Switching my Support to Dean. Removing it from Clark. I apologize to all the 2004 Dean supporters

[meow mix]

this comes a bit late.

i made a bad choice back then..
its evident Clark will not denounce Hillary's dirtiest ever seen, traitorous, race baiting tactics.


It is also clear Dean is the one who cares about the party, and cares for truth. this election reinforces that fact.

[MoJoWorkin]

1. Thank you , from a 2004 Deaniac

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. I Look Forward To Your Next 4 Year Later Apology.

[Debi]

3. So snarky for a Sunday morning

x(

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. I Edited The Snark In Half, Ok? LOL

But only because I don't like seeing you mad....

[Debi]

5. Sorry, dear

Not to ask for your sympathy but I had dental work done earlier in the week and am still smarting from it AND I sat through a 10-hour county convention yesterday in pain and whiny! :cry:

But your being kind to me makes the pain that much more bearable :hug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. I Had A Root Canal That's Been Drivin Me Nuts All Week Too! So I Feel Your Pain (No Pun Intended).

Though I must say, the vicoprofen is great for a rainy day...

Hang in there though! :hug:

[Debi]

10. Ouch! Sorry to hear of your pain!

Guess it's soup and ice cream for both of us for a while! :loveya:

[eridani]

35. What is this? Be mean to your teeth week?

Me three.

[meow mix]

13. thanks, sorry about the dentalry

blah that sucks

[XemaSab]

23. I'm switching my support from Gravel to Mercer!

(all three)

[Inspired]

6. I hope that Clark supporters from 2004,

who now support Obama, understand that they were only really helping Clinton make a run in 2008. Unless some miracle happened and Clark won. (And it would have taken a miracle.) Then we would have had a Clark/Clinton ticket back in 2004. That was the plan all along.

I was an Edwards supporter in 2004 but I understand better now what a fine candidate we had with Howard Dean. I admire him very, very much.

[tokenlib]

9. Well, I just can't be that cynical...

Then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for someone who would make a great president--I believed in and supported Wes until he made his choice for Hillary---and now I believe in Obama because I think he stands for much of what I saw in Clark.

I wish someone did a survey of Clarkies to see where we all ended up---I think most of his 2004 activists are with Obama today--I'd like to know if I'm right.

[Inspired]

11. I think you are right based on what I've seen.

I'm not usually cynical. It never really crossed my mind that there was a plan until I eavesdropped on a conversation between some very influential, and powerful, party insiders in Iowa back in 2005. That really opened my eyes.

I wasn't a Clark supporter because I barely knew who he was. I wasn't involved in blogs and internet forums back then so I didn't see all of the support. All I knew was some General, who was very in with the Clinton's, was running.....but he was for some reason bypassing Iowa.

It was very unusual from the beginning the more you think about it.

[krkaufman]

37. 2005 or 2004? n/t

[roseBudd]

26. I am a Clarkie, I am for Obama, my gut tells me he is Secratariat ... Hill is Seabiscuit

I am putting my money on Secretariat

[KittyWampus]

8. That's where I am too. BIG Clark supporter/defender in the day. I understood he decided

to go with the Clintons. It's his choice. However, I remember defending him against all the many DU'ers who called him ringer and that he was just running to siphon votes from Dean.

Clark is welcome to support the Clintons, but it has somewhat diminished my admiration a bit.

My hope is it's just political niavete.

Meanwhile, having Dean in the DNC building the party was perhaps a gift from the Universe.

I support what he is doing and how he is enforcing the rules McAuliffe set in place and also enforced.

[tokenlib]

12. I write it off as Clark loyalty to his former commander in chief--n/t

[goclark]

17. Suggest a good name for me ~ gowasclark? nogoclark?

I want to feel he has loyalty to Billary but I am disappointed non the less.

I feel a name change coming on in the near future and I sure hope I can change it to goObamanow
or goCHANGE
or goHOPE

or Yes.Go.Can.

or Yes.Go.Can.Change :bounce:

[Cha]

29. How about "GObama!" if all works out?

After the primaries I think Skinner and the admins give us a chance to change our usenames without losing our post count:)

[goclark]

30. Thanks ~ I didn't know the process

I am so hopeful that Obama will win.

[JI7]

40. keep your name, we know who you are, littleclarkie has kept hers

even when she switched to being a Kerry supporter and now supports Obama.

[krkaufman]

38. And fellow Arkansans

Clark's been a chum of the Clintons for years.

[krkaufman]

39. Yeah, I view Obama's early opposition to the war ...

... and his understanding that we need to expand the Democratic Party by appealing to independents and disaffected Republicans echo reasons I supported Clark.

[Hawkeye-X]

14. Welcome home

You are forgiven :hug:

I even had the courage to forgive FrenchieCat and I love her posts!!!

