Tonight, I am heartsick

[B2G]

With Obama, I had so much hope that this county could be brought together, black/white, gay/straight, man/woman, liberal/conservative.

Now, I don't know. Maybe the divides are too deep. How could he sit in that church for 20 years and listen to the things Wright said and not believe any of it? I want so much to believe that he could be the leader that represented all of us, not just afew segments. The one who could bring us together, not dwell on our differences.

I just don't know anymore. It makes me physically ache.

[DJ13]

1. A little tooooo thick

I'd rate that a c+.

[B2G]

3. Really?

If you think I'm the only one feeling this way, you aren't paying attention.

Don't even try to minimize what I'm feeling here.

[Voice for Peace]

27. This might make you feel better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw

(Fact check on Obama's church)

[SwampG8r]

65. please make this its own thread

it should be

[Voice for Peace]

86. OK Done!

I thought of doing it last night but had already posted 3 threads --
thanks for the reminder.

Be sure to kick and rec at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5106473

[SwampG8r]

88. k&r

and ty

[ginnyinWI]

48. I don't feel at all hopeless!

I'm more in a mood like, "what else ya got?"

This will all be gone by Monday...okay Tuesday tops. And Obama's got some shiny new delegates to add to his pile this weekend!

:bounce:

[CTyankee]

90. The tape of Wright screaming "God damn America!" was a lead on GMA today.

The Republicans will NEVER let this go...

[roguevalley]

87. relax. we have months to resolve stuff.

[Rick Myers]

4. C- too simple.

A man speaks for 30 years and Obama is guilty of what?

He might have heard a sermon!!!!!!!!

Holy crap, that might mean he's NOT a muslim!!!!!!

[Redstone]

11. You called that one almost perfectly. I'd not go more than a D+.

Redstone

[Cha]

28. Your post

literally cracked me up. :rofl: You're way too generous..I'm giving it a big fat F for unoriginality and yeah, it was about a mile too thick.

[NEDem]

Yeah, not 'concerned' enough

I'd give it a D, based purely on effort.

[sniffa]

44. Too generous

:rofl:

[Hutzpa]

80. I thought so too

:rofl:

[thevoiceofreason]

2. Yesterday's appraoch

Barack is blowing past this. Look around.

[B2G]

6. I'm glad he is.

I'm stuck on stupid evidently. I can't just "blow past it". It has me bothered. Alot.

[dkf]

22. Here read this post from Kos.

It cheered me up a lot.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/15/203514/051/358/477634

[ginnyinWI]

52. that's the one that cheered me up.

I came online and that was the first one I read. (yes I like to check dkos first a lot of days!)

[dkf]

66. If the Hillary people are boycotting, it must be kind of peaceful there.

:)

[Usrename]

55. He doesn't have a glass jaw, that's for sure.

I'm impressed, but I've been told that I am very easily impressed.

[Window]

84. That gave me chills.

That man is something else.:thumbsup:

[FrenchieCat]

43. Let me help you be bothered just a bit more......

here's some video info on the church told by one of the most radical member apart from Rev. Wright: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-JNYmqkbMk&feature=related

Bio - http://www.answers.com/topic/jeremiah-wright
(including 3 commendation from LBJ)

This is Jeremiah’s America - The one he saw as a young man

http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/Black%20civil%20rights%20demonstrator%20attacked%20by%20a%20dog%20in%20Birmingham,%20Alabama%201963_jpg.jpg

http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/Black%20civil%20rights%20demonstrators%20attacked%20by%20police%20water%20hose_%20Birmingham,%20Alabama%20May%201963_jpg.jpg

http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/March%20on%20Washington%20for%20civil%20rights,%20August%201963_jpg.jpg









http://negroartist.com/civil%20rights%20imagery/images/March%20on%20Washington_%20Over%20250,000%20Gather%20in%20Washington%20in%20August,%201963%20Urging%20Support%20for%20pending%20Civil%20Rights%20Legislation_jpg.jpg


Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.

[lligrd]

56. What A Great Collection Of Photos - Thanks

Can't imagine what "those people" ar so upset about. How dare they be angry. :sarcasm:

[Raejeanowl]

79. Same America I Remember As A Young While Girl

Maybe some are still angry because nothing at all has changed in 45 years. :sarcasm:

[question everything]

70. Oh, no. We are not playing the race card here

So black people should vote for Obama because of the horrific treatment that blacks have been suffering in this country. And whites should, too, to atone for these atrocities.

