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Tue Mar-18-08 07:17 PM
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I hate to say it, those who didn't like the speech are for the most part threatened by its message |
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Granted there might be a slim few who really didn't think it was a good speech, but if you look at the majority of folks who have come out against this speech they are either hardcore rightwingers (Rush, Gingrich, et al) or some hardcore Hillary supporters on the DU. I have not even seen Hillary's campaign or her surrogates be critical of the speech.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:20 PM
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1. I think it is more than that |
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They are threatened because the old game won't work and now they don't have the faintest clue what to do, how to effectively attack him. He has rewritten the rules of the game - and they are shocked, confused because it always worked before - and now it will never work again.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:22 PM
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It's the game. The game has just been changed. It's as if the board was upended and pieces are flying in the air and everyone is just... grasping.
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Tue Mar-18-08 09:31 PM
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31. and it's about damn time! |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:22 PM
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4. I think that's true. He's teflon. He turned it around and made it work in his favor. |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:26 PM
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I cant wait to see how Obama handles the swiftboaters in the GE. they're fumbling around playing checkers while he's elevated the game to chess
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:04 PM
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24. What's ironic is that Bill did that same thing to the Repubs. |
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:22 PM
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28. He rose above the attacks, and they know if they attack him now...... |
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they will be seen as the people who are not evolved enough to speak of race on an intelligent level.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:20 PM
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What is the threat in the speech? Why would a non-Obama supporting member of the democratic party be threatened by this speech? It was an exercise in damage control given by a politician. I don't see it as a threat of any kind.
Right wing lunatics aside, they seem to be threatened by everything.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:27 PM
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9. The threat of things outside of control. |
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The threat of being outed when you'd rather not be.
The threat of change when, you're not sure change is a good idea.
Lots of potential threats in that speech.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:50 PM
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I apologize for not understanding. Will I be outed as a law abiding, tax paying productive citizen who mows his lawn regularly? Change is outstanding.
Are limbaugh, hannity et al and their followers going to be outed? Is that possible?
I see know threats to anyone in that speech.
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:04 PM
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23. then try another speech |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:31 PM
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12. Did you see my opening line? |
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"Granted there might be a slim few who really didn't think it was a good speech," I acknowledged there might be some who sincerely didn't think it was a good speech.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:53 PM
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I thought it was a good speech, just questioned its timing and purpose. Obama is first and foremost a politician just like Bobby Jindal the new Governor of Louisiana. His followers in that state haven't found that out yet but they will. Nothing wrong with being a politician except the toxic attempts to distance yourself from your profession.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:37 PM
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18. he's the real deal, boss. |
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i want to convert you, boss. he is the real deal. he wrote that speech, staying up till 3 am, they say. he is not your ordinary politician. let me tell you something. i am done with race. we all need to be done with race. and when i walk around with my obama button on, the whole world knows that. i can talk to black people, and be treated like just another person, instead of being looked at a little cross-eyed, until i can find a way to prove i am not some cracker. i want it to be like that without that button. electing barack would be a start. not because he is black, but because he will be a great president, who just happens to be black. it will be a new day, boss. he is the real deal. he means every word that he is saying. there is not a phony bone in his body. diplomatic, yes, careful, yes. but phony? no way. trust, boss. we will have a government we can trust.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:48 PM
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Whomever gets the (D) nomination gets my vote and support and maybe a few bucks (thats to be determined based on my finances not their chances.) I'm not as swept up as you but I look at every politician with a jaundiced eye and I think thats healthy. We don't need carte blanche hero worship of someone who aspires to that job.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:57 PM
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22. there is no carte blanche here, boss |
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shit, man, i live in chicago. i see the bullshit on parade every saint patty's. which is why when a good one comes along, i feel a little personal responsibility to rub that chicago stink off him. this one is different. i know you will be behind whoever wins. i just want you to know that this is no ordinary politician. this man is a leader. and have we every needed one so badly?
