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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:27 AM
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Superdelegates Question Clinton's Electability and Effect on Down-Ballot Races
I know this has probably been posted, but I thought the snippet toward the end of the article and one toward the beginning were very encouraging. Despite Hillary's efforts to woo and cajole the SDs, they seem to be finding their own way along with the rest of the country. Excellent article in today's NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/16/us/politics/16delegates.html?pagewanted=2&ref=politics

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WASHINGTON — Lacking a clear route to the selection of a Democratic presidential nominee, the party’s uncommitted superdelegates say they are growing increasingly concerned about the risks of a prolonged fight between Senators Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, and perplexed about how to resolve the conflict. Interviews with dozens of undecided superdelegates — the elected officials and party leaders who could hold the balance of power for the nomination — found them uncertain about who, if anyone, would step in to fill a leadership vacuum and help guide the contest to a conclusion that would not weaken the Democratic ticket in the general election.

While many superdelegates said they intended to keep their options open as the race continued to play out over the next three months, the interviews suggested that the playing field was tilting slightly toward Mr. Obama in one potentially vital respect. Many of them said that in deciding whom to support, they would adopt what Mr. Obama’s campaign has advocated as the essential principle: reflecting the will of the voters. Mr. Obama has won more states, a greater share of the popular vote and more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.

A New York Times survey of superdelegates last week found that Mr. Obama had been winning over more of them recently than Mrs. Clinton had, though Mrs. Clinton retained an overall lead among those who have made a choice. Over the past month, according to the survey, Mr. Obama, of Illinois, picked up 54 superdelegates; Mrs. Clinton, of New York, picked up 31.

“If we get to the end and Senator Obama has won more states, has more delegates and more popular vote,” said Representative Jason Altmire, Democrat of Pennsylvania, who is undecided, “I would need some sort of rationale for why at that point any superdelegate would go the other way, seeing that the people have spoken.”

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And there were indications that Mrs. Clinton is facing some questions among the superdelegates about her electability and her potential effect on other Democratic candidates in November. “A key question to me is how the candidates would affect the down-ballot races,” said Steven Achelpohl, the Democratic state chairman in Nebraska. “I think Obama would have a more positive impact on our other races out here in Nebraska.”


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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:38 AM
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1. ah the old and most important coattails issue KG
Nancy Pelosi gave me the biggest hint at where the SD's are leaning and why they are liking Obama more-he can get them a bigger majority than she can-and he's bringing out the new voters. That little blurb I read here yesterday about the 65,000 new voters the Obama team has registered around Philly I believe, was cause for all the panic from the Hill-bots yesterday on the boards. I wonder what kind of internals they got that had them doing what they did in every single thread.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:52 AM
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5. Yes.. I think we're starting to hear a glimmer of what is going on INSIDE the Democratic Party.. I
don't think for a minute these delegates who were interviewed didn't have "permission" to hint that things were not looking so good for Hillary in her last gasp recourse: the SDs overturning the will of the people. It is obvious to me where they are headed. More and more snippets like this will be "leaked". And if you'll read between the lines of the article, it doesn't sound like the party is ready for this fight to go to the convention.

So, how will they end it? It will be interesting to see. I do know that every move that Hillary makes in attacking Obama, she loses face with America and with the Party. Strange, because she evidently still believes her nasty and divisive tactics are "working".
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:49 AM
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13. It's astounding to see how many Pennsylvanians are flipping to vote for Obama...
Republicans are flocking to our office, announcing that they've registered Dem and offering to volunteer ~ I've worked on many campaigns over the years, and have never seen anything like it. You're probably right about the Clinton camp freaking over this.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:26 AM
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15. That is such great news.
:thumbsup:
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:35 AM
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29. thanks poli
for your service
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:33 PM
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32. the super delegates need to pull their heads out of their butts and
step up for their candidate. they can put it away. do it, you coward. put your big fat egos aside and do the right thing. SHEESH! They sit and fusticate but they don't want to lose their primadonna status in the momentary spotlight later on and decide now.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:43 AM
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2. This is an excellent point
The presidential election is not just about the President - it's about who can motivate more voters to get out and vote for Democratic candidates across the board.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:43 AM
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3. This has always been obvious.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 07:44 AM by bowens43
This is why republicans have been pushing hillary as 'inevitable' for the last few years. They know that she , next to bush, is the most hated poloitician in Washington. They know that nothing will get republicans to the polls quicker then another Clinton on the ballot. They know that independents will not support her.