Are these photos part of Obama's campaign literature? Because this is the best way to mobilize blacks to vote for him. Bleeding heart whites, too.

[boppers]

72. It helps to understand somebody's perspective...

..before trying to refuse them a right to have it, or speak it.

Want to know why Wright's tone is so sharp? Because his life was like this.

Want to know why Obama can speak of reconciliation? Because a generation before him fought to be heard, and seated at the same table (literally). That generation was Wright's generation.

As far as "atone", I dunno where you get that. I haven't done anything to atone for, but I know some of my grandparents sure as heck did.

[LisaL]

7. Denail ain't just the river in Egypt.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. We all know that "Denail" river

lame

[JoFerret]

8. The GOP has a nasty surprise for you.

.

[ClassWarrior]

14. So what's new? At least we FINALLY have a candidate who's prepared...

...to stand up to them. And who said as much on Countdown last night.

NGU.

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[B2G]

13. Troll?

Why? For stating what I'm feeling?

[Joe the Revelator]

15. For using the same script that Hillary supporters have been using all week

You're not fooling anyone.

[B2G]

17. I'm not a Hillary supporter.

Not by a longshot.

[Joe the Revelator]

25. Bullshit. You're using the same talking points her people have been using all week

under the guise that you're an Obama supporter with "a heavy heart".

[B2G]

29. I don't give a shit if you believe me or not

I am NOT a Clinton supporter.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. You're not an Obama supporter either.

[woolldog]

74. stop assuming that everyone who is having second thoughts is a troll

I've talked to a number of people who feel the same way, and managed to explain why it wasn't an important issue and this pastor isn't representative of Obama.

The OP isn't unique here. It's much more useful to answer her questions than to accuse her of being a troll, don't you think? Even if she is a troll, someone else genuinely thinking the same thing may benefit from your post...

[ginchinchili]

37. It's sad that so many of Obama's supporters have to make excuses.

What's so difficult about accepting this poster at her or his word. Everyone's either ignorant, a troll, promoting GOP talking points, racist, anything so you don't have to deal with the many legitimate concerns people have about Barack Obama. Who wants to have to put up with 4 years of that? Not me.

[JohnnyLib2]

50. It's GD-P. Guilty until proven innocent.

Good luck with that. :shrug: :hi:

[JeffR]

24. I may be stupid, but I don't think this is a troll at all

I think this is a good but worried Democrat. There's little need for worry, but there's worry out there just the same. We need to assuage it, because it really isn't justified. But there are misgivings out there about Obama, and it's time to help people get over those misgivings.

[Joe the Revelator]

26. Its the exact same thread thats been made 30 times in the last 48 hours

[B2G]

36. If it's a dupe

I apologize. I'm not here 24 by 7, but then it does make me feel somewhat better to know I'm not the only one feeling like this.

[Joe the Revelator]

42. Sure thing buddy.

Once again, thanks for your concern.

[JeffR]

45. It's similar to a lot of egregious, objectional crap, but it's not identical

maybe I'm too trusting.

[B2G]

57. I should know better

than to post what I'm feeling in this forum. It's like the Civil War in here.

I like Obama. I love his message, his charisma, his youth, his passion and his intellect.

I want unity, not division. I couldn't care less if I'm branded as not being "progressive" because I don't like what Wright has said. Obama evidently doesn't either, because he's going out of his way to distance himself from him. What I want to know is which is it? Does he not agree or is he saying he doesn't agree because it will cost him votes if he says he does?

Is that such a wrong question to ask??

[JeffR]

59. Since I back Obama with some reservations

I can only say I think your questions are fair enough. But I think this Wright issue is of minor importance for the course of the primaries, and for the GE.

It is tetchy as hell in here recently, but you have to let a lot of it ride. Especially if you're a former Kucinich supporter, for example. Otherwise your brain may explode without warning.

[B2G]

60. Lol

Quite the visual.


Thanks. :-)

[JeffR]

62. de nada

Hang in there. It's a weird time, but this is actually a great forum, much evidence to the contrary.

[Usrename]

67. The most important thing I've noticed is the temporal shift.

Obama claims that his 20-year relationship with this guy is much different than what we get with our watching three minutes of video.

I don't understand why it's all that difficult to accept. Many people say nothing but good things about Rev Wright.