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:10 PM
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25. That is so true, what you wrote, about wearing an Obama button. |
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Wow. I want to be like that without the button, too.
:hug: mopinko :hug: and thank you so much for your work on the campaign here in Ohio. Following your lead, I'm working in Kentucky on new voter registration, and heading to Pennsylvania to canvass in the coming weeks! You set such a wonderful example for our DU community, my friend.
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:19 PM
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thank you. :hugs: to you. so, so sorry that we didn't get together. i am very flattered by your comments. i am in pittsburg for a conference, and it is all i can do to not wander over to make some calls. it's addictive. we need a new day. we need to turn the page. who doesn't want that? what is wrong with them?
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:23 PM
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5. Whatever Rush says is good enough for me! |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:23 PM
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6. I can't name any other political figure who could have pulled off such a speech. |
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It was honest and frank. It was, at some points, uncomfortable. It was reflective and caused many of us to look at our own family and friends, and their viewpoints on race.
It was something different and for some people, change is a scary and unwelcome thing.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:29 PM
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11. I agree. This will be a day that people will honor and remember. nt |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:31 PM
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13. I agree. It was profound in its scope and its power. |
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It is going to take a long time for me to digest it.
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Tue Mar-18-08 09:34 PM
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32. I think your post says it all... |
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about the tone of how many are feeling...:bounce:
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:24 PM
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We are seeing it. All of his insights and points being proven left and right. By his opponents trying to dismiss his speech as a hollow political ploy (implication: he doesn't believe what he's saying) and by the media who is proving his point by desperately trying to buoy this whole issue in the pursuit of a "dramatic story".
What he did is hold a mirror up to each and every American.
It seems that some are hellbent on denying what they see in the reflection.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:29 PM
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10. Absolutely! The truth of it has made them uncomfortable and scared. |
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:32 PM
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14. To everything spin, spin, spin |
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It's good to see that the Obama camp is finally getting down how to spin well.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:32 PM
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15. If I can ask one question without getting bashed for it |
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I saw the speech , for me personally I did not hear anything I did not realize already . I am not a racist or a repub or a Hillary fan .
I just do wonder one thing in general . When I consider the racism in this world and mainly this country then I have to wonder who will really change their views based on Obamas speech today ?
If someone is truely racist they will not have listened and if they did listen is this speech going to really change their minds ?
Maybe it will to some extent I don't know .
Will his speech today bring racism to a boil from those who do not want anyone who is black to be recognized ?
The thing that concerns me most is that I know there are groups of racist people out there and the speech will not change their minds it may only fire them up more .
Was he more than anything else focusing on the youth ? It must be known that anyone who supports Obama is not a racist so he has them already .
Was it just fear of losing some supporters because of what Wright said ?
These are just questions , not judgments .
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:34 PM
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16. why don't you let people speak for themselves? I hate to say it, but, |
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this sounds like some bullshit that you pulled out of your own asshat.
Ass-covering speeches in a presidential campaign aren't as inspiring as you might think.
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Tue Mar-18-08 07:37 PM
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17. Why are you threatened by truth and justice bigtree? What about Obama's speech worries you? |
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Are you frightened now that you have nothing to harp about? Are you desperately seeking something to hold onto so you can have Hillary win at any cost? Do tell.
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Tue Mar-18-08 08:12 PM
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26. It's hard to have your state of denial pried out of your cold, dead mind. |
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Some people embrace denial like some sort of life preserver when their boat's sinking.
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Tue Mar-18-08 09:30 PM
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30. it was ok. not really that impressed, nt |
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Tue Mar-18-08 09:39 PM
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you mean the HYPOCRICY and LYING and PANDERING?
sorry - I refuse to drink the KoolAid...
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Wed Mar-19-08 03:18 PM
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34. What flavor do you like? |
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Wed Mar-19-08 03:20 PM
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35. I thought it was a crafty bit of damage control -- Slickly worded -- NT |
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