Nancy Pelosi gives Clinton supporters NOTHING on today's ABC's THIS WEEK W/ GEORGE

[papau]

1. She is highest ranking Democrat, supports Obama, and will chair the convention and decide on disputes.

2. She says superdelegates must follow will of the people or destroy the party.

3. She says will of the people is not popular vote - it is delegates because in the National election we have the Electoral College and those are the rules (George does not comment on what an idiotic statement this is).

4. She expects Hillary (unnamed - but Hillary based on the above) to quit the race soon - as soon as she realizes that elected delegates only count.

5. She rejects any Obama-Clinton Ticket - the Clinton voters will come crawling back to Obama because where else can they go - there is no need for a unity ticket because Obama will bring us together.

Body language was a Frozen face large smile and nervous ticks as she delivered her "Fuck you" to Clinton supporters.

[leftofcool]

1. link for the fuck you statement by Pelosi

[papau]

9. The term was a my summary of her appearance

[Zhade]

110. From a liar the mods have caught plagiarizing others' work TWICE?

Good luck!

[Why Syzygy]

115. You can watch it yourself.

I didn't really see an FU. It IS clear she intends to have it settled very soon.

http://abcnews.go.com/thisweek

[WinkyDink]

2. Pelosi is all about working with Republicans, is she not?

[papau]

15. yes - giving the GOP what it wants so as to change the atmosphere in DC - while

proposing Democratic Party policies that she has no intention of passing -

She fits well with Obama's NAFTA there was no meeting to say just kidding about NAFTA changes which changed to there was a meeting and everyone else is lying, Obama's social programs have no cost if you do not intend to pass them as pointed out to Kudlow at CNBC, and Obama's I guarantee out of Iraq in 16 months but note that this is just campaign talk and I will review and come up with real plan once I am elected.

[KittyWampus]

52. you have some fucking nerve attacking Pelosi as a Clintonite. Hillary and Bill both gave the GOP

so much of what they wanted.

:puke:

you have no leg to stand on attacking from the Left.

[blm]

70. Did Pelosi coverup for BushInc even 10% as much as Clintons did the last 20 yrs?

.

[Zhade]

111. ...kinda. She DOES refuse to hold them accountable for their crimes.

NT!

[blm]

119. True - but still doesn't pass the 10% mark. The coverups in the 90s LED to just about

everything happening today.

[anonymeme]

62. Granny Nancy Wants to be the First Female President So Surely She'll Try to Kill Hillary's Chances!

P.O.P.!

[roguevalley]

93. so basically, you're saying she is hoping Obama gets shot by

some dumbass so she could then become president and that's more likely than with Hillary?

God.

By the way, there is a vice president between her and the white house. But don't let me disturb your disturbance with facts.

P.O.P? You are beyond the pale.

[foxer]

120. All she'd have to do is impeach Bush and Cheney

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

74. Nancy has seen the "dittoheads vote for Hillary" effect

and she isn't going to help Rush Limbaugh take down the democrats.

Hillary's 4 state strategy sux for real democrats.

[Catherina]

3. 4 the first time, I'm so proud of Nancy. You go girl! n/t

[Nedsdag]

29. Go Nancy! Go Nancy!

Show 'em who's boss around here!

She's a shrewd politician. She's seen the writing on the wall. She knows the deal.

[NDambi]

58. me too... I think she's a beautiful women too...

[goclark]

117. That's the Nancy that I once knew

Now she's talking and in charge.

Please let it last. :bounce:

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. You go girl!

[CreekDog]

5. Fuck you? No. Reality Check? Yes.

and her district voted for Obama too.

[marmar]

6. For once, I can applaud Pelosi for taking a strong stand......

.... Clinton's sense of entitlement when it comes to the nomination is quite nauseating.

[here_is_to_hope]

64. Seriously, first thing she has done that gave me pause....n/t

edited because I am a musician....:+

[krkaufman]

106. I expect Nancy is among a lot of Democratic politicians none too happy ...

... with Clinton's praise of McCain over Obama.

[joeybee12]

7. Oh the irony, since she has given George Bush EVERYTHING...

...one more reason to be disappointed in her lack of leadership this past year.

[shadowknows69]

26. No for once Nancy is seeing to it that the rethugs don't get what they want

A Clinton candidacy

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

75. this is the bravest thing Nancy has done yet - but Hillary has no coat-tails

go Nancy go!

