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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:19 PM
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Should we freak out- Ramussen Bush 48% Kerry 44%?
It has been climbing for a while. I am worried.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:21 PM
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1. don't worry. some polls aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:23 PM
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2. Polls are WAY Overrated in April
We have 27 weeks until the election. Bush leading by 4 at this stage means NOTHING.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:24 PM
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3. Country's is still polorized and it's been all 90% Bu$h in the
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 06:25 PM by fearnobush
Media. I would not worry yet, but Kerry needs to spend his money on his own really nasty negative ad run. The media are against him too, so it is also up to us to tell everyone we come in contact with why John Kerry is our guy. Personalize it, don't just say Bush sucks. Say, things like I spent way too many years working 50hrs a week with no health coverage, thats why I will vote Kerry, He cares more.

Also, if it helps, the FOX Freep Poll has Kerry only 1pt behind *.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:27 PM
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4. I think kerry's being a pussy, and bush's ads are working.
I too, am worried.


But just for the record, Kerry did a good job today questioning chimpy's record. He needs to do more of that, talk tough, take control of the situation.

n freakin' t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:44 PM
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7. He Needs More Fire In The Belly

I love what he says but it is monotone.
I am Kerry 100% but he needs to change his tone of voice more.
Glare more, when he hears something that is a real smear. He needs take them on! Not with that condescending smirk that Bush gives but with authority.

When you are confronted by an aggressive person and they ask you a stupid question, ALWAYS ask them a question back! Aggressively put their stupidity back on them.

Kerry is so mu h faster on his feet than Bush will ever be in life. His communication skills are excellent! He can do it!

The best speech that I have ever seen Kerry give was his big win in the Primaries! My brain is fried, was that Iowa or New Hampshire? Anyway,he was UP, he was vibrant, he was compassionate,passionate,aggressive and assertive!

Go get um JK. We have a WH to move you into in January 05!

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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:48 PM
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9. I think he needs to get Clark for VP and put an end to
this "weak on defense" bullshit.

this "troubling" voting record.

Can you imagine Clark and Cheney in a debate??? shit.



n/t
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:56 PM
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12. I agree with you. I think Clark would put an end to this n\t
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:37 PM
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21. Clark Now!!!!!

He is the only one that can stand up to this bunch of creeps!

As much as I like Edwards, he would be toast in 2 minutes when Rove gets through with him.

Clark knows the enemy when he sees it and the enemy is in our own country. The enemy is BUSH !!!

Kerry, please beg CLARK to run with you. Please DON'T pick Gephardt!!
You need a skilled soldier because we are in a War in Iraq and a War with the Regime in the WH.

I have heard that Kerry would never pick Clark because Clark outranks him. Give me a break! If Kerry can't handle the General he could not take on a Republican Congress.

Bring it On General
Bring it ON!!!!!!
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 03:25 PM
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36. Clark knows the art of war.
With all of Chimp's manipulative successes it is absolutely clear that those bozo's don't know how to fight and win a war. That is the very weakness that Kerry must exploit, and Clark may teach him a thing or two.

http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:56 PM
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13. I am beginning to think you are right
What would a Clark VP choice mean?

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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:00 PM
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16. It would bring another unquestionably brilliant,
decorated military man, diplomat, and scholar with CREDIBILITY that none of the repukes have-into the debate. He would EAT all the BushCO chickenhaws alive, while Kerry could focus on campaigning, and talking about domestic issues.

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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:08 PM
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19. Plus they'd have to contend with 2 war heroes!
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:09 PM
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24. Cleland is a better choice than Clark
But I agree about the two war heros thing. Just like Clinton and Gore--a pick to compliment your strength.
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Failure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:53 PM
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25. I love max cleland...never though about him as VP though...
n/t
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 03:29 PM
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37. A major reason is that we don't need two candidates with
Senate voting records for the Republicans to lie about. The worst thing they can say about Clark is that he is a FOB and that he was fired as Chair of the Joint Chiefs. Without knowing the specifics of why he lost his command there isn't much there for the Republicans to attack.

Also, each and every evaluation of Clark (while he was at a rank to still get them) was stellar. Compare that to Cheney's military evaluations....nevermind, how about Chimps....Oh yeah.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 08:24 PM
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40. Cleland
I like Cleland too but I don't see how he would be a better choice than Clark, after he wasn't re-elected for the Senate..
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:11 AM
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32. It would mean the republicans endlessly playing tape
of Clark praising Bushco.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 03:30 PM
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38. Well, if that's the worst thing they can do then Clark is a winner.
Also it would give Kerry Oklahoma and (maybe) Arkansas.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:53 PM
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29. good choice.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:32 PM
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5. Just makes me work harder at getting Kerry elected, and have you seen
this picture?


What you are seeing is 1,150,000 people that are actively working to make sure that Bu$h does not get 4 more years in office.

Polls can be easily rigged to reflect the desires of pollsters. No one rigged that march yesterday.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:42 PM
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6. That result is abysmal for a sitting pResident in April.
Edited on Mon Apr-26-04 06:43 PM by tritsofme
nt
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:01 PM
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17. Thank you!!!
I'm glad some people are saying this.

The news is that Kerry is this close in April. Incumbents who don't face primary challenges should have double-digit leads prior to the challenger pulling out his big guns. The fact Bush doesn't is a negative for him.

And Bush's job approval rating, despite rising a bit in April, is still atrocious for a President in an election year.

I just wish people would stop and think a minute about what it means for Bush to be spending money on such a massive scale at this point in the campaign. He's not doing that because things are going well. He's doing that because there are so many negatives currently floating around him that he's doing damage control.

