I am Distrustful Of White America

[NJObamaWoman]

let me start off by saying that I do not represent all black people.

As a young black woman I'm not scared to admit that I'm distrustful of white America. I feel that what's going on right now is a media, rightwing, and anyone but obama agenda. An agenda to ignore how some blacks feel that white America is still not hearing them. The media needs a story, the rightwing and anyone but obama dems need a point of attack on this man who has proven to be a bigger challenge than they ever thought. I'm a young woman who is not up on politics and laws. But recently I heard that bush has a plan to cut government funding of historical black school. I have a major issue with that. For me I only see politicians in my church when they are running for office. I never see them after or even before. Do people get why kanye said that about bush during katrina?

Anyway I think that why this is being pushed so much is fear. The fear that some white Americans have at looking deep down in there souls and realizing that racism against blacks still exist.I think for many white people I talk to some feel as if racism really isn't arround but if you ask them if you take a black person home to meet your parents how would their parents feel many of the same people would say that their parents would object.

I have yet to hear any white person tackle this issue head on and say..... If a pastor is saying this, if some people are truly distrustful of white Americans than we have a big problem and must solve it. Instead its all about attacks instead of finding a solution.in still pissed that NOONE in the media talked about the history of black churches in America when they pounced on obama going to a pro black church. I go to an AME church. Long ago we were apart of the Methodist church but were treated like second class citizens due to race. Mr. Richard Allen moved his black people to start a new church that was proud of being African American. That's why we have the Afirican Methodist Eps. Church. No see the white media in America wouldn't talk about this in fear of actually putting out there that ileven in church settings many white Americans were racists and that is the cause of all these black churches because we couldn't pray with the white folks. My AME church has an empowering black structure to help support and uplift our black people who understand being black in America is difficult.

This is why I want and need a split in the dems party. For the longest time I think dems have taken blacks for granted because they know that many blacks aren't flying over to the repub party. Therefore they automatically have black voters. Politicians can come to our churches and kiss our babies to get our vote and then
do nothing afterwards for the black community which needs help with fighting aids, gangs, prison, single parent families, employment, racism etc.

While I hate to throw people under the bus and I know this would lead to a mccain presidency I just want a split in the party and a day of not voting in nov. I think the dems party needs to fully understand how important blacks are in America and that we need more than just a visit to our churches, we need solutions and actions.

[saltpoint]

1. Well, what about Dolly Parton? She's white. And IMO very trustworthy.

[Swamp Rat]

2. LOLOL!!!

No offense to the OP, but ... Dolly Parton ... :rofl:

[saltpoint]

5. Yep, there's Dolly now. I honestly do like a great deal of her

recordings.

She does an astonishingly superb job of Woodie Guthrie's PLANE WRECK AT LOS GATOS.

She doesn't get much credit in Nashville for THOSE recordings, but she keeps on making them anyway.

The VILLAGE VOICE did a wonderful piece on Dolly some years back called "Dolly Parton is Such Sweet Sorrow."

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[Samantha]

56. That's my cousin we are discussing

My mom's grandmother and Dolly's mom were sisters. She comes to the family reunions in Gatlinburg, and her proper name is Rebecca. Dolly Parton has become more dear to the people of Tennessee than Elvis, because she is has pumped so much of her income into that impoverished state, creating jobs for its people. Dollywood is just a few miles from my family home.

True, she has been a little "out there" in her personal presentation in her younger years, but looking at her "body of work" over the duration, her pluses far outweigh her minuses.

So I count on you, Old Crusoe, to defend my cousin when I am not around.

I think "I Will Always Love You" is one of the most beautiful songs, even though I do not lean toward Country music.

[saltpoint]

69. Samantha, I'll do more than defend your cousin Rebecca.

If anybody speaks ill of her in my presence, I will firebomb their damn house.

[Samantha]

71. This is why I always respond to your posts

Your answers always make me feel great! Thanks.

Sam

[Freedom Train]

58. I am distrustful of anybody who does not like Dolly parton

She is just pure goodness through and through, and an amazing human being. If her music isn't your thing, fine, even if I personally think she's done some of the most beautiful stuff ever, but I can't fathom not liking her person. I'd venture as far as to say there are two things you HAVE to like if you're going to get anywhere with me, and they are

1. Dolly Parton
2. Puppies

;)

Sorry for going off-topic by the way...

