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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:58 AM
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Obama has been vetted, Hillary hasn't
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 AM by thesubstanceofdreams
Vetting comes with being the presumptive nominee. Both the Clinton camp and the repugs have been throwing everything they had at Obama, and as far as the primary goes it isn't working. Obama has confronted the issues head on, answered all questions, and moved on. He has taken small hits in the polls, but those have been shortlived. He has proved he can run an effective campaign and is very able to defuse the attacks.

That Hillary has been fully vetted is nothing but a fantasy of her supporters. May be she (or rather her husband) were vetted in the 90s, but that was long time ago. Her refusal to release her tax returns and earmarks suggest she has something to hide. Even with all the crap coming at him in the last couple of weeks, Obama still performs about the same as Hillary vs McCain, better than Hillary in primary polls, continues to gain both pledged and superdelegates, and has higher positives than negatives, unlike Hillary.

Hillary supporters were openly hoping he would crumble at the first roadblock, but it was in fact the opposite. He's emerging stronger than ever.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 AM
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1. My confidence in him has certainly improved. nt
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 PM
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50. My confidence in him has plummeted. n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:59 AM
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2. Your OP is a joke.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM
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10. What part of the Clintons' not being put under a microscope for the last 6 years is a joke.
It's deadly serious.

Their tax returns
Their archives
Her Earmarks
The Library Donors

All the filthy money Bill has made using his days as POTUS to reap 54 million dollar bank account.

Hillary's spiritual mentor, Doug Coe and her Prayer Cell with right wing, Theocrat extremists.

Bill's affairs
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 AM
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24. You live in a bubble--and BO's air is slowing coming out --due to his racializing this primary.
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM
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40. Obama racialized the primary...
...please tell me where you get that crap.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM
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51.  His lackluster condemnation of Wright's racism won't play in Middle America
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:07 PM
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72. lackluster?
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 06:28 PM by beezlebum
he called this person, who has related as an uncle he does not always agree with, who married he and his wife, who baptized his children, who has been a part of his life for 2 decades, "inflammatory." he called his statements "appalling." and said "i reject outright the statements by rev wright."

lackluster in what way? what would appease you? burning him at the stake? taking him to the guillotine?

i would hope obama wouldn't turn his back on someone he has been so close to for so long. that would be like me turning my back on my grandma because she went crazy-eyed republican on me and won't stop sending me phony andy rooney racist/classist/sexist monologues.

ps- what was clinton's response again to the ferraro comment? what was that muslim thing she said? about obama? and so on?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:00 AM
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3. In reading this forum you would think Clinton was polling at 30%. She's not, they're tied.
It's not wishful thinking on our side either, it's reality. This party is split, and we either come together or we fall further apart.

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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:01 AM
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5. I very much agree

The party is split and all democrats have to come together, no doubt about that! :hi:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:01 AM
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6. And she has NOT been vetted. And they are NOT tied. She is 170 delegates behind. She is LOSING
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM
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8. She's losing on the popular VOTE, pledged delegates, and States won
And it is nigh impossible for her to catch up. Public polls aren't the most meaningful yardstick.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM
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15. No they aren't tied.
As Pelosi has made clear. She's 160 pledged delegates in back of him. Not 30 or 50 or even 75 or a hundred, dearie. And he's closing the SD gap. Nancy Pelosi has indicated where her vote is going, and in case you didn't know it, she brings at least a couple of dozen SD votes with her. Believing it's tied is nonsense.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:16 AM
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19. Believing it's not close is nonsense. You're just such a diehard Obamabot. The party is severed.
And, you don't want to come together. Most Clinton supporters have been objective since the beginning, I have yet to see the same from Obama supporters on this forum.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:19 AM
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23. Given the Michigan revote (which is necessary), Hillary essentially can't catch up at this point
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:19 AM by Drachasor
She can't win with fewer states, fewer delegates, and losing the popular vote. That's a fact.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:39 AM
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35. Do you mind being called a Hillarybot???
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:41 AM by Window
Or some other insulting combination of her name.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:18 PM
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64. that's just nutty
hillary supporters are no more objective than Obama supporters. You're looking through a partisan lens. And I'm an Obama supporter who will vote for the nominee. Will you? Oh, and close is not a tie.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 AM
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25. They're not tied, cgaz, no matter how much you wish they were.
He's won 53% of the pledged delegates to her 47%.

