Only on DU could Nancy Pelosi go from goat to heroine the second it's learned she's anti-Clinton

[mtnsnake]

in the Primary race. LOL!

[joeybee12]

1. I know...can we get a list of all the Pelosi-bashing threads that were

here prior to her canonization today?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

2. Politics Is A Fickle Game. It Just Is.

[Arkana]

3. Pelosi's still on my shitlist.

Not every Obama supporter suddenly thinks she's wonderful.

I just think she's seeing the writing on the wall.

[joeybee12]

4. Or wants to let people know she's still a player...

...we're dealing with huge egos here people, all around.

[ericgtr]

6. Agreed

she has done a terrible job. I have stated from the beginning that Obama doesn't need her endorsement and I still stand by it.

[Kittycat]

10. While I agree - I also see that her hands are tied.

She doesn't have the majority that she needs to be veto-proof. She knows she can get that with Obama. With Clinton - she's dead in the water (more so than she currently is).

ETA: I think in our fervor toward justice, we lose site of the bigger picture - and it's implications on public perception while we're a country deeply divided. The fact remains we NEED indies to support us - even crossover republicans. We need that this year. And we have to be careful how we move forward to ensure that. I would expect come november, the gloves will come off - though. If not, I'll be the first to pick up that phone to call for her seat.

[movonne]

5. Yeah, kinda like the Hillary supporters going from KO as a wonderful

man to a hack...

[ampad]

36. Thank you

and every other progressive voice that doesn't agree with them on the issue of Hillary.

[boston bean]

7. So true!

She has been a deep disappointment, along with Harry Reid.

[Arkana]

11. Who could replace her after the '08 election?

I was thinking a Democrat with a bit more backbone (and no one say Kucinich...I know he'd be the ideal choice but he'd have no chance). Sadly, I have no suggestions in mind.

For Senate, though, I would suggest the one who blinks first in this primary to replace Reid. He's been about as effective as wet pasta.

[Tellurian]

8. I'm very disappointed with Nancy Pelosi..

I thought seeing she came from a political family background she would be more skilled in the art of politics. It appears she is so enamored with herself and her position, she has lost sight of the responsibility and power her postion commands.

[mtnsnake]

14. Its amazing how so many DU'ers change their tune the instant she shows preference in the Primaries

All anyone has to do to see this interesting change of events on DU is to check out some of the latest posts about her after it was learned she's choosing sides in the Primaries. Suddenly it's irrelevant to some of those people what a fucking disaster she's been for us as House Speaker.

[Tellurian]

19. Yes, If I remember correctly.. It was shocking to hear her

At the JJ Dinner in Iowa introducing Obama as the next President of the US. As host of the event, that was really insulting to all the other candidates and very poor form on her part.

[cali]

9. as someone who's taken an inordinate amount of shit for defending

Pelosi, I have no problem welcoming her comments. I've never said I think she's a great Speaker, but I sure have defended her here from the attacks I thought were unwarranted.

[TwilightGardener]

12. Works for me! Goooo, Nancy!!!

[book_worm]

13. or Keith O, Randi, Stephanie Miller, and Rachel Madow

those terrible lefties who dare say anything bad about Hillary's rotten campaign.

[niceypoo]

21. They are obsessed with Hillary....

Ed Schultz is the most obsessed. Saying something bad is one thing, but attempting to destroy someone, and attacking her supporters, is a level of discourse we have never seen in the Democratic party before.

Obama supporters seem to exude a scorched earth form of 'Hope'

[babylonsister]

15. Ummm, who took impeachment off the table? Doesn't that deserve

some criticism? Having said that, I can also applaud her on other topics. It's not either-or.

[mtnsnake]

18. The way she took impeachment off the table, & the timing of it, was disgraceful.

Why would you possibly think I wouldn't be critical of her taking impeachment off the table? I've been very vocal about her doing that. AFAIC, Pelosi jumped right into bed with Bush the minute we took over Congress and hasn't gotten out of it yet.

[KittyWampus]

31. The way Bill Clinton allowed BCCI and Iran/Contra get swept under the rug CAUSED the mess we're in

[mtnsnake]

34. I see you're another DU'er who bought into the 24/7 propaganda of DU's version of Tokyo Rose

Nice try at hijacking the thread, Pelosi lover.

[Bonobo]

16. Who said she's a heroine, a-hat?

[goldcanyonaz]

17. Just like Reagan did after Obama expressed his adoration for him.

Nothing surprises me anymore.

[KittyWampus]

29. ah, but the reality is Obama never expressed his adoration for Reagan. Liar. Clintons however

allowed Reagan's policies to continue unabated and his criminal politicians to go unpunished.

[leftofcool]

20. Is the the same "impeachment is off the table" Nancy

with piss poor approval ratings?

[maddiejoan]

22. Last week on DU

Pelosi was still Neville Chamberlain in a pair of sensible pumps.

[zabet]

26. ...

:spray:

[Forkboy]

23. Like both sides haven't played that game.

Ted Kennedy got trashed, Krugman got trashed, Olberman got trashed, Rhodes got trashed...

Try to be fair, because you're falling waaaay fucking short of that mark lately.

[mtnsnake]

33. You are correct, but my disdain for Pelosi has been consistent & will remain so

Even if Nancy Pelosi endorsed Hillary tomorrow, my disdain for her would not change an iota. Pelosi disgusts me no matter who she supports in this Primary race, and all I'm doing is pointing out a litte hypocrisy here on DU (something, yes, many of us on both sides are guilty of at times) when it's obvious that the local sentiment has changed about her since she made it public who she's for in the race. How soon some people forget (not you) how Pelosi jumped right into the sack with the most despicable president in the history of our country. :puke:

[Forkboy]

37. SNL is the next example.

Two weeks ago Obama fans hated it...one called it Hillary Night Live. Now, those roles will most assuredly switch. What it tells me is these people who bounce back and forth have ideals made of jello, and these people from both camps are the reason why this party has lost it's way. They stand for nothing but winning, and are nothing but fair weather friends...and those suck ass.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. I definitely have not taken her off my shitlist.

