I'm convinced Hillary Clinton cannot win the nomination.

[PresidentObama]

First off, to my fellow Clinton supporters. I hope you realize this thread and this post isn't meant to be any sign of disrespect to you guys or Senator Clinton. I think this election has been long, and has been long fought. We're all passionate, on all sides. And I think you guys should be proud that you stood by the person you believed should be the next President of the United States.

Earlier today, I read an article talking about Florida not re-voting. And I just read another one on Yahoo about Michigan looking like it won't re-vote as well. I posed the question earlier to you guys "what is the path to victory?" and I got a mixed bag. Some of us seemed angry that Florida and Michigan wouldn't be counted, so this election can't possibly go in our favor. Some of us decided to shy away from the true outcome that is beginning to take shape before our eyes.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton cannot win the nomination.

Even if she win's Pennsylvania big, she can't turn the ship around enough to pull out enough delegates, votes, and momentum to take the nomination.

This depresses me. I still remember the days after Iowa when all of us who supported Edwards prayed, held our heads high, and batted off the DUers who told our candidate to drop out and who said we didn't have a chance in hell.

It hurt to realize my candidate, John Edwards, didn't have the momentum to win. I thought he was the best candidate, and spoke the most truth. But unfortunately, that wasn't enough.

I don't know what I'll do. Continue to support a candidate who I know will not win. Go on the fence, and let the nomination take shape. Or move onto the General Election battle against John McCain.

But one things for sure, I think it's over. And I hate this feeling :(

I hope all Obama supporters can respect my post, respect that I've shown Senator Obama respect and truly believe he's a great man and a fine politician, and will leave this thread be if they intend to say something snarky or mean.

Thanks :(

[Kittycat]

1. ..

:hug:

[PresidentObama]

3. Thanks. It's rainy, and flooding here. Really gloomy, and I'm depressed.

Time to hit the thin mints.

Girl Scout cookies are in.

[movonne]

2. I give you lots of respect....

[MannyGoldstein]

4. Virtually Every Candidate I've Ever Pulled For Has Lost

Let's all hope that we get a Democrat into the White House, and that things turn around.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

19. we all feel the same here...it's been a long bad stretch of loses for us

We all just want a Dem in the WH

[Perky]

5. Thank you for a thoughtful post

She is a fine human being and her loyal supporter do her great credit. As an ardent Obama supporter, I extend you a hanshake for a valiant spirited effort. Well done.

[PresidentObama]

8. Thank you! n/t

[XemaSab]

6. K&R

As a Dean supporter in 2004, I know how it feels. :(

[Danger Mouse]

7. I wouldn't dream of saying anything snarky or mean.

:hug:
on edit: you have been one of the nicest supporters of Clinton on this board.
anyone who even thinks of giving you crap on this thread will have to answer to me, too.

[scheming daemons]

9. Nothing snarky from me.... I appreciate the feeling.... I had it in 2004 with Howard Dean....

...

[Catherina]

10. No snarkiness here. You've always been thoughtful and never crass

Posts like yours make me feel bad for good supporters. I'm sorry you're depressed about it but if you truly believe Obama is a great man, get his book "Audacity of Hope". I think reading it will bring you tremendous consolation and hope that things will change and that none of the dreams you had for a Kerry win in 2004 are dead.

Kerry will help him do great things and you'll be really proud for having supported 2 great people. Senator Clinton can help him to. Who knows what tomorrow brings? Whatever it brings, I hope it fulfills your hopes for this country.

:hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

11. ...

:hug:

I mean that. :)

[SoonerPride]

12. I know exactly how you feel

I voted for Clinton.

But then I realized the race was lost.

She cannot win the party nomination without destroying the party and the supers won't do that, so it is over.

[writes3000]

13. About Michigan and Florida - my prediction - They will be seated

Eventually.

But they will not be allowed to be seated until the nomination is decided. Their votes will count but they will not be allowed to be the deciding factor.

I'm sure that will tick off some people but it will be the cost of their decision to move up their primaries.

But they will be seated and they will count. As soon as the nomination is decided.

PS - I know you're feeling disappointed. I'm sorry and I feel for you. We'll see what happens next.

[Teaser]

14. Well, I know how you feel

My candidates rarely win. It's a rough feeling.