I agree that our party is split, but it's hard to come together, when one side refuses to accept the reality of the situation.

IMHO, it's wishful thinking on your part if you believe the superdelegates are going to flock to Clinton, despite her being in 2nd place.

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LordJFT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:41 PM
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63. where'd you get that statistic, your ass?
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:27 PM
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68. If by "tied" you mean "irreparably behind", then yes. n/t
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:19 PM
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79. How do you come to the conclusion they're tied? That makes no sense.
Seriously, please explain.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:00 AM
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4. Obama has not been vetted. Your thread title is inaccurate..
It would be safe to say, Obama is in the throws of a reluctant Vetting process, though..
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:02 AM
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7. When an issue with substance comes up, let me know
On the other hand, I don't care for how Hillary is so secretive. She should have her White House records released and her tax returns for 2006 (at least) released. Transparency is important.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:34 AM
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30. Obama's spiritual beliefs are an issue of substance..
are you denying his Religious beliefs wouldn't affect his prejudicial choices for the SCOTUS?
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:39 AM
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34. I'm denying that 2 sermons by Wright reflect Wright's overall beliefs let along Obama's
The Wright issue is ridiculous.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:47 AM
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39. You can deny away. Where's the proof your statement is True?
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:52 AM
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42. The fact that news stations have access to a ton of sermons, and only 2 have objectionable material
And Obama and others have said the general tenor of Wright's sermons is different. That adds up to plenty of reasons to think this in a non-substantive issue.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:55 AM
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45. Then again, this may be the tip of the iceberg..
enough time hasn't elapsed (just a few days) to be sure. I think we need several more weeks to go by before making any pronouncements the Wright debacle has been put to rest.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:00 PM
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46. Obama has shown a lot of honesty and integrity. There is no reason to believe he has secret...
...spiritual views that are counter to his entire public life. Such an assertion requires evidence to support it, and there is zero evidence.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:21 PM
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47. Well, considering Obama's spiritual adviser is Wright
His wife is a Seperatism advocate and his Senate mentor is Lieberman.. theres a lot of room for thought between the cup and the lip.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:24 PM
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48. He had a lot of mentors in the Senate, you're just spreading FUD without substance
You're as bad as those who talk about Hillary and the Fellowship. If we all had such low standards for belief, then we'd accept almost anything.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:43 PM
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49. Colleagues maybe.. but Lieberman is an assigned mentor..
as is the custom for a jr Senator. There is a thread about it here...I found it on google...fancy that!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4484177#4484410
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:50 PM
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55. He was assigned, what's your point?
And the post you cited cites a speech from March 2006, when Lieberman was still the incumbent Democrat.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:47 PM
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53. How about his ties to Louis Farrakhan? The Wright issue is important.
Hate whitey isn't exactly a messsage of unity.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:53 PM
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58. Oh yes, Obama likes a guy who likes another guy, but that other guy we don't like so much...
Complaining about someone separated by two degrees is a bit ridiculous. You only do this because there is ZERO evidence Obama believes anything controversial like this (and Obama has in fact denounced Farrakhan). Without any kind of evidence, this is just a smear, imho.

Can you come up with anything in Obama's legislative career or any public words that back up this concern? (The answer you are looking for is "no").
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #53
77. How many of his sermons have you heard from the pew? eom
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guidod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #30
44. Why do you say his spiritual views
are an issue? They mean nothing to me.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:04 AM
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9. Let's see. obama doesn't know what his adviser, wright, SAYS and THINKS..........
and doesn't know how much Rezko contributed to his campaign. Sounds a lot like the current regime currently in office; KNOW NOTHINGS.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM
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12. Wright is a Leftists advocating positions ANY Democrat should support. Meanwhile Clinton's cult
is a bunch of power seeking, rightwing extremist Theocrats which any Democrat should ABHOR.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:11 AM
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14. Yes, I think ANY Democrat should support bigotry toward Caucasians.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM
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18. the fact you would call Wright a bigot shows how skewed your view is. So you buy Hannity's spin
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:13 AM by cryingshame
and denounce a man who is a Leftists while ignoring Hillary's right wing power cult.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:22 AM
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26. BO wants to transend race--yet he associates himself with divisive politics. He is doomed.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:23 AM
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27. NO. I buy Webster's spin..................