[anonymeme]

86. Pelosi Has Been Playing Ball With the Repugs All Along, Doesn't That Make You Wonder About This?

Pelosi Has Been Playing Ball With the Repugs All Along, Doesn't That Make You Wonder About This?

No impeachment of Bush, no real movement toward getting us the H. out of Iraq? But then maybe she has friends or family feeding at the same defense contract trough as some other high-profile Dems (Feinstein) right along side the Repugs.

Pelosi just helping you all play right into the hands of the Right-Wing.

[Enrique]

8. I don't take it as a fuck you

I have no problem with Pelosi speaking her mind.

[Cassandra]

10. Well, you expect Obama supporters to...

come crawling to Hillary if they have nowhere else to go. If it were Hillary leading in delegates, you would have been screaming long ago for Obama to drop out.... oh wait, you have been screaming for that and still are.

[book_worm]

11. I will watch later but I'm sure your post is just a tad biased

and btw, Obama is ahead in the popular vote too.

[papau]

16. Obama is ahead in the popular vote" - if that continues(incl Mich/FL) he has my vote

[hulka38]

25. Why vote for him then? Just move the goal posts again.

[ORDem]

47. ya think? :) :) n/t

[x-g.o.p.er]

12. So she takes a bold step in trying to unite the party

to improve our chances in the GE, and she's giving a "fuck you" to the Clinton camp, when their chances of winning are about 1 in 10 to begin with? :shrug:

[JimGinPA]

23. I'd Like To Xerox Your Avatar...

I was born in & grew up around St. Louis and I've been a bi g Cardinal fan my whole life.

[x-g.o.p.er]

44. It's one of the selections you can make

that DU has loaded in the options section.

[tishaLA]

38. she understands that party unity is the only way

to get a progressive agenda through the house and senate.

[x-g.o.p.er]

13. self delete double post, sorry n/t

[IDemo]

14. Kudos to Nancy for this

She still owes us a replacement of impeachment on the table, but I am glad to hear her laying the simple facts on the line about this race.

[mckeown1128]

17. Does this mean we have to hate Pelosi now???

Pelosi meet underside of bus.

[olkaz]

80. This has long been in effect.

Ever since Pelosi went to Obama, she's been persona non grata.

[Window]

18. Go Nancy!!

It is what it is.:thumbsup:

[slinkerwink]

19. heh. Thanks, Pelosi!

[Coexist]

20. thank you Nancy - now can we please get ready for the GE now?

[shadowknows69]

21. She delivered the splash of cold water to the face Clinton needs

I have to admit I've agreed with very little Speaker Pelosi has done but she's on the side of the people in this fight and on the side of the most electable candidate.

[usrbs]

81. If HRC wins the popular vote then she's talking nonsense

Actually, even if not, but then I'd agree with her. The rules say the SDs can make up their own minds, and if HRC is ahead in the popular vote and the Sds see BO as having the lesser chance, they're entitled to choose HRC. That's not called moving the goalposts, those are the rules.

Before bringing up MI and FL, I think there should be a revote, and I know she's behind without those 2 states.

As for Pelosi herself, her inept leadership for the past few years tell me all I need to know about her judgment, and I find it amusing that suddenly she makes sense to you Bo supporters. Which goes to prove you're just fans.

[Zhade]

112. She won't, so no worries there!

NT!

[zulchzulu]

22. What's amazing about Nacy Pelosi is her voice is not annoying to me

She can talk in a tone that is authoritive and smooth. She doesn't whine, she doesn't get shrill or overcompensate. It's like comparing Wynton Marsalis on trumphet to some kid playing trumphet badly in grade school.

She was spot on.

[shadowknows69]

30. Ah Wynton

Got to see the man and his whole family in a show in Syracuse once. Good stuff.

[dempartisan23]

24. nancy is great

our leaders must tell hillary to drop out and stop destroying the party.

[jefferson_dem]

27. Way to go Nancy!

Well done. :applause:

[Evergreen Emerald]

28. so, Kennedy and Kerry will be supporting Clinton

the will of the people.

[ClassWarrior]

32. Good.

The will of the people is far more important than any celebrity.

Puede.

NGU.

[shadowknows69]

33. I believe she was suggesting that SDs got the way of the overall delegate count

Either way Obama will come out in the lead.

[ClassWarrior]

45. So Clinton defenders think celebrities are more important than voters?

NGU.

