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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:06 AM
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Where do Hillary & Obama stand on withdrawing from Iraq?
I know Samantha Power said that whatever he proposed would not necessarily be the case once he was actually president... which is obvious, but kind of a wake up call
to promises vs. reality.

But what are Hillary and Obama's stated plans for Iraq?
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:07 AM
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1. Google
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:08 AM
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2. I'm trying to start a discussion about an actual issue, but thanks for the smart-ass response.
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ossman Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:10 AM
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3. Who killed JFK? Discuss...
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:11 AM
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5. Yes, that was my other thread in GD a few weeks ago... go post in it.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:10 AM
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4. Both are irrelevant without some serious planning.
That is the byline that gets left out. If neither promises anything, it is because the generals in the field get there say, the pentagon gets its say, and we go from their. No candidate or armchair general gives marching orders without some serious planning on the ground, and both candidates know that.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:12 AM
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6. True, but it would be nice to know what they would like to do. And if we get some
promises we can try to hold them to those - or at least have 20,000 threads about what a disappointment they are as president.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:38 AM
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14. Personally I am more interested in determined principles
and I think both candidates have them. An if they don't, economic realities will soon endow them, anyway. But as far as promises, again, you don't screw the guys who are there on the ground. Let the generals and so forth determine what is feasible.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:50 AM
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15. Slight interruption for a nit pik: Their vs There
Their: belonging to, is owned by, as in: ...the generals get 'their' say.
There: a place or a point, as in: ...we go on from 'there'.

Sorry, I suck bad at spelling and quite often my grammar is little better, a partially retarded third grader could beat me up with punctuations but I gots the handle on the their vs there controversy. Ok you can get back to the debate... oh and btw: as I ghost through this thread I find myself in agreement with you so far too.

chknltl: :dunce: small of stature, wide of vision, noticer of things trivial and a fellow progressive.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:06 AM
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16. Well taken. Usually I am a stickler for spelling as well.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:16 AM
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7. Obama Wants To Withdraw Sooner nt
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:17 AM
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8. Link? Facts?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 02:18 AM by jlake
I'm asking because Obama supporters keep saying that, but from what I have actually heard from the campaigns the opposite seems true.
Though neither will actually know until they are in office.

So maybe it's a case of who is the bigger liar willing to say anything to win.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:29 AM
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10. You Still Haven't Read Their Positions? Here You Go.

Bringing Our Troops Home
Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

Securing Stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home. As president, Hillary would focus American aid efforts during our redeployment on stabilizing Iraq, not propping up the Iraqi government. She would direct aid to the entities -- whether governmental or non-governmental -- most likely to get it into the hands of the Iraqi people. She would also support the appointment of a high level U.N. representative -- similar to those appointed in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo -- to help broker peace among the parties in Iraq.

A New Intensive Diplomatic Initiative in the Region. In her first days in office, Hillary would convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The- mission of this group would be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq. It would have three specific goals:

Non-interference. Working with the U.N. representative, the group would work to convince Iraq's neighbors to refrain from getting involved in the civil war.
Mediation. The group would attempt to mediate among the different sectarian groups in Iraq with the goal of attaining compromises on fundamental points of disputes.
Reconstruction funding. The members of the group would hold themselves and other countries to their past pledges to provide funding to Iraq and will encourage additional contributions to meet Iraq's extensive needs.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/


I don't think either of them is lying. These are their plans given what they know today. I hardly think calling our candidates liars is helpful.


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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:31 AM
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11. Making promises that they know they may not be able to keep comes pretty
close to lying.

But as you posted, their "goal" positions are what is important.
Thank you!
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:33 AM
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12. I Didn't See Either Making Promises
just plans.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:35 AM
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13. Obama's comes pretty close to a promise: "he will have all troops out w/i 16 months"
Hillary's is more parsed and just a "plan"..... both have their advantages and disadvantages.
Obama's sounds better, but Hillary's is probably more likely to be reality under either of them as CiC.
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greyshade Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:23 AM
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9. Obama is philosphically dedicated to getting out
I can't source the quote, but I remember him saying that it wasn't just about getting out of Iraq, but about changing the whole mind-set that even got us there in the first place. This encourages me. It's not just that it was a tactical blunder; it came out of an insane foreign policy that is very different than Obama's.

I am ashamed at Senator Clinton for attacking Obama over Samantha Power's statements, and am getting really tired of her increasingly Rove-like approach to the campaign.

That aside, if elected president, I believe that either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton would sit down with the Joint Chiefs within the first few weeks in office and make a plan for withdrawal that maximized safety for our forces and stability for Iraq. If Senator McCain were elected, we'd get a third Bush term, with lots of excuses and an occupation that drags out for years and years.