bigot

Main Entry: big·ot
Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
— big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
— big·ot·ed·ly adverb

Looks like wright, supported by obama for 20 Years, meets the DEFINITION.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:44 AM
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37. i have yet
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 AM by beezlebum
to find "hatred" towards all us poor pathetic oppressed white people in wright's supposed "hate" speech. :eyes:

frustration with all rich white male's running the show perhaps, but aren't we all? it is, after all, the case, no?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #37
52. 'Supposed' looks like REALITY in the video...........
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 12:46 PM by Double T
or will the NEXT excuse be wright was only playacting. Bigotry is a two way street.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #52
57. please
provide a link to it, or cite a specific quotation that implies 'Supposed' bigotry against caucasians. i have watched the "hate compilation" on RW sites and don't see anything that indicates this 'Supposed' bigotry against caucasians. please tell me what the no-white-history-month progressives are seeing that is bigoted against caucasians.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #57
60. As I was saying, bigotry is a two way street. NEITHER are right!
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #60
71. i asked for the bigotry in wright;'s statements.
where is it in wright's comments? you are the only one here saying that what wright has said is bigoted towards caucasians. please- a direct quote- i don't want to defend a bigot. otherwise, you are merely contributing to swiftboating.

we're not just talking about "the black church." we're talking about an individual with a close, two decade-long relationship with barack obama. you have a problem with "the black church." okay, well that's an entirely different thread, and is also bordering on veiled racism in itself, and truly our discussion is bordering on subthreadism already.

vetted. obama. wright. problem? where?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:06 PM
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74. WELL NOW YOU HAVE DONE IT! I was hoping I wouldn't have to do this BUT...........
YOU have left me no recourse. Right between the eyes, here is YOUR DOSE of TRUTH and REALITY!! Read IT and weep!

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977285439

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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:43 PM
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80. okay....
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 10:48 PM by beezlebum
from that rant:
Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

hm...well, he's only really off where he says "months." more like "years" dude. geez, reverend wright, get your fax straight. :eyes:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

seriously, i still can't really call that racist. i guess growing up in a city where black concerns were openly ignored, watching as schools fell apart after desegregation, and were allowed to fester for decades, and seeing such blatant, brazen, atrocious racism occur daily, not to mention katrina...i guess i'll give you that one, but you only get "extreme" points there.

but, still, no...when i consider wright's age, and when i consider the all-too recent history in which blacks were treated as though they were subhuman...sorry- the white dude outrage at the lack of a WET channel still don't do it for me.

and on that note, i'm ending my part in this discussion, barring some serious kkk-like shit.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #14
33. "bigotry toward caucasians?" ...odd...
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:53 AM by beezlebum
well, limbaugh said it was racist. and hannity said it was racist. stoptheaclu.com calls him a "preacher of hate."

but that a progressive would interpret it as "bigotry toward caucasians" is completely odd. i guess i'm bigoted and self-hating since i agree with most of what i've read that he's said.

the reverend is provocative, i'll admit- calling the US the "US of KKK A" is a little inflammatory, and the 9/11 comments are a little bold. but this is pure swiftboating- there is nothing more to it, other than that it's probably firing back for ferraro (he did it too!!11!).

calling his statements "bigotry towards caucasians" is denying that racism is to this day a dominating force in america (that we have had nothing but white males running the show from day one and still today is glaring evidence of this). sounds like your own bigotry at best. either that, or evidence that you haven't even read or watched teh yootoobs of anything he said.

obama himself denounced what the reverend said, and put it nicely when he said, to paraphrase, "he is like an uncle that you don't always agree with." there is a definite difference between a political advisor and a spiritual one. obama may not be as liberal as i would like (i'm a kucinichian) but i trust that he knows good and well the necessity for separation of church and state.
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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #9
13. Obama answered ANY questions about Rezko that the Chicago Tribune had
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:10 AM by thesubstanceofdreams
and his hometown paper was satisfied. But I'm sure you know more than a big group of journalists who have been following Obama for over 10 years :sarcasm:

Wright is his spiritual advisor, not a political one, and Obama said he wasn't aware from some specific statements, he did acknowledge he is controversial but he values the positive contribution the church has on the community. And even if you disagree, Obama made himself immediately available for questions from the press on this issue.

