There should be a special place in Hell for any Democrat who votes for McCain.

[Unbowed]

I'm seeing post after post where people proclaim, "If my candidate doesn't win, I'm voting for McCain."

Nobody who votes for McCain is in any way, shape or form a Democrat, a liberal or a progressive. The man is poison to all we believe and stand for.

There is no point in expounding on what McCain stands for. We all know that all too well.

Make no mistake, I'm thoroughly disgusted with Hillary Clinton for her statements praising McCain, the statements where she lauds the experience he would bring to the job as President of the United States. Her proclamations have been seen as tantamount to an endorsement for McCain. How could I, after condemning her words, turn around and do exactly that: support McCain.

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, I will not vote for McCain. Period.

In all honestly, I don't know what I will do when I get into the voting booth if Hillary Clinton and McCain are the only choices. It's like choosing a method by which to die. No matter what the choice, it ends the same. Death.

Maybe I'll just draw a big peace sign on the ballot as a write-in protest vote. Just kidding...but barely.

I do know one thing, there isn't anything that will make me take that pen and put a black mark next to the name of John McCain.

[searchingforlight]

1. Democrats eat their own.

Only the Democratic Party could take a cakewalk and turn it into an expedition up K2.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

5. Yeah, with Hillary leading the way.

[Unbowed]

12. I hear ya.

But I don't really believe her. Maybe I'm naive, but I think if Obama gets the nomination, she'll (at least outwardly) support him. Who she casts her vote for might be another matter. Voting is still private so we will never know.

[Unbowed]

9. Although I've been a Democrat all my life, I agree on your point.

Maybe we are outgrowing the two-party system. Ralph Nader does have a point, but he's going about it the wrong way. The way to grow a third party is from the bottom up, not from the top down. Start at the grassroots and local elections across the country, not with the Presidency.

[Drachasor]

25. Nader's point is that our laws are setup so that you can't have 3 stable parties at once

Let alone any more than that.

[Unbowed]

32. If laws are preventing it, then the way to get legislation is still to start at the bottom.

We've seen the power that grassroots campaigns can generate, first with Dean and now with Obama. People are looking for change and will mobilize if they are motivated. The problem with Nader is that he's just running his same, old, tired campaign for President without any real support or movement for change behind it.

Not that I condemn his intentions, but he's really not achieving much at all, and he did cause harm in 2000.

[Drachasor]

33. I agree that he isn't acheiving much. And you are right about the grass-roots thing

I just wanted to clear up what Nader's argument was.

[Unbowed]

34. You're right of course. He is using that argument and challenging the law whenever and wherever he c

He does have to be a candidate to challenge the laws the way he has.

I'm sometimes guilty of over-simplification and Ralph Nader is a complicated person...and phenomena. :)

[papau]

13. Something about Obama giving the finger to Clinton supporters and idea of Obama/Clinton ticket

[polichick]

2. Here's the voting booth mantra: DRAFT - GLOBAL WARMING - SUPREME COURT.

[mikekohr]

3. I'm supporting our nominee

But like it or not we, our base, will not determine who wins the presidency. The White House will be won by the candidate that wins over independent, moderates, and swing voters. Two of the three remaining candidates for the presidency have shown the ability to appeal to that demographic. McCain is one of those three. We best not ignore that point. Ignoring it has cost us 7 of the last 10 presidential elections.

mike kohr

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

8. Me too, as long as it's Obama!

[Unbowed]

14. I completely agree with you. McCain is certainly the most dangerous nominee the Repubs chould have

chosen.

I'm wondering though, what will happen to those ind, mod & swings bought in by Obama should he not win the nomination?

Can't really see them going for McCain. They might sit this one out.

[JoFerret]

4. I'm fine with that

metaphorically speaking.

Of course - we must win. We have to change things around and start to work on the enormous mess we will inherit.

I can understand Clinton folk who are bitter about Obama's divisive campaign though. And I certainly have deep reservations about his suitability for president and even deeper reservations about some of the people he surrounds himself with.

But for sure it will be better than any GOP fiasco.

[Medusa]

6. I think it's a protest vote

i.e., if this is the way the Democratic party chooses to play, and Candidate X (or Candidate Y) gets the nomination, then I vote for the Republicans instead.