That's one reason why, even though I caucused for Obama, I will support Clinton if she gets the nomination.

Finally, in the campaign's own words from Obama's web site:

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/#bring-home
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:50 AM
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17. Same place:
as quickly as reasonably possible.

Its as much as we can ask.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:33 PM
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18. The way I see it, they seem to do what the sheeple want
Back in 2003, the sheeple wanted to kick their ass, take their gas.
In 2008 the sheeple want to cut and run, but also want victory.
I would expect them to cut and run as soon as they can pass withdrawing as victory.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:00 PM
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19. hillary gave a speech yesterday --on Iraq--Here:




March 17, 2008 IRAQ: Hillary's Remarks at The George Washingon University (transcript)

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=6553


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5120325, a plan
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 AM

3/17/2008

Hillary Clinton: Ready to End the War in Iraq

Today, in a major speech ahead of the five year anniversary of the start of the Iraq war, Hillary Clinton outlined new proposals that build on her three-part plan to end the war responsibly. Five years after the start of the war, we have come to a crossroads. The war has sapped our military and economic strength, damaged U.S. national security, taken the lives of almost 4,000 brave young men and women in uniform, and placed a lasting toll on the tens of thousands of wounded, many with invisible injuries like Traumatic Brain Injury and Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. The George W. Bush-John McCain strategy is to continue this failed policy. We need to end this war and bring our troops home. We need to press the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own country. We need to rebuild our alliances and enlist the international community in securing stability in Iraq and the region. To learn more about Hillary Clinton’s record on ending the war in Iraq, click here.

We need a Commander-in-Chief who is both committed to ending this war and who has the strength, experience, and leadership to do it the right way. Hillary Clinton is that candidate. As President, she will:

I. Start Bringing Our Troops Home

* Bring Our Troops Home. As President, one of Hillary's first official actions will be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She will direct them to draw up a clear, comprehensive plan for withdrawal that starts removing our troops within 60 days. The plan for withdrawal will incorporate the most effective on-the-ground strategies and tactics to move personnel and equipment efficiently out of combat zones and then out of the country, and will focus on protecting our troops and reducing the risk of attacks as they come home


* Hillary knows that as we bring our troops and contractors home, we cannot lose sight of our very real strategic interests in this region. Al Qaeda terrorist cells continue to operate in Iraq, cells that did not exist before President Bush’s failed policy. Under Hillary’s plan the United States will retain counterterrorism forces in Iraq and the region to fight al Qaeda and will not permit terrorists to have a safe haven in Iraq from which to attack the United States or its allies.


* Protecting Those Who Protect Us. As President, Hillary will ensure that our troops receive sufficient time at home between deployments to rest, reconnect with their families, and receive appropriate training for their next mission.


* Reduce Strains on Our Troops. The war is placing tremendous strain on our armed forces, courting strategic risks posed by a force that is stretched to the breaking point. As President, Hillary will adopt the recommendations of Rep. John Murtha to ensure that our Army troops have as much time at home as they have spent deployed. So for every month they spend in the field, they will be guaranteed one month here at home. Our Marines will have a similar standard appropriate for their service in the Corps. As President, Hillary will also require that the Secretary of Defense certify to the Congress full combat-brigade readiness before they are deployed.


* Assess Impact of Iraq Deployments on Readiness. In the Senate, Hillary won approval of measures to provide greater transparency about the strains on our armed forces, particularly in light of deployments in Iraq. Her amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act requires the Government Accountability Office to assess the ability of ground forces to meet the requirements of increased force levels in Iraq and Afghanistan and to identify and evaluate strategic and operational risks. As President, she will direct the Secretary of Defense to develop a readiness strategy that responds to the findings of these assessments.


* Remove Armed Private Military Contractors in Iraq. As U.S. troops begin to withdraw, we should not be leaving unaccountable, often irresponsible private military contractors to carry arms and engage in combat-oriented missions and security functions. Hillary has co-sponsored the Stop Security Outsourcing Act, which seeks to end this practice. As President, Hillary will work toward a ban on armed private military contractors providing security for diplomatic personnel and performing mission-critical functions.


* Stop Wasting Money on No-Bid Contracts. Spending on federal contracts has been the fasting-growing part of the discretionary budget over the past six years, yet has received little attention. Under this Administration, the number of no-bid contracts has more than doubled, and between 2000 and 2006, spending on these contracts has increased 121 percent to $103 billion, representing more than half of federal procurement spending. During this time, companies like Halliburton have enjoyed record profits, thanks to a 700 percent increase in taxpayer funds awarded to them. A recent Congressional report identified a wide range of contracts, running into the hundreds of billions of dollars, where federal auditors found massive overcharges, wasteful spending, and poor oversight. Hillary has proposed a measure that would create a new “point of order” against any spending bill in Fiscal 2009 that does not explicitly require a federal agency’s compliance with competitive contracting rules. As President, Hillary will work to ensure that this becomes law and that we stop wasting money on no-bid contracts.