Meanwhile, we're still waiting for those tax returns and earmarks.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. was off Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee as of last night
Obama's Chicago Pastor No Longer Serving on Campaign Kim Chipman
Sat Mar 15, 9:15 PM ET

(((SO YES. Part of Campaign!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

March 15 (Bloomberg) -- The Reverend Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose sermons raging against the U.S. have sparked controversy, is no longer formally tied to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama's campaign, an Obama spokesman said late yesterday.

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Wright, Obama's longtime spiritual adviser and pastor of his Chicago church, was off Obama's African American Religious Leadership Committee as of last night, said campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor, who didn't elaborate. The move follows calls for Obama to sever connections to Wright after news outlets began airing some of the pastor's past sermons.

Wright's sermons have included suggestions the U.S. brought the Sept. 11 attacks on itself and that the government had a role in spreading the AIDS virus in the black community
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #13
21. YOU think the CT wants to sink their state's favorite son? right.
It's obama's spirit that worries me. When one has supported wright for 20 years, there is NO WAY you don't know WHAT and WHO he is, specially when there is lots of video to back it up. Tax returns and earmarks are smokescreens.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #13
31. The Sun-Times too. He spent 90+ minutes with the Trib and 80 minutes
with the Sun-Times.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:06 AM
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11. This Friday for Obama will look like child's play when compared to The Clinton's problems.
Once we get the white house documents, schedules, the tax returns, and the donor list.

It's gonna be bad, really bad. And those stories have legs for months because of all the connections to those things. They'll still be digging stuff up for forever. A pastor story is open and shut, you apologize and move on. Corruption can lead in many different directions and cause problems for a very long time.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. Not even corruption
but the possibility of corruption, and the appearance of corruption.

It'll be like a forest fire: not just one big blaze, but spot fires flaring up for months.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:12 AM
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17. The real issues of this election will be the economy, the war and who profited
from the economic downturn of others.


Face it, the economy is going into a tailspin, there is talk about the
Feds doing a bank holiday today to help straighten out this mess. As more people
are losing their jobs and houses, their economic status, the question of who
is getting rich over this crisis is something they will look at and vote upon.

Expect a backlash when her financial dealings come out because if she didn't
have anything to hide she would have released them ages ago.

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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:18 AM
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22. If all they have is a form of the southern strategy,
with it's inherent risk of alienating a critical voting block (sort of a 'nuclear' option), I would say Obama is 'vetted'.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:31 AM
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28. I was amused to see Obama appear on Olbermann ... not a gutsy
move, IMNSHO. And he finally gave the Chicago editorial boards a sit down ... and guess what? The clock starts now on the new story - will $250,000 be revised upward again?

Vetted? Oh no, this is the bigotry of low expectations. Wait 'till the VRWC gets a hold of your candidate - I will be around to say, "I told you so."
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thesubstanceofdreams Donating Member (625 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:44 AM
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36. He also appeared on Hannity

He took questions from both friends and foes. But since you chose to ignore any facts that don't suit your point of view, I'm not sure why I'm even replying.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:49 AM
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41. I'm not ignoring an appearance on Fox ... I don't watch the channel
But I'm curious enough to look for a transcript.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:34 AM
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29. Ken Starr spent $75 million digging up dirt on Hillary and came up Empty handed...SHE"S WELL VETTED
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:51 PM
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56. Oh they looked at every Clinton document with x-ray machine for years
and found NOTHING. She's so totally vetted.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:38 PM
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62. They couldn't look at documents she refuses to release.
She most certainly has not been fully vetted.
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:17 PM
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78. Hillary is NOT well vetted. Bill was the one being investigated by Starr, not her.
And they have lots more dirt to go through since 2002.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:05 AM
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87. Great point - When you go from 1.2 million to over 25 million in 7 years...
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:29 AM by 1776Forever
Did it all just come from a book deal of 2? I think not.