[saltpoint]

70. Some of my best friends go off-topic all the time.

I second your sentiment 100%, Freedom Train.

[Maven]

3. I just wanted to let you know

that is my favorite post of the day.

:rofl:

[NJObamaWoman]

6. lmao I guess I should have explained myself

alittle bite more. While I've always been tolerant of other races. Deep in my heart I am still distrustful of white Americans because of the racism I, my family and friends have felt. So whenever I deal with a white person I keep my eyes and ears open and untrusting

[saltpoint]

8. Well, just as a point of reference, Ms. Parton has ELEVEN brothers and

sisters.

Just so ya know.

_ _ _

Hi, NJObamaWoman.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Quite understandable

:hi:

[Samantha]

73. What about Al Gore and Al Gore, Sr.?

Al Gore's father's house in Carthage, Tennessee was just 60 miles from my grandmother's house. It was from his father that Al Gore learned how barbarically African-Americans had been treated in this Country. His father took him into the lower levels of structures still standing in Tennessee, and showed him, as a child, the chains still on the walls where people had been held in bondage. It was under the guidance of his two wonderful parents that Al Gore, Jr. learned that his African-American friends needed more than understanding, but retribution, for the way of life they had been forced to live.

In that regard, in a highly red (and I use the adjective "red" to be kind) state, Al Gore's father championed the 1965 Voting Rights Act. He knew when he did this it would probably mean the end of his political career -- that and being an opponent of the Vietnam War -- but he did it anyway because it was the right thing to do.

And Albert Gore Sr. did lose his seat, but in the process gained an affinity with the African-American community that lives today in the life of the son.

I understand certainly why some African-Americans do not trust White People. But that is a prejudiced statement because caucasians are not all the same just as African-Americans are not. I hope to see the day that Barack Obama often speaks of when we in the United States are exactly that -- united.

Peace.

Sam

Oops, I see now after posting this precise question is discussed down-thread. Sorry.

[Texas Hill Country]

64. I would trust Wilford Brimley - Quaker Oats is good stuff.

[saltpoint]

76. LOL. Brimley knows his breakfast foods. But his politics leave a lot to be

desired.

[democrattotheend]

4. I don't want a split in the party, but I don't blame you

For feeling that way. I have to admit, if Clinton gets the nomination, part of me would like to see black voters stay home to demonstrate that she can't take them for granted. I am sure I won't feel that way on election day, but part of me feels that way now.

Thanks for speaking out and being honest about it.

In answer to your question, I think my parents would have a hard time if I brought a black boyfriend home, but only because he wouldn't be Jewish. I don't think they'd have any more of a problem with a black boyfriend than a white boyfriend who wasn't Jewish. If I brought a black Jew from Ethiopia home they'd probably have no problem with it.

[dsc]

9. just wondering

if white women voters stay home if Obama wins the nod would you be understanding of that, or is it a one way street?

[NJObamaWoman]

24. see all this talk about white women voters makes me LOL and cry

I hate all this sisterhood shit. I have yet to see white women voters stand up for black women voters. See our society wants to focus on white males in terms of slavery but fail to mention that white women played their roles too. It was blacks who fanned the white women and cleaned after them. Who took care of their children. It was the black women who were raped by those white women husbands and saw their offsprings sold like cattle.

Recently (if you goggle it you will find it, I'm on my iPhone so its hard for me to find the article) there was a study that talked about white women vs blank women. How during a job interview white women were seen as a mother, daughter or sister to white male interviewers so they were more likely to get the job than black women. How about the fact that the modelling industry is mostly made up of white women. Thats why Naiomi C is trying to fight for more minorities. I mean come on are you telling me that there arent that many beautiful black women out there to be models. What about actors and actresses and how shows like friends, seinfeld, bv90210 etc didnt start out with long lasting black characters. See that's stuff that white women never want to discuss. Yeah its all about white sisterhood but never about black sisterhood. I bet that there are more white women who are in powerful positions than blacks (men and women).

Anyway at the end of the day if white women want to stay home thais fine. Just then don't include me as a black woman on this " we need to bond as women" crap

[ampad]

48. Thank you for your post

As a black woman I agree 100%. Nothing more to add just wanted to say your post about white women IMO is dead on.

[democrattotheend]

49. White women have not been taken for granted for years

White women are a swing group that is up for grabs. In fact, if you look at the exit polls, the majority of white women actually voted for Bush in 2004.

