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thesubstanceofdreams (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:58 AM Original message |
Obama has been vetted, Hillary hasn't |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. My confidence in him has certainly improved. nt |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. My confidence in him has plummeted. n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
2. Your OP is a joke. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. What part of the Clintons' not being put under a microscope for the last 6 years is a joke. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. You live in a bubble--and BO's air is slowing coming out --due to his racializing this primary. |
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guidod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. Obama racialized the primary... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. His lackluster condemnation of Wright's racism won't play in Middle America |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #51 |
72. lackluster? |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. In reading this forum you would think Clinton was polling at 30%. She's not, they're tied. |
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thesubstanceofdreams (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I very much agree |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. And she has NOT been vetted. And they are NOT tied. She is 170 delegates behind. She is LOSING |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. She's losing on the popular VOTE, pledged delegates, and States won |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. No they aren't tied. |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Believing it's not close is nonsense. You're just such a diehard Obamabot. The party is severed. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Given the Michigan revote (which is necessary), Hillary essentially can't catch up at this point |
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Window (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
35. Do you mind being called a Hillarybot??? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. that's just nutty |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
25. They're not tied, cgaz, no matter how much you wish they were. |
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LordJFT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
63. where'd you get that statistic, your ass? |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
68. If by "tied" you mean "irreparably behind", then yes. n/t |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
79. How do you come to the conclusion they're tied? That makes no sense. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. Obama has not been vetted. Your thread title is inaccurate.. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. When an issue with substance comes up, let me know |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Obama's spiritual beliefs are an issue of substance.. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. I'm denying that 2 sermons by Wright reflect Wright's overall beliefs let along Obama's |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You can deny away. Where's the proof your statement is True? |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. The fact that news stations have access to a ton of sermons, and only 2 have objectionable material |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Then again, this may be the tip of the iceberg.. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Obama has shown a lot of honesty and integrity. There is no reason to believe he has secret... |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Well, considering Obama's spiritual adviser is Wright |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. He had a lot of mentors in the Senate, you're just spreading FUD without substance |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Colleagues maybe.. but Lieberman is an assigned mentor.. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. He was assigned, what's your point? |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. How about his ties to Louis Farrakhan? The Wright issue is important. |
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Drachasor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Oh yes, Obama likes a guy who likes another guy, but that other guy we don't like so much... |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. How many of his sermons have you heard from the pew? eom |
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guidod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Why do you say his spiritual views |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. Let's see. obama doesn't know what his adviser, wright, SAYS and THINKS.......... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Wright is a Leftists advocating positions ANY Democrat should support. Meanwhile Clinton's cult |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Yes, I think ANY Democrat should support bigotry toward Caucasians. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. the fact you would call Wright a bigot shows how skewed your view is. So you buy Hannity's spin |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #18 |
26. BO wants to transend race--yet he associates himself with divisive politics. He is doomed. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. NO. I buy Webster's spin.................. |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. i have yet |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. 'Supposed' looks like REALITY in the video........... |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. please |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. As I was saying, bigotry is a two way street. NEITHER are right! |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
71. i asked for the bigotry in wright;'s statements. |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. WELL NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT! I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this BUT........... |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. okay.... |
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beezlebum (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. "bigotry toward caucasians?" ...odd... |
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thesubstanceofdreams (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Obama answered ANY questions about Rezko that the Chicago Tribune had |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. was off Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee as of last night |
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Double T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. YOU think the CT wants to sink their state's favorite son? right. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
31. The Sun-Times too. He spent 90+ minutes with the Trib and 80 minutes |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
11. This Friday for Obama will look like child's play when compared to The Clinton's problems. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Not even corruption |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
17. The real issues of this election will be the economy, the war and who profited |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
22. If all they have is a form of the southern strategy, |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
28. I was amused to see Obama appear on Olbermann ... not a gutsy |
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thesubstanceofdreams (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. He also appeared on Hannity |
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Fredda Weinberg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I'm not ignoring an appearance on Fox ... I don't watch the channel |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
29. Ken Starr spent $75 million digging up dirt on Hillary and came up Empty handed...SHE"S WELL VETTED |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
56. Oh they looked at every Clinton document with x-ray machine for years |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. They couldn't look at documents she refuses to release. |
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texas_indy (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
78. Hillary is NOT well vetted. Bill was the one being investigated by Starr, not her. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Great point - When you go from 1.2 million to over 25 million in 7 years... |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
32. Yep that is very true really it has improved him as a person really. Obama new & improved. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
38. Editorial from today's Chi-Trib: |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
43. Reality check: this decision will be made before both are vetted |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
54. He hasn't been vetted. He only talks when evidence is thrown at him |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
59. Of course, you know, the vet's not supposed to kill the horse. |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
61. hillary was vetted for 8+ solid years. please put down the kool-aide. nt |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
65. I Was NOT Hoping He'd Crumble, And Hillary Has Been Vetted A LOT Longer Than Obama |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Papers that she refuses to release have not been vetted. Period. eom |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Newslash: Obama Isn't As Pure As The Driven Snow, So Let's Talk ISSUES, O.K.? |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. For someone so inexperienced, he sure has run an impressive campaign. |
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casus belli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. He impresses me more with each response. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
73. Nope. Neither one has been vetted, and neither will be. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
75. LOL |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
76. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. WTF is Obama gonna do when the REAL vetting starts? |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. "The Goddess of Peace is as clean as a pin" ..Dellusional much?!!!! |
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MediaBabe (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
81. Do you even know what vetted means? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 03:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
86. Do you? |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
82. The Clintons act like they are hiding some dirty laundry. |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 02:34 AM Response to Original message |
83. Is this the joke of the day? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 02:42 AM Response to Original message |
85. Huh? Hillary was the presumptive nominee all last year. Obama for what? A month? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-17-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. And Hillary was left unvetted the whole time. |
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