The Clinton Tax Returns: What's the Holdup?
Pressure Is High for Clinton to Release Her Tax Returns Since She Loaned Her Campaign $5 Million

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4421457&page=1

By AVNI PATEL
March 10, 2008

Since 1999, the couple's net worth has increased from somewhere between $1.25 million and $5.7 million to between $10 million and $50 million, according to filings. In 2006, the Clintons earned hundreds of thousands of dollars from book royalties, and former President Bill Clinton made $10 million in dozens of paid speeches.
The disclosures shed some light on President Clinton's role in two companies run by longtime friends and fundraisers. Clinton earned an unspecified amount as a consultant for InfoUsa, a data company run by longtime friend and fundraiser Vin Gupta, according to the filings. The forms also showed ten of thousands of dollars invested in funds with the Yucaipa Companies, a private equity firm run by another close friend, Ron Burkle.

Many of the specific details surrounding the Clintons' income and assets remain unknown. "The disclosure forms are so limited in what they require," says Krumholz. "For example, there's nothing about your primary house or other houses you live in or use."

..............

Bill was heavily into the Dubai and the Ports Deal even though Hillary was in the Senate voting No on it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/having-dinner-with-the-r_b_16897.html

Can you say "conflict of interests" if she is the President and what seems to be inevitable comes up with Dubai or the Saudi's in the future?

There are a lot of things out there that should and must come out soon! I don't know what the H is taking the media so long to put these out! Like the Paul v. Clinton trial that is coming up in Oct. 08. Why not????

I care about this and so should HRC supporters. She does need to be vetted before PA and for sure by the General if she thinks she is going all the way to the convention!
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:37 AM
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32. Yep that is very true really it has improved him as a person really. Obama new & improved.
Edited on Sun Mar-16-08 11:38 AM by barack the house
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:46 AM
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38. Editorial from today's Chi-Trib:
What is Clinton hiding?
March 16, 2008

In politics, honesty is not always the easiest policy. Barack Obama got a reminder of that when he released a list of "earmark" expenditures he has proposed -- including a $1 million request for the University of Chicago Medical Center, where his wife, Michelle, is a vice president. In his meeting Friday with the Tribune editorial board, Obama indicated that he should have left that item to fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin, but he's willing to disclose it and be held accountable.

Hillary Clinton, by contrast, often seems to operate by the maxim that silence is golden. When asked whether she would release a list of her earmarks, her spokesman dodged the question, while declaring that she is "proud of the investments in New York that she has secured." But for now, at least, not proud enough to let voters know what they are.

This exercise in secrecy is part of a Clinton pattern that grows more worrisome all the time. The former first lady often says that she, unlike Obama, has been thoroughly vetted, rendering her impervious to Republican attacks. In fact, there are some important things unknown about her -- and her conduct suggests she wants to keep it that way. Which raises a question for voters: What is she hiding, and why?

There is, for example, the matter of the Clinton tax returns. Obama has released his, but she has stalled on following suit. (John McCain also has balked.) When asked about them in a February debate, she insisted she would make the returns public. But when asked if she would do so before the March 4 primaries, she replied, unconvincingly, "Well, I can't get it together by then, but I will certainly work to get it together. I'm a little busy right now; I hardly have time to sleep."

<snip>

Disclosure might shed light on Bill Clinton's dealings with the likes of Canadian mining magnate Frank Giustra -- whom the former president accompanied on a 2005 trip to Kazakhstan. Giustra landed a major uranium mining deal on the trip, and not long after made a secret $31 million donation to Clinton's charitable foundation.

Bill Clinton has declined to disclose the donors to either his foundation or his presidential library, which makes it hard to know if wealthy individuals may be trying to curry favor with the woman who may be president -- and if so, who they are.

<snip>

more... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0316edit2mar16,0,1138530.story

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:53 AM
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43. Reality check: this decision will be made before both are vetted
We have to go on what we know thus far, actually, most of us had to vote knowing even less than we do right now.

:shrug:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:49 PM
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54. He hasn't been vetted. He only talks when evidence is thrown at him
Why did he first admit on Friday that Rezko raised 250,000 for him? He's been running for president for 15 months, for pete's sake.
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 12:57 PM
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59. Of course, you know, the vet's not supposed to kill the horse.
You vet a horse before you buy it in order to see whether it is physically capable of doing what you want it to do. The vet checks its legs and eyes, listens to it's heart and lungs before and after excercise and maybe takes x-rays if there's any questions or if a large amount of money is involved.