II. Secure stability in Iraq as we Bring our Troops Home.

Greater political and economic stability means safer conditions for our departing troops and a smoother disengagement from our military’s missions across Iraq. In order to foster stability as U.S. troops begin to redeploy, Hillary will focus on political reconciliation inside Iraq and holding the Iraqi government accountable for political and economic progress. She will:

* Call Upon the United Nations to Play a Greater Role in Addressing Domestic Strife in Iraq. As President, Hillary will press the United Nations to play a central role in bringing about national accommodation in Iraq, as it did with positive results in Bosnia, East Timor, and elsewhere. Not having been a party to the mistakes of the past five years, the UN, which has already provided valuable technical assistance to Iraq, is far more likely to be viewed as a neutral, honest broker than the United States – especially when it acts on behalf of a broad coalition of concerned states and the international community. The new UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon, has indicated he is willing to play a key role in assisting the Iraqis, and Hillary will ensure that the UN envoy in Iraq has the necessary authority by obtaining the Security Council’s explicit endorsement of a strengthened UN mandate to promote reconciliation.


* Pursue an Integrated Strategy to Bring Stability to Iraq. The surge has emphasized a bottom-up strategy that has reduced violence in the short term but, in the absence of an effective national strategy, risks deepening sectarian divisions within Iraq in the long run. For example, the United States has established and armed local security elements – the Awakening in Anbar, for example, and other “Concerned Local Citizens” elsewhere – without getting the Iraqi government to live up to its agreement to integrate significant numbers of these local militias and “volunteers” into provincial police forces or the national Army. As President, Hillary will pursue a strategy that seeks to empower local leaders, but she will prioritize national accommodation, which is essential to stability. She will do this by using U.S. and international influence and assistance as leverage to press the Iraqis to reach agreement on key issues, including provincial elections, the hydrocarbon law, and on the overall nature of federalism. Hillary will press the United Nations into a central role in this effort.


* Appoint a Special Counsel to Make Reconstruction Funds Accountable. As Iraq’s oil production increases, the potential revenue accumulated from oil production should increasingly fund Iraq’s reconstruction, instead of U.S. taxpayer money. Since 2006, Iraq has earned more than $80 billion from oil, and that figure is growing rapidly. Nevertheless, since the beginning of the war, the U.S. has provided roughly the same amount of money as the Iraqi government to rebuild the country (the United States has appropriated roughly $47 billion; the government of Iraq $50 billion). Even as we send billions to Iraq while they earn billions in oil revenues, there are increasing reports that the Iraqi government is not spending its budget allocated for reconstruction. The Comptroller General of the U.S. testified that the capital expenditure rate for the central ministries in Iraq was only 7% as of November 2007. Hillary is committed to ensuring that Iraqi oil revenue is dedicated to reconstruction funding – and that the money is actually spent, so that Iraqi citizens receive basic services, such as electricity and clean drinking water, which are currently lacking for so many. As President, Hillary will appoint a special counsel to investigate where Iraq’s oil profits are going and how reconstruction funds are being spent – or not spent. She will ensure that reconstruction funds are spent wisely before providing the Iraqi government with more.


* Combat the Black Market in Oil to Dry Up Funds for the Insurgency. Corruption and stolen oil sold on the black market constitute a critical funding source for the insurgency. As President, Hillary will boost joint U.S.-Iraqi efforts to combat corruption and protect the oil supply. She will direct her Secretary of Defense to plan a nationwide U.S.-Iraqi crackdown on oil black marketers, ensuring that U.S. and Iraqi personnel have the resources and manpower necessary. This effort will be designed to disrupt lines of funding for the insurgency, to increase stability, and to reduce attacks on our troops during the withdrawal. Hillary will direct the U.S. Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction to conduct regular reports on corruption in the oil industry. She will be prepared to withhold portions of aid if the Iraqi government does not show meaningful results in its anti-corruption efforts. Finally, Hillary will double the funding for oil pipeline exclusion zones, which prevent illegal tapping and attacks on pipelines; and she will also provide resources to stop cross-border smuggling of black market oil.