And I was frankly surprised that she even bothered to come out like she did. For some reason, just based on the tone of her voice during those interviews that asked her opinion on the subject, and her use of the term "the Clinton administration", it seems more that she is bitter against the Clintons as opposed to having made the statements as supportive of Obama. If she was truly supportive of Obama, then she could have just outright endorsed him after the CA election when he won San Francisco. But then I expect she feels that her endorsement could get more air-time if timed right.

It just appears to me that there is some bad blood going on between Pelosi and the Clintons.

[KittyWampus]

25. Hillary supporters have NO integrity attacking Pelosi from the Left. Clintons cave to the GOP,

protect their power structure and war crimes and use their tactics.

[annie1]

27. happy to say, i was never big on her. :D. So far no one i like has gone...

anti-clinton. some have gone pro-obama, but none anti-clinton.

[zabet]

28. True.

I do not trust Nancy's judgement
if she does not see any reason for
impeachment of the criminals in the
White House.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

30. The irony is that if Clinton loses it's a referendum on Pelosi!

This division in the party isn't about Hillary, it's about the feckless Democratic Congress. Hillary is part of the old guard, along with Pelosi, and and the old guard candidate she's the scape-goat for all of Congress' dithering uselessness.

[anonymeme]

32. Being the 1st Female Speaker Pelosi is anti-Hillary b/c She Thinks She Has a Shot at 1st Female Prez

Being the 1st Female Speaker Pelosi is anti-Hillary b/c She Thinks She Has a Shot at 1st Female Prez


Pelosi promised big for the new Democratic Congress and so far has produced about squat, but now she's a hero to the Obama people, because she dumps on Hillary?!

Talk about a Queen "B!"

I've stuck up for Granny Nancy on other forums, saying that it took Bush 6 years to get us into this mess and to give her more than a year to get everything back in order -- but from the looks of it, she may not come through with the hoped for changes -- at least with any kind of timely alacrity...

But her working against Hillary is the final straw for me with Pelosi.

[Umbram]

35. Yea...and she didn't go from heroine to goat in anybody's eyes...

Does the other side of the coin ever even occur to you, or has bias short circuited any reasoning you may have been able to bring to the table?

[damndude]

38. impeachment

while bush and his presidency have risen to the justifiable level of high crimes and misdemeanors, i can't be the only one that realizes it was never gonna happen even she did have the votes to bring it to the floor. besides the fact that it would mire the country in political war for the last 2 years of bush's term, taint any democrat either supporting or not supporting(and there would be some not supporting), interfere with the business at hand when it came to iraq and attempting to rebuild a democratic base in preparation for the '08 elections as we are now politically able to run the election season as a referendum on bush and anyone associated with him and his policies, the biggest problem is that it would be viewed as a gotcha back for the republican impeachment of bill clinton and thus have almost zero credibility that would have doomed it and blackened the democratic congress worse than it already is.
the only person we can hold responsible for that is bill clinton for allowing his personal failing to cripple the party and it's leaders when the nation should have been able to had the moral authority the haul bush before congress and remove him and cheney from office.
his focus on his own political success int he 90's is what lost democrats the control of congress and when the republicans came into power the took every tool they had to consolidate that power and he gave them the weapon to hit him over the head with. it was his arrogance that made him believe no one overlook the fact he was/is a serial philanderer.
his behavior caused the option of impeachment to be reduced a national joke.
i have real issues with pelosi and Reid's management of the respective chambers and their leadership of the party in doing battle with bush. but the problem with bringing impeachment charges are not of their own making. i think she has been future minded and has gotten no credit for it.

[mtnsnake]

42. Bullshit. She threw in the towel on impeachment w/o even giving it an iota of consideration

No matter what her thoughts were of impeachment, the way she broadcasted that "impeachment is off the table" the instant we took over in Congress was absolutely pathetic, sinful, shameful, embarrassing, and a sign that Dems would once again roll over and play nice with Republicans. Nancy Pelosi is sickening to even watch anymore.

[damndude]

39. this should as well include hillary.......

since it is her assertion that she was intricately involved in her husband's administration that we essentially had 2 presidents and the impeachment was only borne out of the investigations of their joint business dealings and their recurring problems with truth and transparency.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. now ain't that a bucket of thruth

[MonkeyFunk]

41. But I just watched her on MTP...

she spoke glowingly about both candidates, and said they're both excellent and either will make an excellent candidate and an excellent president. She just doesn't believe they'll run together, but she said EITHER candidate will lead a "dream team" into the general election.

[mtnsnake]

46. Pelosi is the epitome of Dems rolling over & playing nice with Repukes

It doesn't matter to me one bit (and I'm pretty sure not to you either) if she's changing her tune on MTP from the way she worded it just days ago.

I can't ever rememeber a bigger Democratic disappointment than Nancy Pelosi, with the only possible exception being Eliot Spitzer, who I also had real high hopes for.

Pelosi takes the cake, though. From taking impeachment off the table the second we took over in Congress, to doing very little about getting us out of Iraq, to jumping into bed with George W Bush, this Speaker has stunk up the joint like few other Democrats.

[barack the house]

43. I think she could make a good vp.She seems to be standing up more now.

Never called her names myself personally, just wished more from her but her arms were tied in a lot of ways.

[onehandle]

44. Yep. Logic is at a new low at DU. nt

[Bake]

45. I thought we were impeaching her just a few months ago.

Strange, huh.

Bake