[Forkboy]

49. I don't like her, I live in Mass...and I think they should support her.

If it comes to that, that is. For now, I have no problem with them endorsing someone else, but if comes to that I think they should follow the will of the people of the fine Commonwealth of Mass.

[OhioBlue]

53. in bizzaro world maybe - they could exist

in a parallel universe where Clinton is actually ahead.

But, I wouldn't count on it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. she won Mass.

that is where they are Senators. So, Obama is asking that everyone--but his superdelegates switch.

[OhioBlue]

63. Obama leads in pledged delegates

that is what Pelosi said she thought should be the deciding factor. not who won Mass. Your argument makes no sense

[musicblind]

79. He is talking about only the superdelegates FROM Mass. Or at least I think ... n/t

[my3boyz]

31. Go Nancy! nt.

[QC]

34. My prediction: Nancy will suddenly become a hero at DU

after having been considered a collaborator and traitor for more than a year.

[shadowknows69]

35. I'm not about to award her politician of the year

but she's on the right side of this fight.

[GarbagemanLB]

37. She still has a lot to answer for. This is a small step in the right direction.

[Forkboy]

50. Or hated after being praised.

I'm not thrilled with her regardless, but I've seen many people defend her here.

[Dinger]

85. That Would Be My Prediction Too (nt)

[mmonk]

36. She's looking at it I suppose from an electoral collge

point of view I suppose. Also, possibly at the current tone of the campaign and possible alienation of the AA vote which has increasingly become polarized as a result of the last few weeks.

[ericgtr]

39. It is based on delegates, those are the rules

I don't understand the opposition to this. Is it only because it doesn't favor your candidate that the rules must be dismissed?

[Drachasor]

40. On #3, it isn't like Hillary has a chance of getting the Popular Vote now anyhow

Michigan is going to be redone at the very least, which dooms Hillary's chance, since a fair Michigan vote will just about split the State 50-50.

[ORDem]

48. It's worse than that actually, since as soon as the MI re-vote plans are in place

her current delegate/vote count from MI goes POOF until June. The gap will be glaring in the meantime. If FL does a re-vote, the same thing happens plus Obama is sure to do better since there will only be two names on the ballot in a FL re-vote.

:dem:

[XemaSab]

59. Edwards got 14%

That's a lot of folks who could throw it to Obama.

Meanwhile, even though Hillary had the name recognition, she only got 50%.

[ampad]

41. Good for Nancy

It's so funny how some of you Hillary supporters are trying to chide folks for giving Nancy a clap for doing something good for the party for a change. I'm sure many of you were willing to overlook, forgive or put aside the fact that Hillary voted for this unjust war, because many of you support her despite of that. I'm not happy with Nancy saying impeachment is off the table but I don't deal in black and white absolute thinking either, that is a repug trait. If Nancy does something for the good of the party then I will say good for her, it doesn't mean I'm not pissed about her impeachment statement. Just like some of you overlook the many faults of Clinton ,for instance, her Iraq war vote which she just now, after being strong armed, said she regretted.


Good for Nancy!

[SwampG8r]

78. she was right about impeachment

it would have been played as gotcha for clintons impeachment
it would have tied our govt in more partisan infighting
it would kill any cooperation from the reps (not much to start with but dead)
it would gaurantee a backlash during the election cycle
it would be moot as it wouldnt play out until after nov 2008


nancy since taking office has been diligent in keeping the party on track to this nov
shes not my hero
i disagree with a lot she has said and done
but her path if you look is very clear
shes doing the parties work
she wants us to gain seats in both houses this fall
and take the white house in nov

compare that to "me me win at all cost" and see which you are more comfortable with
so for this
thank you nancy you are on target again

go obama

[Zhade]

113. Letting criminals walk is NEVER right.

NT!

[mtnsnake]

42. The Primaries aside, Nany Pelosi is 1 of the biggest disappointments in the history of Democrats

...if not the biggest. She jumped in bed with George Bush the minute we took over Congress in 2006. :puke:

[jlake]

68. Yeah - that doesn't get in the way of her being Obamamaniac's new demigod.

:eyes:

[loveangelc]

43. I love you Nancy you're ~fierce~

[TwilightGardener]

46. Thanks, Nancy! Love ya!

[TriMetFan]

51. My respect for this women went out the door.........

when she took the Impeachment of Bush off the table. It makes me wonder who she really supports.