[Unbowed]

16. I'm not against the concept of the protest vote, but there are other options than voting for McCain.

I'd write-in my dog before I'd vote for McCain.

[backscatter712]

22. I'm voting for Barack Obama...

whether he's the official party nominee or not.

He damned well should be the presumptive nominee by now - he's got the lead in pledged delegates, he's got the math. Hillary doesn't. All she's got is swiftboating and various cheating strategies like trying to get the superdelegates to override a democratic election result.

I'm voting for the person that the people of the Democratic Party selected to be their nominee, and I don't care what elites in smoke-filled rooms choose.

[Unbowed]

26. Well put. n/t

[Catch22Dem]

7. There will be...it's called EARTH

If we have to endure 4 more years of a Bush presidency (which is all we'll get with McCain) hell will he right here.

[usrbs]

10. Agreed

[LisaL]

11. Starting with the OP, I guess?

Should there be special hell for those who won't vote for the democratic nominee, whoever that is?

[MethuenProgressive]

15. There should be a special place in Hell for any Democrat who doesn't vote for our nominee.

And I'm not "just kidding"

[Unbowed]

17. Glad to hear you will be supporting Obama, then. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

18. I like my postion better than your Pro-McCain "I don't know if I can vote for Hillary"

I suggest you join the Democratic Party some day.

[Unbowed]

20. Do all Hillary Clinton supporters have a problem with the truth or just you?

Lying and twisting of words do not a Democrat make. In fact, they do not serve our party at all.

The only pro-McCain words around here are the ones quoted from your candidate, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[tblue37]

19. I am also disgusted by the way she is running her campaign and by her willingness

to trash our chances in the general.

But I always remember two important words: Supreme Court!

The next president will appoint at least two, and probably three, Supreme Court justices. We must have a Dem in the WH, even if it is Hillary.

BTW, the Repubs have also been packing the entire federal bench with their lackeys, which is another reason why we need a Dem president and enough Dems in both houses of Congress to prevent the Repubs from obstructing the Dem president's ability to appoint federal judges, which is what the Repubs did when Clinton tried to make appointments. Dems let Repubs appoint any SOB they want, but Repubs always fight when the Dem president tries to make an appointment that Dems can live with.

[Unbowed]

27. You're right, of course.

But I'm afraid if she is the nominee, the clothespin market will soar.

[NastyRiffraff]

21. I will support the Democratic nominee

If it's Obama, it will be reluctantly, but I'll do it, as an anti-McCain vote.

As for those saying that Hillary might not support St. Barack if he's the nominee, she's made it very clear that not only would she support him, she'd urge all her supporters to do so. That's more than Obama has ever said.

[Unbowed]

30. Actually Obama has gone a bit further. He's said Hillary is qualified to be President.

Quite unlike what Hillary has said about his not being qualified.

Clinton is putting out the mixed message that she thinks McCain is better qualified but that she'd support Obama if he were to win the nomination. That's even beyond a flip-flop, it's a 360 degree head spin.

[Swamp Rat]

23. There is:

The 9th Tier of Hell with Tinky Falwell.

[Unbowed]

29. Is that what I think it is that, er TF is holding?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

McCains new friend. Hmmm.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. I WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN!!!

If McCain wins the Democratic nomination, I'll vote for him.

:rofl:


Otherwise, I'll vote for whichever of my fourth-or-fifth favorite candidates gets nominated. (my favorites either never ran, or have dropped out of the running)

:hi:

[Unbowed]

28. Oh don't even say it.

As unlikely as it is, that is a frightening thought.

:rofl: :scared: :rofl: :scared:

[ensho]

31. may they suffer nightmares

nt

[eileen_d]

35. Ironically, the other night I dreamed I did vote for McCain

it wasn't a nightmare, but I was very secretive and ashamed about it - terrified my family would find out, that's for sure!

[Bake]

36. How about a place for those who stay home if Obama isn't the nominee?

That's the same as a vote for McLame. And I've seen it "promised" over and over here.

Bake

[PetraPooh]

37. Fine I'll go to hell rather than vote for Hillary.