. Steubing endured about six periodic treatments with an aggressive three-drug chemotherapy combination. Each infusion made him violently ill and forced his hospitalization. He died in March 2002."

According to Sibel Edmonds article, the whistleblowers first approached Hillary in 2000...two years before this man was killed. So in essence, had Hillary DONE something about this, Mr. Steubing may still be alive today.

When did she become Senator?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:58 AM
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32. hilary's actually a
detriment..something to be really proud of. But, they got the big bucks now which is what they were obviously after.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
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37. Kick n/t
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