[Warren Stupidity]

54. Clinton is going to hear this publicly a lot from now on.

Presumably she has been hearing it privately since super tuesday and the pleas for her to withdraw as she cannot win have been falling on deaf ears. So now the pressure from the party leadership for her to face reality has gone public.

[adoraz]

55. LOL awesome!!

[Obamaniac]

56. I'm not sure why Clinton supporters are so convinced they will win popular vote

Even if you include Florida and Michigan (where Obama got no votes at all), Hillary is trailing in the popular vote right now.

There will be a "do-over" in Michigan at least which means that Obama will gain at least two hundred to three hundred THOUSAND votes there alone (after all any vote total is better than zero). If you don't count either MI or FL, Obama leads by 700,000 votes RIGHT NOW. If you count only Florida he leads by 400,000 RIGHT NOW.

Asides from Pennsylvania, Obama is expected to win the vast majority of upcoming states including the three biggest ones: North Carolina, Oregon and Indiana. The only other state Hillary is doing well in, and can be expected to win, is tiny West Virginia which shouldn't net too many votes for her.

So I simply don't see where she will make up the huge deficit she finds herself in.

My prediction is that Obama will win pledged delegates and states won (ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY) and he will also win the popular vote (NEAR CERTAINTY).

So i'm not sure what you Clinton supporters are being all uppity about. Can I take this to mean that if Obama should beat Hillary in the pop. vote after the primaries are over in early June, you will be calling for her to step down? Or will the goal posts change yet again?

[Warren Stupidity]

57. I expect our friends here to continue right to Denver.

Hopefully Skinner et al will make an executive decision before then.

[democrattotheend]

60. She has not formally endorsed Obama, has she?

Although I think it's pretty obvious where she stands at this point.

[Freedom Train]

65. Innocent question...

I seem to recall reading a statement by her some weeks back, it may even have been before the California primary, saying essentially that super delegates should vote according to the will of their constituents. Since Hillary won CA, does she still plan on voting for Hillary? From this it would seem fairly obvious she would not do that, but has she officially committed to Obama yet?

[Freedom Train]

72. I just watched the video on the ABC website

And found her to be much more diplomatic than the OP led on. I'm not sure I'm as certain as her that it will be over anytime soon though.

[Diane R]

83. That was my sense, too. I thought she was much more neutral and non-committal than what I expected.

[woolldog]

114. Her district voted overwhelmingly for Obama

I believe. Obama was strong in the SF Bay Area.

[99th_Monkey]

66. You mean Nancy's actually getting it right for once?!?! She may redeem herself yet.

for being so "off the table" with the business of protecting the US Constitution...

[jlake]

67. Nancy is nothing if not consistent - always gives the Republicans what they want.

[JackORoses]

69. The Gang of Five Strikes Again!

Huzzah for Nancy Pelosi!
:party:

[SwampG8r]

71. RIP nancy

you are now dead to clintonistas

go obama

[gulliver]

73. Pelosi hurts Clinton most by being so bad as first female Speaker

Clinton probably supported Murtha for speaker or some other grave sin. Pelosi is out of her depth. She is a poor example of female leadership, unfairly undermining the concept.

[JVS]

116. At least she has her own resume.

[metalluk]

76. Just one more reason

to abandon the Democratic nominee if Obama wins. It will also be remembered if Pelosi ever runs for national office.

[BeyondGeography]

77. She remembers what an utter waste of time the Clintons proved to be in the first iteration

and now, they're worth even less to the party when you look at Obama's impact down-ticket compared with hers.

She brings no new voters or enthusiasm and lots of baggage to the process. That simple.

[mtnsnake]

82. What a flaming pantload. You sound exactly like any other hate-filled anti-Clinton republican.

Congratulations!

[BeyondGeography]

87. And did I mention she has lost two states for every one that she has won

and that she has exceeded 60% once while Obama has cleared that mark 16 times?

Any other frontrunner that has underperformed as badly as her and found herself in the same hopeless situation would have been drummed out of the race by now. But, take heart, there's an army of Clinton personality slaves such as you still willing to overindulge Her Majesty.

[cooolandrew]

84. Nancy has integrity. god bless her Nancy for VP. Integrity is being a Democrat Love her.

[dailykoff]

88. Where has that hard-ass Pelosi been the last two years?

Now we're getting somewhere! :thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

89. in bed with George Walker Bush, where else.