In the African American community, Democrats don't even have to do any persuasion...they just have to do turnout programs. If the first African American with a real shot at the presidency has it snatched away from him by a majority of white superdelegates, I would not blame African Americans for being mad and not being overly eager to come out and vote in November. Selfishly, I hope they do, because I want a Democratic president. But as a white woman, I don't think I'd feel comfortable going to predominantly black neighborhoods on election day and asking them to come out. I hope African American leaders and activists do, but I would not feel right about it.

[Samantha]

74. I could never understand it, and I am a white woman voter

It's not about race or gender to me, however, it never has been. It's all about the issues, intelligence, integrity, and ability to lead. I could never relegate the importance of qualities such as those to race or gender. I do understand the historical nature of the Democratic party running a presidential race where the top two contenders are African-American and female; but the difficulty of the times we are in I believe dictate we must choose the best well-rounded person to lead us through these times. And if in that process, we also choose an African-American candidate or a female, kudos to us.

[NJObamaWoman]

12. thanks for your honesty. I just feel like more needs to be done in terms of

Racism. And your right I'm highly insult that the Clinton think they can crap on black folks because they will still have them in nov. Its highly insulting and its one reason why if she gets nom i won't ever vote again.

[LWolf]

7. I'm white, and I don't trust white america.

Your points can apply to many groups that have been taken for granted. It fits the left wing of the political landscape in America, for example. It fits women.

It fits the non-judeo-christians. It fits all non-whites, not just black americans.

All who are not white, male, nationalistic, and from a judeo-christian sect.

This is perhaps why I don't support the "majority" rule. There are too many of the rest of us who are taken for granted. I'd like to see proportional representation, not "winner take all."

[casus belli]

28. For a country of immigrants, we're not very inclusive.

We have a long history of trying to burn the bridge after we cross it. I'd love to attribute that quote to the person I first heard say it, but I've forgotten who it was. :shrug:

I think a lot of white people in America probably believe that the cries of racism and bigotry in this country are much ado about nothing. Unfortunately, many people are of the belief that if they haven't seen it, it doesn't exist.

[XemaSab]

35. If white people don't see racism and bigotry

it's because they don't WANT to see it.

Even a cursory look at the papers will show you things you're happier not knowing about. And I don't hear the "n" word that often, but I do hear it, and I figure I'd hear it more if everyone around me wasn't aware of my politics.

[casus belli]

45. I agree with you.

It's easier and more convenient to pretend something doesn't exist than to try to make it right. And we're all guilty of that to some degree. One need look no further than a homeless person begging for change and the reaction to him by most passers-by to see indifference in action.

[krkaufman]

50. e.g. inherent racism in the news... yet another pretty, young white girl missing/killed news story

... hits the national airwaves within the last week, even though it has no national relevance, whatsoever. Consider the proportion of such stories, based on the race of the victims.

[XemaSab]

51. There's a certain "if it bleeds" mentality there

but in 1996 I voted in my first presidential election.

The polling place was at the synagogue around the corner from my house in Sacramento. It was set up in the library of the synagogue, which was FILLED with Jewish history, holocaust history, and all kinds of Judaica.

On June 18, 1999, bombers attacked three synagogues in the Sacramento area, including the one around the corner from me. The library was a total loss.

I'm not going to say I didn't know about hate before then, but the idea that even in California Jewish people could be under attack like that really opened my eyes.

This shit happens all the time in this country, and the fact that stories like this aren't national news says something about a certain acceptance of racism that I think is in itself racist.

[krkaufman]

52. Good lord, I gotta agree. I don't recall hearing about those bombings

We've quite a way to go.

[LWolf]

40. I think that it is difficult for too many

to acknowledge racism when they see it. It's easier, more comfortable, to rationalize it and/or deny it than to confront racism in our neighborhoods, our friends, our own families. Even in ourselves. It is foolish to think that, after generations of racist conditioning, that we don't harbor hidden seeds of racism within.

That's true for any race, not just for Caucasians. We're the race that has held power in this nation, on this continent, for the last 2 hundred years or so, though. If we won't bring it to light and eradicate it, why would anyone else?

[casus belli]

46. All very good points. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

10. What about Al Gore?

Did he not work to empower you to praise or champion your favorite candidate whether black or white and to ask to split the party for all the world to see?

No one here would know what color you are unless you told them, here in the Internet we're all blog colored and I view it as the closest creation to Martin Luther King's dream, here you're judged on the content of your ideas and character, not your skin color.

