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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:34 PM
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Hillary Clinton is hoping...
that the super delegates go against the will of the people and give her the nod. Her supporters are fine with this, thats right...the same supporters who demanded in 2000 that 'every vote count' ..now want the votes ignored.

The Democratic Party does not behave this way.



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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:36 PM
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1. this coming from the campaign who doesn't want revotes in MI and FL
but prefers them to have no delegates at all.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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6. Since when did any rulebook call for revotes fiananced by the campaigns??
FL and MI knew the rules. Simple as that.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:57 PM
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9. and those very same rules permit the superdelegates to vote for whom they wish
you can't argue fairness on the superdelegates and rules on the primaries.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:02 PM
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11. What does one thing have to do with the other??
First you're talking about revotes and now your talking about Superdelegates? Get your stuff straight then come back to me .
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:16 PM
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14. either the rules matter or they don't
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 08:17 PM by dsc
If the argument against revotes is that the rules preclude them, then you have no legit argument against the superdelegates. But if your argument is will of the people, then what about the will of MI and FL, or are those people not people.
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:22 AM
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19. The rules do matter
The superdelegates *could* override the pledged delegate majority that Obama will have. The pledged delegates that Obama has *could* decide to support Hillary. Just because things *could* be done under the rules does not mean that it will be done, however.

First, keep in mind who these superdelegates are - they are hard-core Democrats. If you REALLY think that they will tell the voters in effect, "hey, thanks for voting! It looks like a most of you want Obama, but we're going to give it to Hillary instead", then I have a bridge to sell you. Have you thought about what the ramifications of such a decision on the Democratic party would be? Seriously... think about what would happen. One thing is to consider what would happen with the MOST LOYAL contingent of Democratic voters we have - African-American voters. How do you think those voters would feel to have the candidate that they are supporting to wind up with the most delegates at the convention have the nomination given to the candidate with fewer delegates by party bigwigs who think they're smarter than everyone else?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:23 AM
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20. :D
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:36 PM
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2. That really is undemocratic thinking - wish the msm would point that out.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:41 PM
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3. A USA Today poll of Democrats has 55% refusing to support her if..
....Obama has the most pledged delegates but she "wins" by the supers going to her at the convention.

MSNBC has been showing this statistic all day.

If THAT isnt a sign she should quit, nothing is.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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5. Nice. Hadn't seen that. That gives me hope.
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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:50 PM
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4. What
Months before Obama became the frontrunner Obama supporters were talking about sitting out the election if he lost.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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7. But that's ok.
big sigh.
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:59 PM
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10. I don't remember it that way
I don't recall that Obama EVER trailed in pledged delegates, so he was the front runner since Iowa. And the Obama peeps didn't turn on Clinton till SC
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:56 PM
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8. The Democratic party set up the super delegate system, not Hillary, so they could override
the votes of the people if they made the wrong choice, take it up with them

hell they cannot even run a 50 state election, they cut the delegates from FL & MI
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:07 PM
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12. Haven't you people figured out we aren't living in a democracy yet...
... although I wish we were.

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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:11 PM
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13. Superdelagates? Will of the people? What are you talking about?
Contrary to popular belief, it is perfectly acceptable for the superdelegates to "go against the will of the people." They are directed to vote their conscience. My state went for Obama and my local paper had an article recently how several superdelegates in my state are voting for Hillary.

Should Kerry and Kennedy in Mass. go with the will of their people?
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Blarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:21 PM
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15. excuse me...
"Contrary to popular belief, it is perfectly acceptable for the super delegates to "go against the will of the people."

It seems most Democrats think it is UNACCEPTABLE...and will not stand for it.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:57 AM
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16. They have no choice but "to stand for it." There is NOTHING they can do about it!
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:57 AM by DemVet
Short of starting a riot, that is.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:03 AM
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17. What problem do you have with following the rules? It seems that a lot of people
want to change the rules when it doesn't favor their candidate. Of course she is hoping for the superdelegate vote and her supporters are fine with that because it follows the rules that were set forth by the DNC.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:08 AM
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18. The Clinton party does
The Democratic Party does not behave this way.
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