[dailykoff]

92. And Steny makes three. Pelosi tried to get Murtha in

and instead we got stuck with a Clinton stooge.

[MyNameGoesHere]

90. I took Nancy "Off the table" long ago. She is nothing. n/t

[anigbrowl]

91. Reality bites, eh?

I can see how you'd feel disappointed with Pelosi in recent years. On the other hand, when you consider the size of our congressional and sentorial majorities (slim and none), the reality is that neither impeachment nor forced withdrawal have been viable options. On the whole I think we've done pretty well over the last 15 months in bringing the Bush/GOP machine to a screeching halt. People who expected to see articles of impeachment in January 2007 were/are living in a self-righteous fantasy land.

[jconner27]

94. For 5.

Nancy nor Obama supporters shouldn't be too sure about that..I'm prepare to stay home or vote for Nader better yet the other parties on the ballot.

[DerekJ]

95. kick

[sueragingroz]

96. Pelosi is kinda playing this poorly

what if Hillary wins?

what sort of relationship will Nancy have with Hillary then?

It seems pretty short sighted to me.

[Binka]

Stop With The Junior High Bullshit

Nancy knows Hillary will not win and she is laying down the gauntlet. Nancy does not suffer from myopia or who is "cuter" syndrome. She just handed Hillary her ass. Hillary needs to just bow out with some class and we all know she will not do that. So the hard cores are gonna kick her ass to the curb. Get ready for it. Not a minute too soon.

[meow mix]

97. I LOVE YOU NANCY!!!!!!!!!!!

woot
:applause:

[kwenu]

98. Pelosi has a solid grip on reality. Hillary supporters are living in a fantasy world.

Especially if they think the person with the most pledged delegates won't win the nomination.

[Breeze54]

99. Pelosi said she's staying neutral. She hasn't endorsed anyone....

last I heard. Got a link to that endorsement?

[GarbagemanLB]

103. She said the superdelegates should follow the will of the pledged delegates. There is no way Hillary

can catch Obama in pledged delegates due to the proportional system of the DNC.

[Breeze54]

105. That's not an endorsement.

[DerekJ]

100. kick

[Breeze54]

101. 'Pelosi Endorses' -- "Pelosi has stayed neutral throughout this race, and remains so."

Pelosi Endorses

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/pelosi-endorses.html

March 12, 2008 9:44 AM

OK, not really. But in an interview with New England Cable News, Speaker of the House Nancy
Pelosi, D-Calif., seems to take sides as to why a "fusion" or "dream ticket" ain't in the cards.

"I think that ticket either way is impossible," Pelosi said.

And why?

“I think that the Clinton administration has fairly ruled that out by proclaiming that
Senator McCain would be a better Commander in Chief than Obama.”

"I wanted to be sure I didn't leave any ambiguity," she added.

Pelosi has stayed neutral throughout this race, and remains so.

But many on Capitol Hill suspect that it would make sense for her heart to be with Obama, given
that he's generally more liberal than Clinton, and Pelosi no doubt was not a fan of the Clinton
White House's "triangulations" against the Democratic Congress in the 1990s.

Then there's the notion put forward by Obama supporters that Obama would be more competitive in
Red States...and unless Speaker Pelosi doesn't want to end up House Minority Leader Pelosi, she'd
better figure out a way to get some strength on the top of the ticket so as to help secure the jobs
of all those new Democratic Representatives from Indiana, North Carolina, Kansas and the like.

[TheZug]

102. Pelosi is dead to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Captain_Nemo]

104. Call her on Monday.

[Spider Jerusalem]

107. And tell her...

what? 'Don't you understand? Hillary deserves to win this!!! It's her turn, damn you!!!'

[DesEtoiles]

108. These have been the rules from the start and the rules have not changed.

Hillary has this "mad hope" that she's going to break the system in her favor.

[Zhade]

109. Cool.

NT!

[DemVet]

118. Nancy is crazier than a shithouse mouse.

Especially on numbers 2 and 4. Hillary WILL NOT quit and superdelegates DO NOT have to follow the will of the people. I think either Nancy is crazy or this piece has been made up.

[Jennicut]

121. I though Nancy was neutral so as to help forge a deal before the Dem convention

Looks like we Dems are going to need some deal brokers or facilitators or whatever anyone here wants to call them.