[meow mix]

15. You never even made my ignore list... not near mean enough =)

*hugs

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. I was an Edwards supporter too

I think the time is to get behind the future
and not the past, stagnation of old ways of
looking at things can only continue the impasse.

Thank you for your post, you have always been fair on this board.

[jasmine621]

17. You support the candidate whom you think is best for you and the country.

Win or lose. There is no shame in fighting a good fight and losing. There is shame in giving up before the battle is over. Any damn thing can happen and the Jeramiah Wright incident proves it. I like Obama but lost some respect for him when he denied being present at Wright's controversial sermons at first. I still like him but I am an ardent Hillary supporter and will be to the end.

[NDambi]

18. Much respect. honestly.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. I don't believe that Obama can win the GE after this Wright thing ...I just want a Dem in the WH

[scheming daemons]

24. You've been VERY anti-Obama long before you ever heard of Rev. Wright.....

... be honest, ED.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. yes I support my candidate..I like Obama...hell love him after his speech today but

I believe he still has no chance to win the GE

[scheming daemons]

36. 51% self-identify as Dem, 41% self-identify as GOP.... If everyone who considers themselves a Dem..

votes for our candidate, we cannot lose.


If the 20% of Clinton supporters that say they won't vote for Obama decide to ultimately vote for him anyway... we can't lose.

[KAZ]

65. Wow ElsewheresDaughter! Wish you would open up more often.

Though, I'm the same way. I usually never post more than a couple of lines. I guess I'm shy.

[verges]

71. McCain is defeatable.

1) Remember, a lot of Republicans don't like him either.

2) He admits that he doesn't understand the economy. With our economy sliding downhill in an accelerating pace, that's not a good thing for a Presidential candidate to admit. It' kinda like hiring a truck driver without a driver's license.

3) 100 years. Americans still want out of Iraq. As long as young American men and women are dieing for no good reason, and the expense is pointed out, McCain's vulnerable.

4) The least vulnerable, yet still an issue, is his age and health. He looks frail. Reagan looked robust for his age. McCain doesn't. He will be 72 if he is inaugutated. That means after two terms, he will be 80.

[Double T]

35. obama could NOT win the GE BEFORE the wright thing.

wright is obama's cou'de gra!

[Teaser]

40. "coup de grâce"

.

[Double T]

53. Then Yahoo isn't my friend when it comes to spelling.

Getting to the point where ALL information authorities are questionable.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070810212545AACqLdW

[Teaser]

56. It's all good man

I'm just a stickler for my french. worry not.

[krkaufman]

82. say la vee... n/t

:evilgrin:

(couldn't help myself)

[Snarkoleptic]

21. We'll soon be able to unite against our common enemy...McSame.

[Colobo]

22. Obama/Clinton. I want it.

[PresidentObama]

25. We need it. Heal a wounded party, and take back a bleeding nation.

[jlake]

27. I can get behind that. Especially if it happens sooner rather than later.

[goldcanyonaz]

28. Really? Many Clinton supporters have suggested a unity ticket since New Hampshire.

I would not only vote for that ticket, but I would work hard to get it elected.

Without each other come November, we lose.

:grouphug:

[KAZ]

41. It's starting to grow on me. If she was out kicking McCain's...

.. ass a little more, it might even blossom.

[David__77]

57. I agree.

It probably wouldn't take much for me to see Clinton in a positive light.

[krkaufman]

83. My more deluded optimistic self was hoping that Sen. Clinton ...

... would take the opportunity to leverage the Wright controversy to throw her support behind Obama, but the window is rapidly closing.

[femmedem]

23. My heart goes out to you.

I was an Edwards supporter too, so much so that I voted for him a few days after he dropped out.

I think everyone on this board has had some electoral heartaches. Hell, I'm still hurting because Lieberman beat Lamont.

I only switched my avatar to Obama fairly recently. And it really wasn't until today that he won me over completely.

I hope when you're ready you'll listen to his speech, if you haven't already. And I hope you'll come away feeling better about our nominee.

[butterfly77]

76. Yes, Now he looks Presidental...

[rwheeler31]

26. Thank you. All we can do is think about the court.

There will never be justice under Gop rule.