III. A New Regional Diplomatic Initiative

* Enlist the International Community to Stabilize the Region. Our allies and friends in the region all have a stake in a stable Iraq. Until now, in part because of the way the Bush Administration has behaved, they have gotten a free pass. No longer. As President, Hillary will have a unique opportunity to reach out to our allies and partners in the region and press them to take greater responsibility for what happens in Iraq. She will hold a major regional stabilization meeting early on in her Presidency. This group will be composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The mission of this group will be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq. In advance of that meeting, Hillary will confer with our treaty allies as well as our friends in the region to coordinate policy before gathering with the larger group of nations. One of her first international meetings as President will be with these leaders, including Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Jordan, and Egypt, as well as our European allies in order to push for greater responsible action towards Iraq, including more assistance. This will send a strong signal of our country’s determination – as we draw down our forces – to ensure that the rest of the world plays its part in stabilizing Iraq. Hillary will then convene a regional stabilization group composed of key allies, other global powers, and all of the states bordering Iraq. The mission of this group will be to develop and implement a strategy to create a stable Iraq.


* Provide for Refugees. As our forces redeploy out of Iraq, Hillary will also organize a multi-billion dollar international effort under the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees to address the needs of Iraqi refugees. The UN will also play a role, helping to deal with the resettlement of refugees and others displaced from their homes, a number which now exceeds four million. With the price of oil at record levels, the government of Iraq now has considerable financial resources available. As President, Hillary will also press the UN to establish a mechanism by which some of those Iraqi funds could be used to feed, clothe, shelter, and otherwise provide for these millions of refugees. Addressing the upheaval caused by this displacement will facilitate a smoother exit and a less risky end to the war.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6552


……
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6548


Fact Sheet: Hillary's Leadership on Iraq

3/17/2008 9:52:12 AM

In January 2003, Hillary sent letter to Colin Powell, urges him to continue robust inspections. "If our words about supporting UN inspectors have any meaning and if we truly want the United Nations to be effective, we must act to support the UN arms inspectors and act to unite the UN Security Council behind the use of U2 aircraft in Iraq...Additionally if we are truly serious about supporting the UN inspections we should increase our intelligence support to the inspectors."

In March 2003, Hillary argues that Iraq situation should be solved 'a peaceful manner through coercive inspection.' "'It is preferable that we do this in a peaceful manner through coercive inspection'...he senator said the Bush administration still had work to do at convincing the American public and the rest of the world that Hussein presented a real threat that might require military action. 'The administration should continue to try to enlist more support,' she added."

In October 2003, Hillary goes to senate floor and asserts that the Bush administration 'gilded the lily' on Iraq war intelligence. "I think it is clear, and it is not just a mistake, it is not just a wrong assessment--I think now it is clear that, for a combination of reasons, the administration gilded the lily, engaged in hyperbole, took whatever small nugget of intelligence that existed and blew it up into a mountain, in order, I suppose, to make the case more strongly and convincingly to the American people. But at what a cost? The cost of our credibility, the cost of our national leadership, and even more so the cost of perhaps not being able to take actions in the future that are necessary to our well-being and our interests because we may look like the nation or at least the administration that cried wolf. It is a big price to pay.”

Since 2005, Hillary has consistently support redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq.

In August 2006, Hillary grills Rumsfeld, slams 'happy talk' on failed Iraq war policy. "Under your leadership there have been numerous errors in judgment that have led us to where we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. We have a full fledged insurgency and full blown sectarian conflict in Iraq…Mr. Secretary, when our constituents ask for evidence that your policy in Iraq and Afghanistan will be successful, you don’t leave us with much to talk about. Yes, we hear a lot of happy talk and rosy scenarios, but because of the Administration’s strategic blunders, and frankly the record of incompetence in executing, you are presiding over a failed policy."

In August 2007, Hillary sends letter to Pentagon pushing administration to start planning for Iraq withdrawal. “The Pentagon has issued a stinging rebuke to…Hillary Rodham Clinton, arguing that she is boosting enemy propaganda by asking how the U.S. plans to eventually withdraw from Iraq. Under Secretary of Defense Eric Edelman wrote a biting reply to questions Clinton raised in May, urging the Pentagon to start planning now for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Clinton, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, has privately and publicly pushed Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Peter Pace two months ago to begin drafting the plans for what she said will be a complicated withdrawal of troops, trucks and equipment. 'If we're not planning for it, it will be difficult to execute it in a safe and efficacious way,' she said then."

In November 2007, Hillary calls on President Bush to explicitly state that the United States will not maintain permanent military bases in Iraq. "Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton called on President Bush today to clarify the recently signed Declaration of Principles for a Long-Term Relationship of Cooperation and Friendship Between the Republic of Iraq and the United States of America to confirm that the United States does not plan to place any permanent bases within Iraq and instead plans to begin the phased redeployment of U.S. troops."