What the vet is not supposed to do is run the hell out of the animal over a dangerous obstacle course in order to see if it survives. Our political vetting process is getting closer to an endurance race with no rules and no referees.

I'm beginning to fear that this "vetting process" might just kill the horse instead of telling you whether he's fit to race.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 01:25 PM
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61. hillary was vetted for 8+ solid years. please put down the kool-aide. nt
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:21 PM
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65. I Was NOT Hoping He'd Crumble, And Hillary Has Been Vetted A LOT Longer Than Obama
In fact, she's been vetted many times over.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 PM
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67. Papers that she refuses to release have not been vetted. Period. eom
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:29 PM
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69. Newslash: Obama Isn't As Pure As The Driven Snow, So Let's Talk ISSUES, O.K.?
Issues such as, experience, for starters.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 03:13 PM
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70. For someone so inexperienced, he sure has run an impressive campaign.
Unlike the candidate who touts her lifetime of experience.

Issue Two: Transparency in government.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 02:25 PM
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66. He impresses me more with each response.
Cool, measured, intelligent responses to even the most ferocious attacks. I think it's a stark comparison to the angry "I've had enough of this crap" Hillary that appeared before Ohio holding mailers and demanding that Barack "meet her in Ohio". Her forced projections of strength have not helped her.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 06:49 PM
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73. Nope. Neither one has been vetted, and neither will be.
Nor will McCain. Oh, the media will run with whatever scandal du jour seems profitable, but never, ever will they address the real questions they should be asking about the cozy relationship (all three) candidates have with Big Money. This is the big hoodwink they pull on us every election, and in between, while we pat ourselves on the back for our cleverness at playing the gotcha game. The nearly meaningless dirt we dig up on each other's heroes is all we will be allowed to hear.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:07 PM
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75. LOL
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 10:15 PM
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76. Yeah, keep telling yourself that. WTF is Obama gonna do when the REAL vetting starts?
All they can try on Hillary is old news, and she has already debunked anything they've thrown at her.

BTW, all that Obama has had thrown at him so far is confetti. What's he going to do when the real bombs start coming at him? Obama has barely been taken to the cleaners and already the Obama Nation is crumbling like dried up coffecake.

OTOH, they've got nothing on Hillary. The Goddess of Peace is as clean as a pin :smoke:
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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:39 AM
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84. "The Goddess of Peace is as clean as a pin" ..Dellusional much?!!!!
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MediaBabe Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-16-08 11:21 PM
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81. Do you even know what vetted means?
"Obama has been vetted, Hillary hasn't"

That is just the silliest thread title I've seen here at DU and that is saying a lot.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:46 AM
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86. Do you?
Clinton is not being transparent. I want to know where she got $50+ million in the past 8 years. If the country doesn't know where her $50 million came from, she's hardly "vetted".

Who donated to the Clinton library? Were there financial quid pro quos for pardons? Vetting would have answered these questions.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 12:54 AM
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82. The Clintons act like they are hiding some dirty laundry.
Why are they refusing to allow Democratic voters to see these records?

- Tax records. Obama has released last year's return. Where is Hillary's? Clinton LIED in the Ohio debate that she "had not had time" to release last year's tax return. WHY?
- Library donor records. We know Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest donors. Who else is on this list and why is Bill Clinton REFUSING to release these records?
- White House records. Why is Hillary stonewalling on the release of her First Lady records if she has such a tremendous amount of experience? Probably because the records show NO SUCH THING.
- Senate earmark records. Obama released his a long time ago. Again, Clinton is LYING if she says she has not had time to release this information!

WHY ARE THE CLINTONS HIDING THESE RECORDS FROM DEMOCRATIC VOTERS? I'll TELL YOU WHY:

The Clintons know it is harder to beat Barack Obama than it is to beat McCain. They are deliberately hiding their dirty laundry from Democrats in their desperate power & money grab. They would give us a flawed and weakened candidate in the general election. They put their own greed ahead of the party and the country. The Clintons have become corrupted with wealth and power and it is a sad thing to see. I am furious and have lost all respect for both of them.

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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:34 AM
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83. Is this the joke of the day?
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 02:42 AM
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85. Huh? Hillary was the presumptive nominee all last year. Obama for what? A month?
I rest my case.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 10:33 AM
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88. And Hillary was left unvetted the whole time.
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