[saltpoint]

13. Wait -- you're saying Al Gore is white?

[Uncle Joe]

15. Actually I would say a slight beige color,

but I'm half color blind anyway.

[saltpoint]

16. White, beige -- who cares what he is as long as he can sing the blues.

[Uncle Joe]

19. He could probably do that, just don't ask him to do the Macarena. n/t

[saltpoint]

20. LOL! Agree -- the Macarena is over the top. No can do.

[NJObamaWoman]

18. I was too young to vote for gore

besides no one ever explained in my family why they voted for gore or even Kerry. Just that they wee dems. That's why I voted for Kerry cuz my family were dems and they told me too. This is the first election I acutally really followed closely and looked at the issues of each candidate. Before they were all a bunch of white politicians who never done anything for my family its just that the den party in terms of my black family and friends were the best of the worst.

[Uncle Joe]

22. That's just it, the fact that you're here today speaking with us,

is proof that he and the other Congresspeople that voted to open the Internet up for the people did do something for you and your family.

Furthermore I'm firmly convinced that decision to champion opening up the Internet for the people eventually cost him the 2000 selection as the traditional corporate media came to resent him for it and slandered and libeled him for the better part of two years beginning in March of 99. As the Internet grew in power and influence, the corporate media saw their power, influence, ability to shape the message via one way communication, and money as slowly slipping away.

[Hippo_Tron]

53. Uncle Joe, if I may bring up something about Al Gore...

Fred Phelps used to raise money for Al Gore even as late as his presidential bid in 1988. Only until he ran for Vice President in 1992 did the two break ties, much like Obama is breaking his ties to Wright now.

Now Phelps wasn't picketing funerals back then but obviously he was no beacon of tolerance. Don't you think it may have something to do with race when people claim that they are extremely distrustful of Obama for his association with bigots and then they don't call out white politicians for doing the same thing?

I believe that Al Gore is committed to GLBT rights despite having associated with someone as horrible as Phelps in the past because I don't buy into guilt by association. I think most of DU would agree with me about Gore. I find it troubling that Obama is presumed guilty by association, by many of those same people, however.

[Uncle Joe]

55. I agree Hippo_Tron

I don't believe in guilt by association either, actually of the two remaining candidates, I'm strongly leaning toward Obama. Personally I don't trust the Clintons, I believe they undermined Al Gore when he ran in 2000, with the thought of Hillary Clinton running.

I was just trying to make a point with the OP regarding not trusting all white people.

[Hippo_Tron]

59. I agree, I think that the OP should trust white people

But I think that some white people on DU need to learn to trust black people as well. People may claim that race doesn't matter but I think that some people on DU are holding Obama to a different standard than they would hold a white politician. Because he is black they need proof that he's not anti-semitic, homophobic, and racist.

[Uncle Joe]

65. Personally I try to live by the rule of

giving everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise.

To be honest my favorite candidates aren't in the race anymore or never were, ie; Gore, Kucinich, Edwards, but of the two remaining candidates, I believe Obama could do the best job of inspiring the people and bringing a fresh new approach to what I believe will be a most challenging time in our nation's history.

The biggest red flag of Obama with me isn't the fact of him being black, or his minister's feelings about America, it's the fact he's a cousin of Dick Cheney. The only reason I find that disconcerting is because the odds of that happening seem pretty remote to me.

[robbedvoter]

14. But your candidate says he is not - talks aboutt "post-racial" and end of "partisanship"

Are you sure he has the platform that fits your views? What makes you trust HIM?

[baldguy]

17. Gee, I can't imagine why.

In one breath they criticize Obama for being a secret Muslim, and in the next for being a radical Black separatist Christian.

What we need is to split the logical, reasonable, rational majority (of all races and political affiliations) from the ignorant savages who are in charge now.

I believe Obama can win that majority.

[nolabels]

75. I am pretty sure Malcolm X was both and then some

My mostly pink colored skin kind of tells me that part about X didn't worry other pink skins so much at the time. It seems it was more of speaking truth to power that upset them.

The people who have been pushed the lowest and have least to loose often speak up the loudest. Fits into the parable about that fat man and his wealth fitting through the eye of that proverbial needle. Many of us here even with some material well being nowadays still feel impoverished with current status or position that the establishment has placed us in.