I personally don't find the reverends rants all that special, I can get worked up a lot more than he was. But even if you do find it troubling in some way, you must realize that the guy hasn't been on a constant rant for the last 20 years.

[writes3000]

68. Obama has been consistent on these issues for 10 years. (Long)

Look at the 2004 convention. Look at speeches he gave before that. He's been absolutely consistent.

Now, speaking as a black man, I've been hesitant to post this here but what the hell.

Here's the truth: Many, many politicians stay close to the black church because it's the most direct path to get to black voters. Look across the Democratic party and you see politicians who proclaim their deep, devotion and love of God, as they head into photo-ops in black churches. And for the most part, what do those politicians do? They cater and woo. They don't stand up and contradict. They LISTEN. They listen because they know the pain and anger in the black community is deep. And they know that it takes a lot to win their trust.

Now, I don't think what Barack was doing at this church was solely political. But I do think he was there to primarily listen. To listen to what that black community thought and felt. And I suspect those feelings shaped Obama's current passion to HEAL this country's race relations. I also honestly think he remained loyal to the church that brought him to Christianity. I suspect he didn't stand up in the pews and fight with Wright, in part, because he felt that this was a place of worship rather than the floor of a political debate. And when I look at all of the good work this church has done - how dedicated they've been to helping the poor and homeless, I can see why Barack stayed.

But here's my big point. Barack has been speaking out and standing up for these issues for over a decade. And when he is asked to speak at a church, Barack tells him exactly his views. He speaks about the need to come together. He speaks about unity over anger. He chides the black community for allowing homophobia to effect their treatment of fellow citizens.

And guess what? Wright DIDN'T kick Obama out of the church. In fact, he was proud of him. That tells me that Barack's views are in fact much closer to Wright than the media portrays. Because Obama has had an audience of hundreds of thousands of people. He has reached far beyond what Wright has done or said. If Obama's message is truthfully so antithetical to Wright's, then Wright would have spoken out against him.

The black community's anger is built on the belief that the deck in America is permanently stacked against them.

BARACK OBAMA'S RISE IS UNDENIABLE PROOF THAT THOSE VIEWS ARE QUITE LIKELY WRONG. Do you know how big that is?

Barack Obama has been consistent for 10 years. I am a black man myself. I have chided one of my parents for their racism. And there have been times when I've let my actions say everything about where I stand.

I don't want to be judged exclusively by my parents of my friends. I want to be judged on my accomplishments, my actions and my character.

When I judge Barack Obama by those measures, he remains a fantastic, healing, dynamic human being. And this Presidential race has the ability to heal a nation.

[angie_love]

10. oh please.

:eyes:

[JeffR]

12. Obama has laid out a pretty clear picture of how he sees America

and if an element of Pastor Wright's views helped influence that, my question is why shouldn't they, given the reality of America? I grew up in the Deep South during the Civil Rights era. As the white child of very liberal parents, I knew what was at stake in the struggle, even as the violence spilled over into my barely-integrated junior high and the streets of downtown Savannah.

The divides are deep, and have been largely papered over for a while, but they can be overcome. It's time now. I don't believe Obama will necessarily be an exceptional president, but he will be a good, diligent and transformative one.

[Johnny__Motown]

16. there is an "R" in country, bringing your county together should be easier

[ClassWarrior]

18. So what did Pastor Wright say that's wrong?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

32. No answer?? You claim to be concerned about Obama believing...

...what Pastor Wright said. So what did Pastor Wright say that's not to be believed?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

46. Still no answer? That's telling.

NGU.

[Drachasor]

19. You need to keep Wright on context

He grew up with segregation and rampant racism all over the place. Wright is justifiably angry over how our society has treated the less fortunate.

Also, bear in mind that only TWO speeches are the subject of this debate. It isn't representative of Wright's typical speech, though I am sure Wright could get angry at times at how our society displayed inaction regarding taking care of the poor and the like.

Beyond that, it is quite easy to have a friend or even a mentor with whom you have some stark disagreements. Obama doesn't believe being angry is helpful, and instead takes the much more pragmatic approach of working together with as many people as possible to solve problems.