Hawkeye-X

[democrattotheend]

15. LOL, isn't it funny

How some of the battles being fought now are proxies for the ones we fought four years ago. Except assuming Dean privately supports Obama (which I am 95% sure he does), he and Kerry are on the same side now.

Too bad people like you can't go back and make Dean the nominee four years ago. Although honestly, after the election I was grateful that he didn't get the nomination...if he had gotten it and lost the general it would have been a huge blow to the ability of the grassroots to pick our nominee in the future.

[XemaSab]

24. I would LOVE to see a political history of the party

From 1992 to 2008 and beyond...

The fact that the name Bill Bradley is cropping up now... :o

[slinkerwink]

16. thank you. I am all about the Democratic Party

and it bothers me to see others not putting the party first as well.

[Quixote1818]

18. I am feeling the same way and I was a HUGE Clark fan. Worked my ass off for him

and was very nasty to Dean at times. I was wrong about Dean and to some extent, wrong about Clark. Though I still really like Clark.

[meow mix]

19. yeah maybe i shouldnt be to harsh on clark but the "damaged goods" project she has going on.

its really low.
and i know they all see it, and know it.

just wish he would not be a part of the kitchen sink campaign.

[IndianaGreen]

20. On behalf of the other Deaniacs, I accept your apology

Let's hope the party doesn't crash and burn in Denver. Time for grown ups to step in.

[Tom Joad]

21. I am throwing my support to Fredrick Douglass, only anti-war option

Frederick Douglass, former slave, extraordinary speaker and writer, wrote in his Rochester newspaper the
North Star, January 21, 1848, of "the present disgraceful, cruel, and iniquitous war with our sister republic. Mexico seems a doomed victim to Anglo Saxon cupidity and love of dominion." Douglass was scornful of the unwillingness of opponents of the war to take real action (even the abolitionists kept paying their taxes):

The determination of our slaveholding President to prosecute the war, and the probability of his success in wringing from the people men and money to carry it on, is made evident, rather than doubtful, by the puny opposition arrayed against him. No politician of any considerable distinction or eminence seems willing to hazard his popularity with his party ... by an open and unqualified disapprobation of the war. None seem willing to take their stand for peace at all risks; and all seem willing that the war should be carried on, in some form or other.

[Cha]

25. You are goin' back,

Tom Joad!

[XemaSab]

22. Um... WELCOME ABOARD!

:D

:rofl:

[Breeze54]

27. It's OK, Sleeping Beauty...... you're awake now!

Sleeping Beauty eats a poison 'Clark' apple... :P


....and falls into deep four year sleep.


Prince Dean wakes her up with a scream in 2008...


... and all is good and right with the world again!


:P

[Cha]

28. I didn't know you were a Clarkie,

meowmix..

Thank you, for stating your reasons ..no need to apologize,though..those were the days when we could have real discussions about our candidates even though at time we thought we were on the front lines I never put anyone on Ignore.

But, you're right..it is clear that Dean cares about the Party and it's hard to know at first just who to trust.

[JVS]

31. To Howard Dean

:toast:

[Cha]

32. Can't have enough toasts to him!

:toast: :bounce: :patriot: :party:

[Duder]

33. Better late than never

Welcome to the cult. :)

“I don't want to be divided any more by race; I don't want to be divided any more by gender; and I don't want to be divided any more by sexual orientation.” – Howard Dean

[stillcool]

34. He is part of the posse...

and he always has been. I still like the guy.

[krkaufman]

36. I've also come to regret my failure to support Dean in 2004 ...

... in favor of Clark, and all the more now, with Clark's attacking Samantha Power's statement of fact, his support of Clinton's elevating a Republican candidate over the Democratic frontrunner, and his support of a candidate who has demonstrated incredibly bad judgment in voting for the AUMF/Iraq resolution and the Kyl/Lieberman amendment.

And Dean's vision, approach and results since the election have shown how great a leader he truly is.

[LittleClarkie]

41. I was a Clarkie then a Kerrycrat. Still a Kerrycrat. But I stand by Gov. Dean

He cares about the party. He wins, and Hillary people try to bring him down anyway.

I'm proud that my candidate is helping to record more Dems in each state for Dean's voter rolls. Hillary isn't.

[Adelante]

42. To Chairman Dean - hear, hear!

:toast:

And to General Clark - for answering our call in 2004, for working nonstop to seat Democrats in Congress in 2006, and for being a great patriot and warrior for his country. I can never thank him enough for these things.

[LTR]

43. I have to admit, I'm kinda with you

I am eating a serious helping of humble pie in doing it, as I was a big Clark supporter back in the day, and did a lot of warring with the Dean folks.

I understand Clark is tight with the Clintons. But he needs to conduct himself with a bit more class. Dean's legacy, meanwhile, has shined. He's the first DNC chair in a long time with anything resembling a spine.