If hillary is on the ticket McCain will be president and we will lose control of the senate and maybe the house. It would also , as Mr Achelpohl points out, have a devastating effect on state races.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:53 AM
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6. I agree totally.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:44 AM
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4. It's the Coattails, Stupid!
Obama's got 'em. Hillary's got high negatives.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 07:58 AM
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7. But but but the Clintons have a proven record
of having NO coattails at all... losing both houses of Congress AND the Supreme Court.
C'mon, in 1994 the Clintons lost FIFTY FOUR seats in the House (including 34 incumbents). Granted some of
those losses were self-inflicted, but clearly The Clintons didn't help one bit... they were were self-centered,
divisive and Hillary's botched health plan created an atmosphere of total incompetence and untrustworthiness.
No... no coattails on those Clintons and there's no reason to expect any different a second time.


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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:10 AM
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8. How soon we forget. Thanks for the Clinton Refresher Course !
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:08 AM
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19. Followed up by Bill with Lewinsky
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:09 AM by MindMatter
It was the DLC wing of the Party that brought us to the brink of extinction as a party. Yeah, Bill got elected twice, but the rest of the party collapsed around him.

I can't imagine why any thinking person would be interested in going down that path again, especially after how hard everybody has worked to regain majorities in both houses.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:28 AM
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9. Hillary, are you hearing this?

We don't need another delusional president.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:42 AM
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10. Do you think anyone takes her the papers in the morning?? Seriously.. I wonder if she hears
anything but Penn and Wolfson whispering lies and delusions in her ear.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:23 AM
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26. They probably have more redactions than
a document given to the press by Gonzalez
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:33 AM
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27. OK.. this is extremely funny.. thanks for the laugh !
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:43 AM
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11. SD's are perplexed...
about how to resolve the conflict?! If they're truly concerned about a prolonged fight, all they have to do is commit NOW.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:49 AM
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12. BINGO ! Man, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out. They could have ended this
weeks ago.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:41 AM
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17. They'll perhaps wait until Obama has 100 more PD's
tallied up for them to weigh in. There are about 330 SD's that remain uncommitted. Once he's over 1700 -- he's at about 1600 now -- they can put a stop to this any time and put him over 2025. I figure after PA, NC, and IN are over they'll finish it up.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 08:54 AM
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14. I'm sure Obama would have a more positive impact on other races...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 08:54 AM by polichick
And thank goodness for HD's 50-state strategy! I worked on Dean's campaign ~ and in my mind what's happening with Obama is a continuation of the grassroots power that Dean began.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:28 AM
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16. Thanks K.
:thumbsup:
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 09:53 AM
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18. k/r
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:10 AM
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20. A good number of county Dems want Obama and not Clinton at the
top of the ballot.

They're responsible for a lot of less famous but very crucial local and state elections and want more, not fewer, Democrats in those positions.

You can't build a stronger party with fewer Democrats.


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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:10 AM
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21. When elections come around, you don't want to be the Clinton SD in a district where Obama won .....
and hope to retain your seat, IF Obama won the most delegates and popular vote.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:11 AM
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22. 10th Rec.
Good post, K Gardner.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:35 AM
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28. Thanks, Crusoe ! Happy pre-St. Patrick's Day to ya !
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:48 AM
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30. And right back, K Gardner. The best Irish ale in a very tall glass to ye!
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:15 AM
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23. Here in Wa. state Clinton would kill the party at the state and local level
polls indicate. Understanding that, Governor Gregoire, up for reelection, has endorsed Obama.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 AM
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24. From day one I thought Hillary & the Clenis were damaged goods & I was relieved to have anyone pull
ahead. Had it been Biden or Richardson, even Edwards with the trial lawyer/frivolous lawsuits baggage and the pretty boy connotations, I would feel OK.

I am very glad it is Obama. The time is now.

No matter how weak the GOP brand is, an annoying polarizing figure who reminds people of semen stained dresses, standing up and under the desk blowjobs in the Oval Office and a cigar (ew & yuck) is not our best nominee.

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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:21 AM
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25. She'd destroy our chances to make significant gains
in the House and Senate. Just like her husband did.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:53 AM
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31. K and R
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:27 PM
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33. Commenting to my own OP to say that this article seems, strangely enough, to fall RIGHT IN LINE with
what Pelosi said on teevee today. It looks like its all coming together.. and Hillary's party will soon be over, but our Democratic Party will emerge strong and united !
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:53 PM
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34. I do hope this comes to an end soon.
It really is too much at this point.
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