[bilgewaterbill]

20. Another "concerned" supporter? Puhleeeze!!

[bhikkhu]

21. Read the bible - the book of prophets

at least then you would know what Wright was talking about. I am told it can cure heartsickness as well, but I am not prone myself.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

23. DEAR GOD WHAT ABOUT THE WHITE PEOPLEZ??!!??1?!ELEVEN

[Cha]

51. Oh the unhumanity! Or as said on snl

tonight.. " I'm blacker than Barack, but Barack needs to stay away from that preacher cause he's too black. LOL "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5103701#5103827

[Swamp Rat]

30. Ok, then I suggest you stay out of Rev. Wright's church and thousands of others like it.

What's the big deal?

There have always been 'fire and brimstone' preachers as long as I can remember.

[GarbagemanLB]

31. I'm ashamed to have you as a fellow Bears fan. Toughen up and face reality: Obama gained endorsement

s AND delegates today. He is doing awesome and handling the situation well.

[B2G]

39. I'll live with that

somehow.

[BenDavid]

34. well, when you tell folks you are holier then thou, and then you

get caught being a reprobate then all the good comes crashing down. Obama and michelle out there telling folks they all had holes in their souls and telling them all they were the only ones that good heal that hole in the soul.

First it is the underground story that is was obama and his surrogates and a willing whoremedia that played the race card in january and up until the south carolina primary. The deal was to play it and not get caught doing it and BLAMCE HILLARY CLINTON.....More and more evidence is appearing becasue most of these reporters love to run their lips about how they might have destroyed HRC's bid for the nomination.....

Second, it is his lying about not being at any of the sermons of the most high preacher wright when he accused white america of all ills befallen on the black community. It was america's fault that caused 9 11. It is the crowd behind and in front of the preacher man and their shouting and clapping and hand waving all in agreement the man was telling them the truth or the gospel accrding to preacher wright. One should be worried about this and it is hard to believe that obama could not have been influenced by the preachers words over these 18 to 20 years he has heard this man talk......

If oama falls then it is obama that fell from grace of his own doing and not any of his supporters....

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[jeffrey_X]

35. The good thing about this..it's a barometer. We know where we stand with dixiecrats

and republicans. This country really needs 4 parties.

[TwilightGardener]

38. Yeah, last year he was too white, then he was Muslim, now he's

too black and hates whitey. Jesus, get a fucking grip.

[frazzled]

40. "Twelve years of scrutiny"

That is what the Chicago Tribune (a Republican paper, by the way, but as Katrina van den Heuvel called them, honest conservatives) said in their editorial page today after sitting down with 13 of their editorial board members to grill Obama for more than an hour and a half,on Friday, and at the end of it all, reaffirming their endorsement of him:

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,2616801.story

Now you try to apply this same scrutiny and judgment when wringing your hands about those twenty years in church that you are imagining in your head. Think about the newspapers in Chicago that have been following every personal and legislative act of this man for twelve years. Think of all the public information that is known about him (and about the Rezko case and about Trinity UCC). Think about Obama's legislative career, both in Illinois and the US Senate. Think about his classes in constitutional law at the University of Chicago. Do you see in any of this the actions or thoughts of a radical, anti-white, separatist hateful individual. If you can find one thing in his personal or public life -- besides what you are imagining in your own head that he heard in the pews -- then please state it here.

As I have said in many threads, Jimmy Carter taught Sunday School every week in a church in Plains, Georgia, that literally VOTED to prevent African Americans from being members. He remained in that church for decades--and left the Southern Baptist Convention only 30 years later, in 2001. Can you say that Jimmy Carter was a racist segregationist? (I defy you to.) Think about that, too.

[meow mix]

41. a true progressive would recognize much of what wright says is truth.

your post is bs

unless you havent even listened, then its ignorant as well.

[ginchinchili]

49. A true progressive would recognize divisive rhetoric.

However, I guess Obama is not a true progressive in you opinion, since he's denounced the progressive sermons of Rev. Wright. Or is he lying just to get elected? Which is it?

[meow mix]

61. only rhetoric to you, important to others. and its only divisive to non-progressives.

since they cant recognize truth.

[Indiana_Dem]

47. Look at it from my viewpoint--

I went to a pentecostal church for 5 years every chance I could get and learned everything I could about Christianity from that viewpoint. I became a born-again Christian and still consider myself a born-again Christian but don't attend church anymore. I never agreed with everything the pastor nor the church espoused. I read the Word myself and let it speak to me, not any charismatic leader. I am still pro-choice for my own reasons that I've concluded after reading the bible. I still accept GLBT and love them as an individual no matter what. I'm adamantly for separation of church and state. There are many things concerning church doctrine that I don't embrace. If people are too sheepish as to believe and follow everything their pastor, religious leader, or church doctrine says, then it's just sad. The bible even says not to follow man (meaning religious leaders, specifically).

