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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:54 PM
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WARNING!! -- Do NOT let SHRUB go DOWN in the POLLS!!


I have seen people here getting GIDDY over bad polls for Dubya.

WHAT do you think Dub will do to get it BACK UP!?!? We should make it look like its neck and neck so he doesn't try to do anything CRAZY and just stay in place till we can get Kerry in there. When the polls are tied, Shrub was inactive.

It's VERY SCARY to see these polls showing SHURB down, this will not bode well for all of us....I can only imagine what Rove is planning.....god help us all, god help our troops.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:58 PM
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1. Two theories here:
One, just let the campaign take it's course---stick to your game plan---and don't worry over the little fluctuations in the polls.

or

Two, he's on his way down and you should step on him so hard he won't be able to get back up. (Incidentally, making him spend TONS of money trying to get back up)

Those are the choices the Democratic Powers-that-be have to make.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:59 PM
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2. BS...Bushrove WANTS the polls tied
It is the only way they can take the election. Without paper trails, a razor-thin margin is absolutely essential to scam the public.

Spread 'em out. The WIDER margin the better. Because if Bush is down by 10 points in all the polls, but wins by 1 point in all the Diebold states, it will be painfully obvious what happened. But if it is neck and neck on election day (or at least, if the fake polls SAY it is) then they can shift enough votes vie Diebold to win by 1 point, and what can be done about it? No recounts. We'll have to rely at least partially (if not competely) on the latest "scientific" polling.

No way. Spread 'em.
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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:00 PM
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5. I agree
But not so early, this is DANGEROUS!!!
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:38 PM
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11. 10 points is NOT ENOUGH!!
Bush* has a 7 point advantage due to the Electoral College.
Then there's Nader.
If der shrub is within 10%, he "wins" again.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:00 PM
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3. CNN is talking up Bio-attacks especially Anthrax..
and you never can catch an Anthrax killer.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:00 PM
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4. Ummm...
you took the Brown Acid, didn't you?

I refuse to live my political life based upon my fear of what Rove and his America-hating band will cook up to scare Americans into voting for them.
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Nimble_Idea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:01 PM
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6. I don't live in fear,
I just know these fools will do something foolish to try to get thier polls up, I worry for others.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:29 PM
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8. Don't get too excited about the polls.
Polls in Georgia taken just a few days before the de-selection of the Dem Gov and Dem Senator Cleland showed both would win. What happened? Diebold machines said they lost.

When the election stealers get a little more couth at their newest techniques, the polls will match up better -- election results AND polls will match each other but not reality. Until then, still take it with a large bag of salt.

Did you know that 70% of those asked to participate in polls refuse? How accurate can they be?!?!?! Even if honest?

This article discusses that.

October 2003

The Public Opinion Polling Fraud

from Z Magazine <http://www.Zmag.org>
by Marc Sapir and Mickey Huff
http://www.retropoll.org/polling_fraud_z-mag.htm

Americans have existed under a cloud of media and government induced fear since the Creel Commission at the start of WWI. As fascism took hold FDR warned: the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Then the anti-communist hysteria and the witch hunts of McCarthyism and HUAC gripped the United States and propelled the nation into another era of paranoia and distrust. By the time the Cold War ended, Americans were accustomed to being afraid, whether at the behest of politicians or on media command. Even after the spectre of communism had dissipated by the dawn of the 21st century, politicians capitalized on fear mongering against hidden foreign enemies. Meanwhile, the nightly news droned on about street crime, sex scandals, violence, while titillating the public with reality programming.

September 11, 2001 changed that persistent phobia in a crucial way. It allowed government and media to focus Americans' fears tangibly. The reality tv shows paled in comparison to the endless desensitizing reruns of the collapse of the WTC. Terror alerts and false alarms became the order of the day. Suddenly, new villains were omnipresent, not just "over there." Poll after poll exclaimed that the country now supported the unelected and once unpopular president, were terrified, and demanded action. Media institutions offered little analysis to explain America's anxiety which was, after all, almost a century in the making. Rather than engaging in sober critical discourse our spin doctors kept it simple and simply cast blame. We were told that "evildoers" hated our freedom. Daily polls told us what we thought, and that we all thought alike, even though everyday Americans suspected we did not. Michael Moore's Oscar-winning documentary "Bowling for Columbine" addressed the issue of fear and violence in America and how media and government created this very climate, yet most in the press missed that crucial opportunity for a national therapy session.

So how can we clarify the role that the corporate media and their incessant polling play in our collective social mindset? In early 2002 we thought about this question and decided to form our own polling organization to try and better understand what they are doing. When we look at our own poll results we see confusion and have asked ourselves: What do these polls tell us when they show nearly 50% of the citizenry now believes that Iraq was behind 9-11 almost two years afterwards (even though no evidence exists to corroborate such a sentiment)? Or when a large majority of Americans oppose the provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act, declare that media is a major cause of the climate of fear in the U.S. yet many of these same people simultaneously support George Bush's war on terror?

We believe our poll results provide evidence that corporate polls exist mainly to validate corporate media and government disinformation and to tell the public WHAT to think, rather than reflect how they think. The population's apparent consent to the war on terror is virtually manufactured by media and government.

<MORE>
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:25 PM
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7. Rove will doing the "perp walk" after Friday
Edited on Wed Apr-28-04 06:28 PM by riverwalker
when Joe Wilson's book comes out naming Rove as the source of the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame. I wonder if Karen Hughes could be named as conspirator to commit a felony, since she and Rove are such close pals?. Wonder how she would look in an orange jumpsuit? Kinda like a rotten pumpkin.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:30 PM
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9. What an image...
Rove & Hughes in orange, headed for prison: The punk an' the punkin.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 06:32 PM
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10. We can't do anything about the polls short term.
We might convince enough people to vote Dem to effect the polls but today we can't make the poll numbers for next week.

Besides, screw Bush. The farther his numbers go in the toilet the better. Once we are rid of him we don't have to worry about him.
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