What the hell good is a world to live in that is extinguishing it's very means of existence. What the hell good is it that we might live in slight comfort knowing that generations after us will be damned. People just want to work around and ignore that elephant in the room, and so why or how can we change that, and should we bother?

Yea, i don't always play with a full deck of cards and maybe the OP doesn't either but describing what anyone sees shouldn't be a problem at any rate.

[blue sky at night]

21. I'm sorry the first responders to your post....

couldn't take you seriously. Thanks for telling it like it is, for you and me both; I agree with LWolf, I am white and I sure as hell don't trust white people in power either. I guess the whole system boils down to the golden rule, he who has the gold, rules. I can assure you that I will be voting for Obama in November, he gives me hope. I don't worry about all of the garbage that is floating up to try to destroy him now...and if Hillary gets the nod somehow, it will happen to her also. I just feel that Hillary is just more of the same, and truly believe the now old saying; "Bill Clinton, the best Republican President Ever!" BTW, I go to Mexico to help a group called Esperanza build houses for folks, and I wish we could be more like them...not the other way around. All of "us" need to work together to get the current folks out of power if there is to be any hope for the future. Thanks for the post, and keep them coming.

[DearAbby]

32. I agree with that....as a white female

born on the wrong side of the tracks, I dont trust the white people in power. They are the ones with the money and clout. And of course the look out for their interests not mine.

That was the reason I was for Kucinich, then Edwards...even though Edwards was rich, his message was so needed. There is two Americas.

[Breeze54]

23. "and a day of not voting in nov."?!? - WTF?

If you think things are bad now, go ahead and re-elect a Rethug to the WH! :puke:

[NJObamaWoman]

25. but what have the dems done for my family

Cause I'm young and black voting means two things to me. That my people fought hard for it and that even if I vote the issues I face never get resolved.

Not voting means that I'm finally stopping the enabling of politicians who are about talk but nothing else.

[nancyr]

26. I'm old and white and scared of white people, too.

I am scared to death of the white monsters who are in control now. They aren't even human.

[Breeze54]

29. I'm not scared of "white" or "black" people. I hate Rethugs though.

They are the one's to be feared due to their greed, wars and stupidity.

[surfermaw]

68. Right On I Don't like Republicans either. We should be bashing them

[Breeze54]

27. You tell me.

What help, specifically, are you talking about?

Democrats Fight for Independent Katrina Commission

http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/09/democrats_win_f.php

Democrats won a key battle in the fight for an independent, 9/11 Commission-style investigation
into the federal government's response to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina yesterday when
Congressional Republicans abandoned plans for their own whitewash investigation.

Democrats, pushing for a fully independent investigation, refused to join a GOP-controlled joint
congressional panel. Republicans crafted a plan that put themselves entirely in control of any
investigation of the Bush administration. Their panel would have had a majority of Republicans,
giving Democrats no power to issue subpoenas or control the direction of the investigation.

The White House has also begun its own internal probe into its own response, but Democrats in
Congress have made a full and independent investigation -- like that conducted by the bipartisan
9/11 Commission -- a top priority.

The Bush administration also initially opposed the creation of the 9/11 Commission.

[NJObamaWoman]

34. I'll list some immediate problems

1) housing... Under the Clinton years my mom was a cop who worked a full time job and overtime to afford a house that was decent but not all that. The property cost double than the house. My mom lost that house. It was her first house and she lost it to balloon effect. This year alone she has paid $35,000 in rent this past year if can't afford a damn house. She's a retired cop who put her life on the line for Americans every day, was injured on duty, a single parent who didn't recieve child support or help from the gov. All of that and she hasn't been able to afford to buy a house in years.

2) education... What's the point of getting a masters degree if you can't afford to live on your own? My health coverage sucks, dental sucks, and I can't afford to live on my own. I think back now why the he'll did I waste my time going to school getting an education in which my family and I paid for in loans and hard work. My grandfather sold his house to help his three grand daughters pay for school. He really wanted to leave us with money for our savings but couldn't because of the high cost of education in America. He has past away and all the money he saved for us growing up is gone, all the money he recieved after selling his house is gone. Used to pay for school. A black man in America who always paid his taxes, dealt with racism, always voted dems and sore that FDR was the greatest president ever pasted away and let his granddaughters with memories instead of money. Money that he saved for his entire life to give to his grandchildren for their savings and a better life in American. All gone all used go pay for college in which we still have to take out loans to pay for. Mrs. Obama is right I'm not proud of America or a proud American

3)lack of support for single family homes. I grew up in a single family home where I hardly got yosee my mom because she was always working to pay the bills in order to keep us out if the ghetto. My mom said years ago that maybe we should have moved to the ghetto, that she shouldn't have become a cop cause then she could depend on food stamps, and probably have my entire college expenses paid for... That's if I wasn't shot, pregnant, with aids, or attend a bad public school with a high drop out rate. It was a job but I knew she was struggling.