There will be no perfect church nor a perfect church leader. However, if Obama, as a political and public figure did not attend any church at all, he would be equally condemned for that, too. The media and the judgemental are eager to spot any blemish. They want none other than a God to run for political office which is pretty much impossible.

If you keep this perspective, it won't bother you as much. I'm not letting it bother me. If it affects his campaign, then our society is too far gone afterall.

[BlackVelvet04]

53. I'm truly sorry you feel personal anguish over the situation....

but I can't buy that someone has a personal mentor for 20 years and listens to him preach for 20 years if he doesn't fundamentally agree with that person. I know I wouldn't.

Words don't do it....bush ran on the platform of being a uniter and a man of change.

[loveangelc]

54. im so sick of this issue. I think most people will be too to even care what he says if its overdone

as much as it is on here...

[lligrd]

58. You Physically Ache Because A Preacher Dares To Tell The

truth about how people have been treated? I wonder if you ache when you read your history book.

[billbuckhead]

64. And shows unbelievable sexism for an alleged "Christian"

[candice]

63. Blame Axelrod who was repackaging his Patrick campaign of "hope" & "inspiration"

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/04/16/patrick_obama_campaigns_share_language_of_hope/

You were being marketed to....Axelrod, Obama and Patrick's campaign manager, gets lots of money.

Obama's lies about not taking lobbyists' monies were one of the first clues that there is something missing in the man. Especially since it is so easy to fact check him and prove him a liar if he does (he has ten federally registered bundlers to Hillary's 20) and takes money not from the lobbyist but from his wife, associates, contacts, etc. Then he condemns his opponent for taking lobbysists' money and claims not to take "one dime." (Kind of like Spitzer going after prostitution rings?)

Also, seems Barack had a bit more to do with Rezko than he admitted to us on TV (five hours max):


In an exclusive interview with the Chicago Sun-Times' Abdon M. Pallasch, Obama said "he and his wife Michelle had 'two or three dinners' with indicted businessman Tony Rezko and his wife over the years and made one day trip to the Rezkos’ home in Lake Geneva" and that Rezko was not his "'largest fund-raiser but a significant fund-raiser' on his campaign for U.S. Senate."

But that doesn't explain why he met with Rezko for the walk-through of his new home and why this near-stranger Rezko who was bankrupt would allow his wife to buy the side lot so Obama could purchase his faux Georgian mansion.

We seem to get a little bit of information at a time. The thing about Obama is that the more I find out about him, the less I like him. That is not positive for someone who is asking for votes.

My mother, a very active liberal Dem all of her life, was turned off when Obama said he'd hire the expertise to make up for his lack of experience for the job. We've seen how wonderful that was with W. And now we really need a hard worker to clean up the mess.

My mother found Obama's insertion of race into the campaign so upsetting in creating racial dissent (she lives in a Red state with a predominately black Democratic Party) that she was going to vote for McCain. I talked her out of that for the sake of the Supreme Court, but it will be hard to vote for someone whom I don't respect in the least and who isn't qualified for the job. I might forget to mail in my ballot.

Wonder what race card the Obama campaign has planned for North Carolina? If a politician claims to be a "uniter not a divider," it is best to run away asap.

[hfojvt]

69. I am not sure about your icon

You should know that there is a segment of America which will ALWAYS hate the Bears. Especially the 1986 Bears, the most disgustingly arrogant team ever.

An exception is made for Walter Payton of course, and for the forgotten fullback who used to plough big holes for him. What was his name? Cullen Bryant?

[woolldog]

71. B2G, Obama is not a radical or a black nationalist.

I don't see it as so extraordinary that he could disagree with Wright's political views and still get something valuable from his friendship with him spiritually, enough so that he would continue the relationship.

Wright and his career is so much more than just the 10 second sound-bites that are being replayed over and over again in the media. This, for example, is the sermon that inspired Obama's second book: Audacity of Hope Sermon I,Audacity of Hope Sermon II. Don't assume that Wright is simply the caricature the media has made of him. Don't assume that he had nothing of value to offer Obama spiritually.

