Meanwhile, out in the real world. . . . .

[MadHound]

I come here to GD:P and one would think that the Obama campaign is seeing the wheels come off over this Wright deal. Great screaming headlines posted by hyperventilating Hillary supporters would lead one to believe that Obama's not only going to lose the nomination over this incident, but could very well be forced out of his Senate seat.

Meanwhile, out in the real world, I continue to hear very little on this matter. I consume more than my fair share of news, being a news and political junkie. However I also don't spend the majority of my time glued to the computer, rattling around in the blogosphere where the slightest incident is fired around the echo chamber of the Internet where it takes on far more significance than it should have. What I hear in the real world(where the vast majority of Americans live) is minimal. Sure, Faux news network has tried pushing this latest bullshit, but it really isn't catching on and they'll probably drop it out of their smear cycle in a day or two. I've yet to read it in any newspaper, either the NYT, St.L Post Dispatch, or a couple of local papers. Haven't heard a thing on NPR, nor on the nightly news. Sure, I understand that I could have missed the Wright story, I'm a normal human being, not glued to the tube, with other activities going on. But that is my point, in the real world, among people who lead "normal" lives, who don't have the time or inclination to be political junkies, the Wright incident is simply not on the radar, despite all the frantic hyperventilating by Hillary supporters.

So unless there's something else out there concerning Wright, something real and concrete, Hillary supporters might as well face the fact that the Wright incident isn't catching hold. People aren't buying into it, the MSM can't really sex it up or sell it, it's come out, fallen flat, and the real world is moving on.

So I suppose that you're going to have to go out and cook up some sort of other non-scandal to try and harm Obama, because this one isn't working. While you folks have worked yourselves into a lather over this thing, the real world looked, yawned, and Obama picked up more delegates. Nice try, now move along, because there's nothing to see here.

[K Gardner]

1. LOL.. thanks for sanity :-)

[MadHound]

4. The difference is astounding

Here in the hothouse that is GD:P, one would think that Obama's campaign is about to tank over Wright. Meanwhile, I talk to people, both Obama and Hillary supporters, out in the real world and their reaction is "Wright who?"

I think that it's another case of desperate Hillary supporters trying to use the echo chamber effect of the internet to manufacture a scandal, except this time it's not working.

[K Gardner]

5. Those I've spoken to who DO know about Wright, have experienced black churches before and they

just "hee-hawed" over the outrage. "That's what I hear every Sunday! You white people get scared easy, doncha??"

No one's support of Obama is less.. it seems as Hillary's attacks increase, his support strengthens - in the REAL world :-)

[Catherina]

2. Same experience here.

What little I've heard is more supportive than anything.

Rec'd

[polichick]

3. I haven't come upon anyone in the real world who is bothered by this...

Perhaps more voters now realize that Obama is a Christian.

[floridablue]

6. The sage of the VFW hall

"Don't much care what that fellow's preacher has to say".

[leftofcool]

7. You might want to wait for tomorrow's news

I hear there is proof he was in where those sermons were preached in which case, he lied

[MadHound]

8. You don't get it, do you?

It's a non-story. All this minutia, all this breathless rhetoric is having little impact on the real world, and if it hasn't gotten legs by now, it's not going to get them. Obama would have to have been present when Wright ate a live white baby for this so called scandal to get leveraged up into the newscycle. It's done, it's over with and it's past time the Hillary camp dropped it as being unproductive.

Hell, even Clinton campaign heads realized this, and didn't bring it up yesterday when they had the chance. Those weekly flashbacks of important news of the week mention Ferraro, but not a peep about Wright.

The only place where the Wright story is having an impact is in the hothouse, fevered imaginations of Hillary supporters in the blogosphere. Meanwhile, the real world has yawned and moved on.

[leftofcool]

9. Not in my state

[MadHound]

12. Then the residents of MD must have their heads buried in the blogosphere also

And I seriously doubt that is the case. Look I realize that many, many people would love for this story to get real legs in the real world, but I'm in contact with many people all over the country on almost a daily basis, and I'm just not seeing this story having any sort of real world impact.

[LisaL]

10. I don't think you get it.

I recall before the 2004 election, some people in a diner sitting next to my table, talking about Kerry, believing the swift boat commercials, and planning to vote for Bush. How many people do you think believed swift boat commercials, and what did that do to Kerry's candidacy? Well, last I checked, Kerry isn't president.
If you think this will just blow over, I don't think you get anything.

[MadHound]

11. And you said it yourself, what it took to get the swift boaters on the national radar

Commerical exposure done by 527 group. I don't see a 527 group pushing this for Hillary, and certainly hope that I don't see one doing this.

Besides, Kerry made a tactical mistake, he failed to take the swiftboaters head on and aggressively. I don't think that Obama would make that mistake if somehthing does come up.

Meanwhile, this story still doesn't have legs, isn't going to effect the primary race, and I seriously doubt it will effect the GE race.

You're hyperventilating over nothing.

[LisaL]

14. It's not the primary I am talking about.

As for thinking it won't affect GE, well...
Those 527 commercials are practically writing themselves.

[MadHound]

15. And again, Obama won't make the mistake that Kerry did

Kerry appeared weak and indecisive in the face of the swift boat vet attacks. If he had taken them head on he would have blown them out of the water and moved on. Obama will have learned from this and this whole Wright thing will amount to nothing in GE.