I can't go on and talk about what I face as a teen librarian every day. Repub or dems I have yet too see a president take on the issues I deal with and see effecting my family, myself and friends who are apart if the black community.

[Breeze54]

42. I understand, as a single Mom, but a lot of those

problems are effecting all people, including me and I'm not AA.

#1.)
Has she applied for HUD Housing? Section 8 (HUD) Rental Assistance? They have no down
payment loans too and there are programs for teachers, firefighters and police to buy houses.

#2)
I think all education is important and there are many young people, black & white; struggling
in this job loss economy. Don't give up and keep applying for jobs and/or go to school! :hug:
I don't even have health insurance but I did apply on Friday. I need a dentist really bad. :(

#3)Federal Housing Administration
http://fha.mortgageloanplace.com/

Currently, FHA financing requires a 3% downpayment minimum to obtain a home loan, although
legislation changes are proposed that would result in a FHA modernization that would eliminate
the requirement and raise home loan limits in high cost areas.

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The program, which has its roots in mortgage insurance plans that began
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---------------

Keep your chin up. We're all in this together.

What is your degree in and congratulations!! :applause: :applause:

BTW? I worked at the library for my first job at 15 yrs. old too! ;)

:hi:

[FrenchieCat]

30. Thank you for your post, and as you know, many Black folks as well as others

feel exactly as you do. It is easy to mistrust, when we have a media who sits on its fat ass acting like they know something that we don't, but refuse to enlighten those who most need it.

This moment, just like Katrina, could be a turning point in our history.....but instead we get Dolly Parton photos, a lot of yuk-yuk as though that has anything to do with anything.

I too believe that if Hillary fangles the nomination, and if there is no attempt by those who could make a difference in reference to the questions drugged up about race via Wright's fiery sermons that we are getting plenty of out of context exposure to, Hillary will lose the General Election.

It really is up to those who call themselves leaders of the Democratic party to put things into perspective and not allow the use of the biased representation of Rev. Wright's sounbytes to co-opt Barack Obama's own message. If they don't step up like tomorrow, then yes, Black voters will stay home en masse in November, and they will be justified.

If we are to get to One America, we must address the teaching moment that has been presented to us in this election. If it isn't done, it will have repercution far beyond this election. It is not about making anyone feel comfortable or uncomfortable, it is about getting to the truth of the matter and addressing it with candor. It is not much to ask, but we shall see if it is remotely possible. I say that it is not, because the narrative that the media as decided is custom built to tear us apart rather than provide greater insight.

If Black folks choose to stay home in November, in case Hillary is somehow victorious due to her benefitting from America's misunderstanding in reference to who Wright is, what he represents, and the fact that he is not Sen. Obama, They will survive more of the same. They have done so for years now, and this is just par for the course for them.

What is most unfortunate is that those White Women and Men who will rationalize that they are "fearful" in what Wright's words meant, in order to advance the cause of Hillary Clinton's candidacy will, at some point, be all up in arms about Supreme Court nominations by President McCain, and the role it will play in reference to the issue of their reproductive rights. But it may not be till then that they put two and two together to understand that they caused their own misery by refusing to be uncomfortable when it didn't benefit them directly. Then Wright's words that the "Chickens have come home to roust" will be put into its proper context.

Feeling you,
FrenchieCat

[Cameron27]

33. I can understand your feelings,

but you wouldn't be a good candidate to be president of the entire United States. I've said this over and over, but I'll say it once more. The issues that Wright preaches about are valid, and they deserve ernest discussion, but mocking and taunting & fanning the flames doesn't bring reconciliation. What's his intention, and what's his solution?
We know where our society's been, and we know what's wrong with it now, but how do we get to the place where it should be? That's what I'd like to hear from theologians and preachers. That's the difference that I see between a man like MLK, and man like Jeremiah Wright. That's the kind of politics that I thought Barack Obama represented.