Remember a theme in Obama's life has been living in between two different worlds, black and white, a black man raised by a white woman and white grandparents--which I think built in him a unique perspective of understanding the anger in the black community over social justice issues without himself taking that path. A liberal progressive, teaching at the most conservative law school in the country (University of Chicago), working with people whom he fundamentally disagreed with on issues of law and policy, and yet he was the most popular professor there. Law students gave Obama big thumbs Up, The Obama I know, Professor Obama and Me. A Democratic Senator who sought to work with Republicans like Lugar and Coburn, with whom he had little in common. A Democratic candidate willing to say that Reagan may have had some good ideas.

In short, this is someone who seems capable disagreeing with people in a fundamental way, without throwing them under the bu, of seeing some good in people whom he vehemently disagrees with.

[Rydz777]

73. Nobody is going to bring this country together - not Obama,

not Hillary, not McPain. We're fractured, maybe beyond repair, and that probably means we're washed up. If we have a recession, depression, stagflation, hyper-inflation, we'll be at each others' throats with a vengeance. Whoever gets elected President this year has every chance of leaving office in four years hated and despised.

Just one data point: in 2011, in the middle of the next Administration, Social Security goes into the red, and that's just the tip of the bad news. There is no possibility that the Republican Party can or will fix anything. The Democratic Party might give it a good try, but it is going to look like Sisyphus pushing his rock up the hill.

[Milo_Bloom]

75. You're kidding, right?

Here is why I don't believe the post is representative of true feelings.


"How could he sit in that church for 20 years and listen to the things Wright said and not believe any of it? "

This line assumes that Wright said these things all the time, which doesn't compute with the facts. After 20 years of Sermons and speeches, probably close to 2000 in all, they have managed to dig up... what... 4 instances of inflamatory language? So 0.2% of the time he may have said something questionable and that is supposed to define Obama's entire time at this Church? What about the other 99.8%?

If you REALLY stopped to think about it, you would realize that these very few moments you are seeing is not the majority of what he said or represented (or else there would be a heck of a lot more of it going around, instead of 2 clips shown over and over).


I've had some excellent teachers and mentors in my life... none of which I agreed with even 90% of the time. Some of whom said some pretty lame stuff. I have incredibly close friends who hold prejudices, but I let it go b/c of the 80% of the time they are really good people. I have had family members who do not like a particular group of people, simply based on their country of origin and although sometimes I heard them say "Oh they are X... I don't like X", I didn't stop listening to them on the things that I believe in, nor did I stop seeking advice from them on areas where I found their input valuable.

So stop making it sound like all this church did was damn America and support black on white violence while Obama sat there and ate it up, b/c that is completely dishonest and you know it.

[rodeodance]

76. BO knew---he just did nothing. Until the press brought it up. Yes, How could he!

,,,,,How could he sit in that church for 20 years and listen to the things Wright said and not believe any of it? I want so much to believe that he could be the leader that represented all of us, not just afew segments. The one who could bring us together, not dwell on our differences.

[barack the house]

77. He's half WHITE of courese he disagees with wright we just dont always hun friends...

A few sound bites of wright being controversail doesnt say his whole character. Isn't there the free speech for god hates f*** but not for wright eh. Evenin his church he has given speeches of unity...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5daX7T_1bM

[Hawkeye-X]

81. Yet another concern troll.

:boring:

[RiverStone]

82. This may help you feel better...

I trust Obama can discern what he took to heart and what he did not --- listening to Wright.

I prefer to listen to the man --- not his preacher.

Check this out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5098402

[Pushed To The Left]

83. Don't let the right wing "Hannitize" you!

They are showing their fear of Obama with this desperate attack on him. Obama has already stated that he doesn't agree with this pastor's views, but that will not stop Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest of them from playing Jeremiah Wright tapes 24/7. They will do this no matter what Obama says. This story is a creation of right-wing radio and should be treated as such.

[CreekDog]

85. that assumes that those soundbites were representative of 20 years

i'm not so sure.

second, those are soundbites, taken out of context, you might be able to find me playing devil's advocate denying the holocaust as part of some larger argument.

[krkaufman]

89. Well, given Obama's actual record and what *he* specifically says ...

... it's very possible that Obama feels Rev. Wright has the right to express himself in his sermons as he sees fit, and also valued Wright's commitment to the community.