In December 2007, Hillary introduces legislation that would prevent President Bush from agreeing to create permanent bases in Iraq. "Senator Clinton introduced legislation today that requires the President to seek Congressional approval for any agreement that would extend the U.S. military commitment to Iraq… 'The Bush Administration must not circumvent Congress on the critical issue of the future U.S. presence in Iraq. The Administration must not be permitted to enter into agreements that could lead to permanent bases in Iraq which would damage U.S. interests in Iraq and the broader region without Congressional approval," said Senator Clinton.'"

Sen. Obama co-sponsors Hillary's legislation in January 2008.

http://facts.hillaryhub.com/archive/?id=6548

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Topic subject Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5119769#5119769
5119769, Clinton: McCain would keep troops in Iraq 100 years - On Obama, 'Just words for five years'
Posted by bigtree on Mon Mar-17-08 08:58 AM

from The Swamp: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_mccain_would_keep_troo.html




Speaking at George Washington University this morning, Clinton tied McCain to President Bush, saying there would be little difference in policy if McCain became president.

“Sen. McCain would gladly accept the torch and stay the course, keeping troops in Iraq for up to 100 years if necessary,” she said. “That in a nutshell is the Bush-McCain Iraq policy – don’t learn from your mistakes, repeat them.”

“We can have hundreds of thousands of troops on the ground for a hundred years, but that doesn’t change the fact that there is no political solution to the situation in Iraq,” said Clinton. “Sen. McCain and President Bush claim withdrawal is defeat. Let’s be clear, withdrawal is not defeat. Defeat is keeping troops in Iraq for 100 years.”

Clinton did not reserve her criticism for McCain alone. She also charged that Obama did not begin working to end the war until he began running for president. And, she pointed out, one of Obama’s top foreign policy advisers told the BBC that if elected, Obama would not follow his campaign plan to withdraw troops from Iraq. That adviser, Samantha Power, has since resigned.

“I have concrete, detailed plans to end this war and I have not wavered on my commitment to follow through on them,” said Clinton, who pledged to follow through “as responsibly and as quickly as possible.”




Here’s a Clinton campaign memo distributed to reporters this morning in advance of Clinton’s Iraq policy speech in Washington: http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6546


To: Interested Parties From: The Clinton Campaign Date: March 17, 2008 RE: Just Words for Five Years

Over the last few weeks, the question of who is most ready to be Commander-in-Chief has rightfully dominated the presidential campaign. Who is ready to take the 3 a.m. call? Who has a record of action on national security issues? Who is ready to be president on day one?

Senator Clinton has worked to answer these questions by presenting her record to voters and enabling them to judge her based on the record she has amassed during her 35 years of public service - as a first lady who traveled to 82 countries and as a U.S. Senator who sits on the Armed Services Committee.

Lacking a comparable record, Senator Obama has premised his campaign on just words, most notably the resounding speech he delivered in October 2002 against the Iraq war.

But with the fifth anniversary of the invasion upon us, the onus is now on Senator Obama to demonstrate what he did to act on that 2002 speech when he got to the U.S. Senate.

Hillary has long argued that what matters in this campaign isn’t what we’ve said but what we’ve done. Are words backed with action?

This week, the Clinton Campaign will continue to discuss which candidate is ready to be Commander-in-Chief on day one. We will urge Senator Obama to show that he hasn’t simply amassed five years of words, that his record on ending the war is one of action.

Senator Obama gave an anti-Iraq speech in 2002 that he removed from his website in 2003, calling it “dated.” When he got to the Senate, Senator Obama failed to take advantage of the opportunity provided by his new position and did little to turn his words into action until he became a White House candidate. In fact, he voted for over $300 billion in funds for the war and waited 18 months to speak on the Senate floor about Iraq, delivering a speech AGAINST the Kerry amendment that set a hard deadline for withdrawal.

When he took over the subcommittee that oversees NATO and Afghanistan and had a chance to follow up on the part of his 2002 speech that argued that Iraq diverted attention from Afghanistan, he failed to hold a single hearing. And as a candidate, he regularly touts a plan to set a hard end date for Iraq that has now been dismissed by one of his foreign policy advisers as just words.

Voters need to know whether they can count on their candidates to act on the ideas they tout on the stump. While Senator Clinton has acted on the words she uses on the campaign trail, Senator Obama’s words aren’t backed by action.

At the end of the day, the true test for a president is not the speeches he or she delivers - it’s whether he or she delivers on the speeches.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:49 PM
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20. Hillary should hire Samantha Power
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