[Voltaire]

57. Why does Wright need to provide a solution?

When it comes to racism in this country, he ain't the PERP!

[mmonk]

36. You're letting them to succeed in dividing.

It's time both decided to work together.

[Slagathor]

37. Then you have a problem

and if I wrote that I was "distrustful" of Black America, I'd be labelled a racist.

PS your rationale is simply devoid of any sort of legitimate appeal to reason. There are a huge number of Obama supporters, and they span the so-called racial divide. I think that perhaps older people may still be mired in antiquated modes of thought. To the young, this isn't an issue. Obama is simply the best candidate and in my opinion *all* talk of race in this regard is merely unwarranted and divisive disruption.

[NJObamaWoman]

41. No WE as Americans have a problem

call me a racist all you want to but if Americans don't talk about race and issues like this than we will never get anywhere. See this is the problem and what I stated in my post is true. We label the problem but don't do anything to find a solution. Calling me a racist won't change how I feel I'd how a white person who is racist against blacks feel. Where is the solution?

[mmonk]

43. There's nothing wrong about discussing it.

However, the strategy of two campaigns against Obama is to push distrust when we need everyone to get behind Obama. An awareness of the the distrust is fine. Exploitation or allowing for the exploitation is not because it is designed to shut down dialogue.

[here_is_to_hope]

38. Thats my default position...n/t

[jaysunb]

39. I'm sorry to see your post trivialized.

Your honest effort to relate what's going on in our community will continue to be met w/ derision and patronization because some whites in our own party only care about their own agenda and expect us to dutifully fall in line as we've done in the past.

When all is said and done, the disillusionment in the AA community won't be that Obama wasn't nominated as much as the fact that people who claim to be friends were really not. ( Bill Clinton immediately comes to mind ) This isn't about a woman or a Black any more. It's about whether we as a people continue to buy into " more of the same, " while putting our principles aside.

You and I,along w/ most honest people know that we express ourselves to ourselves in a much different way. But the problem is US. The Elmer Gantry's of America are alive and well using rhetoric that creates hate and division on every level. When Blacks--especially men--tell the well known truth to their own, it's suddenly threatening or inflammatory. Don't buy the bull ! America has some very ugly history, and lots of White Americans would rather not be reminded. It's all a part of "never having to say you're sorry."

I hope you'll continue to have faith in yourself and your own abilities and not depend on the benevolence of others to define who you are and what you should think.The person with his foot on your neck is not likely to admit it and will scream indignantly when you point it out.

As to some people trying frighten you into thinking if you act on principle and not vote, think about the history of our people and how much good either party has done to correct or cure the problems that confront us as a people. Unemployment and poverty remain constant no matter who is in power.

As you pointed out, you only see politicians when they want your vote. It reminds me of the rich boy sneaking acroos the tracks for his pleasure but marrying the nice girl next door. Don't let yourself get played.

[misanthrope]

44. This is a GREAT and brutally honest post**nm

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[Forkboy]

47. I'm distrustful of America...full stop.

[easy_b94]

54. Yeah I agree with 100% And I am a...

Angry black male. And really piss with the Dems right now

[LuvMyPorsche]

60. I'm sorry you feel that way. n/t

[Blue-Jay]

61. I am Distrustful Of Orange America

[Chovexani]

62. I'm glad you prefaced that comment.

Because you sure as fuck don't speak for me and mine.

[styersc]

63. You are brave to openly admit your racism and hope you can

work through it. You will be able to know that you are close to losing these feelings when you cease to lump all white people, or "all" of anybody into one giant group.

I can't ever remembering having racist feelings so I don't know how that goes, but I have made the mistake of lumping big groups such as "all Republicans" etc and try to keep from doing so.

[surfermaw]

66. If there is any candidate complaining, it should be Edwards

[Texas Hill Country]

67. way to be a uniter... have an all black political party... i am not unsympathetic, but that...

perpetuates the problem, does not solve it. voting for Obama because he is black perpetuates the problem, doesnt solve it.

I would also like to mention, this is EXACTLY what Obama says that he does not stand for.

As a matter of fact, voting for Obama BECAUSE he is black is just as racist and voting against him because he is black.

As a multiracial person, i find this offensive.

In addition, I would like to mention the fact that a seperate party is a surefire way to get all your needs COMPLETELY ignored.

[CreekDog]

72. Oh come on!

judge us on our record.

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