But I find it interesting that Hillary supporters around here are so very concerned about what effects the Wright non-story will have on the GE, so concerned that they continue to try and push the Wright non-story. Hmmm, what's the real agenda around here:think:

[stillcool]

22. Kerry in 04

if people were moved by the 'swift-boaters', they would not have voted for him anyway. Not to mention that Kerry did win Ohio. I refuse to allow fear to dictate my words or actions, and I am sick and tired of Democrats using this tactic. The people in "your" state, and "your" friends may be so shallow that they are moved by this crap, but please don't assume that your small view of the world is the only one there is.

[Mooney]

27. Kerry didn't quickly and effectively refute those attacks.

He unwittingly let them get out of hand and take on a life of their own because he didn't address them quickly enough or strongly enough.

Obama was on the tube the next day, even on Fox News, to refute them. He clearly sees what Kerry did wrong and is determined not to make the same mistake.

[peace frog]

13. Of course they don't get it

and perhaps never will, but so be it. Thanks for the beautifully rational post and I agree: this story has already begun to die, and will not affect the outcome of the nomination or the general election in any appreciable manner.

[SunsetDreams]

16. If they had any proof they would air it already....

rumorville or wishful thinking?

Have a nice day

[Window]

17. Yep!

:thumbsup:

[QC]

18. 1,939 hits on Google News this morning.

Last night there were fewer than 1,800.

This is not a DU-only story.

[MadHound]

19. I'm not saying that it's a DU only story,

I'm saying that it's for the most part a blogosphere story, ricocheting around the echo chamber of the internet in a vain attempt to work up enough energy to break into the real world news cycle. It has failed to reach that kind of critical reaction point, and at this point in time, I doubt that it will.

Frankly, if all it has is 2,000 hits on Google News, it's not even getting much play in the blogosphere either. The Ferraro story, which is out of the news cycle, is still hitting at 4,200.

Again, Hillary supporters are beating a dead horse.

[Alamom]

20. It's on CNN now. Title : Media late on Obama Pastor. nm

[MadHound]

21. That's nice, it was also on CNN a couple of days ago

It was on Faux yesterday(and they were really trying to push it, hmm, wonder why:think:). But really now, it's not catching on. You ask the ordinary person out on the street, and they don't know about it, however they're more likely to know about the Ferraro case.

Most people aren't watching Sunday morning news, and yet we haven't seen it on the nightly news, Sixty Minutes, etc. It's been wandering around the fringes of MSM coverage, yet after a week it still hasn't caught on. I'm willing to bet big bucks that if it doesn't develop some sort of legs in the next day, you're not going to see it anywhere by Tuesday.

Sorry, but there is no there, there, and the real world media knows it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Here's To Hopin You're Wright!

:toast:

[Kaylee]

24. I'm seeing the same thing....

From the hyperbole of DU on this subject, I expected to see a front page Washington Post article on the story. I was surprised to see how this story overtook DU when I barely heard a peep about it in the real world. Everyone I know was still talking about the Ferraro fiasco.

[jhain]

25. Here:

You deserve some nice flowers. Have some shamrocks for St Patrick's Day.

THANK YOU.

[MadHound]

26. Thanks for the lovely bouquet,

And a happy St. Pat's to you!:hi:

[MadHound]

28. Kick for reality.

[Scurrilous]

29. Reality kick.

:thumbsup:

[CatnHat]

30. Simply not true

Obama supporters can downplay the significance, but voters are not that stupid. To suggest that voters are uninformed is pure nonsense. People where I work are in an outrage because of this. This story reflects the core and base of the Obama campaign. If you think this story will not carry in the GE; if Obama gets the nod??? is more than a possibility; it's a probability.

[MadHound]

31. Umm, given that the American public voted in George Bush, twice

I would say that "uninformed" is a valid charge to make against the American people.

Again, I haven't seen the big deal about the Wright issue. The only place I see people chasing their tails about it is in the blogosphere. It simply isn't getting the airplay that other stories are. It is being preempted by the Bear Stearns debacle, the worsening economy, and the increase in violence in Iraq. Yes, there's been a couple of mentions about it, but it certainly hasn't grown legs like the Ferraro fuck up did and get broadcast across all the media spectrum. You can whine and fume about that all you want, but it is the truth.

And frankly I'm wondering how you think that this "story reflects the core and base of the Obama campaign." Reflects what? Somehow I think that you're grasping for straws on this one. It is one preacher, tangently connected with the Obama campaign(though actually he's no longer connected at all), making semi-controversial statements that, if white America has been paying attention for the past fifty years, we've heard other black leaders make time and again. Big whoop.

Will this come out in the GE, possibly, but it's certainly not the fatal blow you're trying to make it out to be. If Obama learns his lesson from watching Kerry and the swift boaters, once this issue is brought up he will take it head on and dispose of it. Frankly I'm much more worried about Hillary's large negatives if she gets the nod, the freepers will be out in force dragging out every single story about her and Bill from the past twenty years and throwing it. Shit, you won't be seeing just the kitchen sink, but the bathroom and neighbor's sinks as well. Hillary's negatives far outway Obama's, since Hillary is going to bring out every RW nutter from the woodwork to vote against her, she'll lose the anti-war left, most of the independents and some of the conservative Dems. Stacked up against all this, Wright is nothing, trust me.

But hey, Hillary supporters are desperate at this point, and they're going to throw everything they can, hoping something will stick. Congratulations on doing the work for John McCain.