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

39. One of the best threads

I have been on. As an Obama supporter I salute you and your candidate of choice. It is a shame that the GD-P has got so desisive and mean. I really believe we can come together as a party and win the G.E. I talked to one of the other Obama workers in my county today. She is in her late 70's and served as the first black justice of peace in this part of Texas, and we talked about our hopes and dreams for our party. Unity is what we talked about.


We can not as a country afford another 4 years of Republican rule.

Vote Democratic in the GE.
Peace

[futureliveshere]

29. The journey is the reward

Whoever wins, it MUST be a democrat in the WH next year. But you are right, HRC cannot win now and kudos to her and you for a great battle. Obama has had to really work for his victory, and will in all likeliness have to continue to work hard till he secures the nomination.

[suston96]

30. I agree with that. Without Michigan and Florida there is no hope no matter what.....

...happens in Pennsylvania and the rest.

[No Blood for Hubris]

32. Yeah, I really care what Kerry thinks. His whole state voted against him, and for Hillary.

Take that to the bank.

[Teaser]

42. Kerry didn't write this, you know. This is a DU user.

.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. I think you're right. I think this has been the case since Super Tuesday.

I can't see why she continues to campaign, to be honest.

And if she goes on much longer, if there's a rift in the party that causes us to lose to McCain, I will lay that square on her doorstep ...... in a flaming bag of dog shit.

[comrade snarky]

34. I know exactly how you feel

And it truly sucks...

This is the first national election in my life where it looks like the guy I started with will win the nomination. I was a Paul Simon supporter for gods sake. Paul Simon! Bow tie and all! God I'm old...

I know your depression, you just want to grab America by the lapel and shake it yelling "What the hell is wrong with you!" Like how we all feel when a Bush is elected. If you can get through that, accept the loss and move on to support the other candidate you don't need to ask for my respect. You have it. We are on the same side.

Now lets kick McButt

[Lisa0825]

37. I know how it feels.

I was 15 feet from Dean during "the scream." I traveled to Iowa and New Hampshire from Texas for him. I started this season favoring Edwards. On top of those heartbreaks, I AM IN TEXAS for goodness sake! I have worked for more losing candidates in the past 6 years than I care to mention, and the only national candidate I have voted for since I was 18 has been Bill Clinton. Losing is no fun. But at least you cared enough to make an effort for your candidate, and we need as many passionate people for the GE as we can get.

I hate how many hurtful things have been said in this forum this season... on both sides. I hate that some folks may not be able to look past that for the GE. I hope that there will be some serious healing beginning in the near future. If I have offended anyone at any time, I hope they will let me know so I can apologize personally. I have apologized when I knew I either overstepped, misinterpreted, or misspoke.

Finally, I hope that once we all begin aiming at a "common enemy," we will come together to take him down, and his wretched party with him.

:hug:

[better tomorrow]

38. that is how a lot of us Obama supporters felt last week when

the media was playing Wright over and over and over again. I'm sure the tide will turn for you in the next few weeks, but either way one group of us will ultimately feel that stomach pain.

A word to the wise, leave your options open. Anything is better than McCain, who had to rely on Lieberman to day to tell him who Al Queda is......that is REALLY gloomy.

Barack wants to unite us, not divide us. If Hillary falls, please give him a chance. We need you just as much as you need us. Don't let us destroy ourselves and our party.

[MindMatter]

43. It is a process biased towards sorrow

It is like the NCAA tournament. 63 teams go home disappointed.

We take these candidacies very seriously -- hopefully more seriously than a basketball game. So it is (or at least should be) a much more emotional thing when our candidate takes his or her bows.

The candidate can help a lot by not staying around against all odds, by exiting with grace, and by being genuinely helpful to the candidate that prevails. I hope one day very soon, the Clintons decide on that course. For all of us.

A Clinton concession now, for example, could lad the way to a reconciliation with the FL and MI delegations.

[faithfulcitizen]

44. It took me 3 years to come back to DU since Clark's 04 loss. I'm sorry you are feeling down.

I hope soon we can unite soon whatever the outcome.

[jillan]

45. I don't know if Murtha would agree with you.

[PresidentObama]

47. I don't always agree with Murtha.

[onehandle]

46. But this is BashDemocrats Underground.

No nice talk allowed. The "rules" have been bent away from civility.

