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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:44 AM
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A Delegate Loophole? (Is Hillary going to go after "pledged" delegates?)
First Obama/Wright, now this. I may wind up flipping a coin on Tuesday.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/123495

Citing wiggle room in an obscure, 26-year-old Democratic Party rule, Hillary Clinton's campaign is leaving the door open to the idea of attempting to persuade Barack Obama's pledged delegates to switch their votes at the last minute and back the New York senator—despite fears among some party officials that it could throw this summer's Denver convention into chaos.

The question of whether pledged delegates must stick to the candidate they were elected to vote for has prompted party chatter for weeks. Clinton herself drew notice last week during a NEWSWEEK interview when she said her delegate numbers aren't "bleak at all," even though by most counts she trails Obama by more than 100. "Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to," she added. Although her campaign quickly denied it was waging any effort to "flip" Obama's pledged delegates, Clinton's remarks weren't academic. After the 1980 battle between Jimmy Carter and Ted Kennedy, her chief strategist Harold Ickes noted, the party changed a rule that required pledged delegates to stick with their candidates no matter what. The current rule, adopted in 1982, states that pledged delegates "shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them." A "good conscience" reason for a delegate to switch, Ickes told NEWSWEEK, would be if one candidate—such as, say, Clinton—was deemed more "electable." If delegates believe she has a better chance in November than Obama, Ickes said, "you bet" that would be a reason to change their vote. (He added, however, that the campaign is "focused" on winning over uncommitted superdelegates "at this point.")

Ickes's comments prompted a fierce comeback from Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "Despite repeated denials," he said, "the Clinton campaign finally admitted that they will go to any length to win." One party official, who asked for anonymity when discussing sensitive matters, said the strategy behind Clinton's invocation of the 1982 rule was clear: "They're trying to open up a window for some of the Obama people to change their minds."

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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:00 AM
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1. rule not loophole
See DNC rules since '72 election
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shadowrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:11 AM
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2. Agreed
I simply used the exact title of the article.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:42 AM
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4. Rules can be loopholes depending how they are used. It's blatant cheating as folks worked hard to..
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 06:44 AM by cooolandrew
worked hard to earn people's votes and gain the delegates.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:41 AM
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3. This is one messed up loophole really. ...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 06:41 AM by cooolandrew
It is similar to saying that a person casts a vote and HRC can re-write it and then if president try sell democracy to the world.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:43 AM
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5. She's already doing it. There have been several threads here about it.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:46 AM
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7. I will never figure how HRC supporters can excuse this. Especailly when HRC said dont go after mine.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 06:46 AM by cooolandrew
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:05 AM
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10. It's easy when you subscribe to double standards or have none at all.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:45 AM
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6. Let them try
The rules allow it, but they're nuts if they don't see blowback coming their way from any such move.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:56 AM
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8. Pledged delegates are picked by the campaign, so unless they screw up big time...
...pledged delegates are going to be the most die-hard fanatical supporters of their candidate out there.

Not exactly easy to turn.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:00 AM
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9. Whatever it takes. That Hillary sure is a fighter all right.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:52 AM
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11. So much for the will of the people
And why am I to believe that Clinton believes in Democracy?
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importDavid Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:57 AM
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12. She is an evil manipulative woman and must be destroyed
Who on Earth would want this person in the White House (again)??

Can't change the rules of the game once you've started playing just because you're losing!!
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