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CityDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:44 PM
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8. Too early at this point
But, if the polls begin to show Kerry 10-15 points behind, he is toast.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:58 PM
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15.  very toasty, but Id be worried when Bush is 5% or 6% ahead..
...for an extended run. That shows a break in the general bouncyness in that poll.
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jab105 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:50 PM
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10. Yes, we need to get worried and we need to get BUSY!!
Bush is defining the issues, attacking Kerry when there should be an all out assault on Bush with what he has done to the country...Kerry has not brought up one thing, Bush has brought everything up...this bullshit about the medals is the last straw for me...I'm furious, furious at Kerry's advisers...furious at him...it's not the time to be nice, its the time to make charges, Bush and his team are cruel and they take no prisoners...

Kerry better learn that quick, or else we WILL have 4 more years of Bush...

Dont shut this out, these polls have been climbing for a month now, a definite trend...we cant close our eyes put our hands over our ears and scream "la la la" at the top of our lungs any more to make it go away...if this trend continues Kerry will not win...Kerry needs to make a big change and fast!!

He is being very well defined as a waffler...and now they are using Vietnam against him...time to go after Bush, this is ridiculous!
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Catt03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:03 PM
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18. Polling Numbers are important now
People are looking Kerry over. The first thing they hear, like this latest ad and Cheney's speech played non stop, will stay with voters.

It needs to be addressed and yes...Kerry needs to get tough. Hold up those Bush records of being AWOL; hold up those records of failed corporations and daily show those caskets coming home.

Get this disaster of Bush out of here.

I have another question. We bitch about this everyday, what action are we going to take? If there are 143,000 members on DU....why are we not using this?
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:56 PM
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11. well..its a tracking poll and has been bouncing up & down...
....if you look at the long term numbers there are bumps up and down on that poll...hovering around a mean. I think it pretty much shows how close things are. Bush might be up now, but will drop again, too, so...expect this up & down bouncing....
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boneygrey Donating Member (651 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 06:58 PM
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14. Rasmussen
Is not a good poll. The calls are automated, so you may have a 10 year old responding.
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:24 PM
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20. I didn't know that- thank you! n\t
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LabMonkey Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 07:49 PM
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22. Yes
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

Rasmussen (4/22-4/24) 48% 44% - Bush +4
Marist (4/20-23) 47% 43% 5% Bush +4
Fox News/Op Dyn (4/21-22) 42% 40% 2% Bush +2
TIPP/IBD (4/14-4/19) 44% 40% 4% Bush +4
CNN/Gallup/USAT (4/16-4/18) 50% 44% 4% Bush +6
ABC News/WP (4/15-4/18) 48% 43% 6% Bush +5
Zogby (4/15-4/17) 44.7% 45.3% 3% Kerry +0.6


This isnt going to be popular ok..........

Kerry needs to start taking risks and LEAD.
Do not confuse LEADS with wisdom, though both can go together.
Bush LEADS. Kerry makes
too many wishy washy conflicting answers.
honestly its hard to get a yes or no out of him sometimes.
He needs to take stands. Quit being scared of alienating
swing voters, i.e. if hes for gay marriage, SAY SO, not
oh yes I am but let the states decide. If he wants us out
of Iraq, SAY SO, not oh well we should let the UN help us,
or I would have done it differently.
That is NOT going to sell.
He cant get away with things like Clinton could.
He is making a fatal flaw. He is campaigning as
President of the Democrats, not the U.S.
He needs to reach out, and quit bashing Bush.
He will not change ONE mind that way. He is after
Joe and Jane sixpacks vote now, and if hes not
careful he may lose them permanatly if he hasnt already.

Sorry, everyone can blow me off or rip me a new
one for this but what do you want to hear? happy sunshine
or what I think the problem is, because there clearly IS
a problem. If Im wrong, then what do you all think the problem is?
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 09:08 PM
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23. No last September:
Approximations of various polls:

Dean 35%
Lieberman 20%
Gephardt 15%
Kerry 12%
Edwards 7%
Graham 3%
Sharpton/Kucinich 2 each.

Look who won the primary from way farther behind. The elections along way off...nothing to worry about. Kerry's running a very smart campaign and wisely minimizing Bush's money advantage.
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TheStateChief Donating Member (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:21 PM
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27. I agree with you
and I think it is important that people not get too dejected by bad polls or too elated by the good ones. But Kerry is being driven off-message. This week was supposed to be Kerry's week to focus on the economy and instead he's going to spend it talking about the difference between medals and ribbons. I agree with you that Kerry needs to take some risks, throw the ball long and put some points on the board. I've said that on other threads, but it is true - the Kerry campaign seems content to only be behind five points instead of doing the things they need to do to get the impressions that Bushco is planting from taking root. At some point it is going to be too late to reverse those impressions. We need to go on offense, get the lead, and stay on offense.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:04 AM
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31. Hi LabMonkey!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 10:07 PM
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26. Fear over Iraq and terror.
When things get scary the children cling to daddy's pant leg. Bushco knows the formula and exploits it to the hilt. Same effect as 9-11 on a different scale.
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CharlieBakerAble Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-26-04 11:31 PM
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28. Kerry just needs a bigger shift to the right is all
The left base will follow since ABB is the rallying cry this cycle.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 12:05 PM
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34. Yeah, whatever.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:12 AM
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30. it is too early to panic
but according to most polls Bush is making a comeback and Kerry needs to get more agressive.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:54 AM
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33. If the average of Bush's lead
in most polls is over 50 then I believe there is some reason to worry.

However, at this point, I don't think it's worth freaking out about.
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reel progressive Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:26 PM
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35. Yes
The fact Bush is still leading is very alarming.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:25 PM
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39. we should always be wary, but remember
the polls in 2000 had shrub taking the popular vote, and we all know how that came out
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