O8)

[slinkerwink]

48. she can't win the nomination on this path, but she can with

the superdelegates, and I think that would be very divisive to the party, to be honest.

[Johnny__Motown]

49. Thanks for being honest, just focus on the GE time will heal the wound

[Skip Intro]

50. Let's see what happens. We have a system. No one has won yet.

Let the process continue until we have a winner.

A lot can happen in five weeks.

[PresidentObama]

54. Well, I don't think seeing what happens will change anything. What's a logical way she can win?

There is none. I'm sorry, it's just how I feel and how I realistically see it.

And unfortunately, I've noticed quite a few Hillary supporters seeing the writing on the wall as well.

And it sucks :(

[Skip Intro]

62. She's still in for a reason. Super delegates will decide. A lot can change in five weeks.

Neither candidate will have enough pledged delegates to win in any scenario. Super dels will determine the winner.

It ain't over till its over.

[PresidentObama]

63. Superdelegates won't go against the will of the people, and if they do..the party will be in turmoil

[Skip Intro]

66. Again, five weeks is a long time. The aces haven't been played yet.

Let's delcare a winner when we have a winner. No harm in letting the process play out.

[wileedog]

79. There is harm in it

It is wasted time attacking each other instead of McCain. It is wasting millions in money that could be used against him. It is eroding the appeal of both Dems as the attacks have gotten worse, to the point where an awful candidate like him is steadily moving ahead of them in the polls.

And for what? The off chance the Superdelegates completely lose their mind and blow up the party by electing Hillary?

It was a good campaign, but anyone not named Clinton would have been declared politically dead several weeks ago. It needs to end soon.

[slinkerwink]

51. also, thank you for your post

We really do need to come together as a party. I don't think this protracted primary battle is good for the party.

[libbygurl]

52. Hey, I'm not convinced that she can't. Still a ways to go before things get settled.

It's just a low day for you today. Don't worry, things will start to pick up in PA and afterwards. Trust me on that.

[emilyg]

55. Great attitude.

[Unbowed]

58. Nobody should say anything snarky or mean. It took courage for you to make this post.

I too lost my first choice in this race. Dodd. He didn't have a prayer. But I liked the man.

And your screen name would have been my first choice had the good senator been in the race: Kerry 2008. I'm one of those people...the ones who still have their Kerry stickers on their cars. I'm supporting Obama, but my bumper sticker still says Kerry. The car will go to the bone yard before that sticker gets peeled off. So I do know how hard it can be to let go.

Peace.

[PresidentObama]

61. I still have my Kerry 04' and Kerry 08' buttons, yard signs, rally signs. I miss Senator Kerry :)

[Unbowed]

84. I've got a large collection of Kerry memorabilia. I miss him too. Fine senator. Fine man. n/t

[loveangelc]

59. It's not over.

But do you think it's possible she'd be appointed as Supreme Court Justice or would she not pass and is she too polarizing?

[Barack_America]

60. You'll get nothing but support from this Obama supporter...

Even though you and I have had our disagreements in the past.

:hug:

[ClayZ]

64. Thanks for your post!

K and R:patriot:

[goletian]

67. look on the bright side: if hillary cant beat him, mccain has NO CHANCE. we got this, buddy.

cheers!

[sudopod]

68. *hug* nt

[jconner27]

69. I don't see it as bad

I'm not sad about if Hillary loses she tried and she didn't give up despite calls for her to do so. Yet we still have a chance to change the country with Barack Obama, granted he wasn't my first choice and some of his supporters have made it hard to rally behind him but the important thing is making sure Barack Obama is elected president and add more Dems to both houses (a topic people have forgotten about)

[greyghost]

70. I was for John as well, so I know how you feel. We all need to get

behind Senator Obama and win in November.

[PresidentObama]

73. Absolutely. November is more important than one candidate or one campaign.

[boppers]

72. Hang on, kiddo.

In a little while, we're gonna lock arms, and work in 50 states to:
A) Take more house seats.
B) Take more senate seats.
C) Take back the people's house, and put one of our people in it.

[Tom Rinaldo]

74. I respectfully disagree

Not since New Hampshire has momentum in this race seemed to favor Hillary Clinton. We are so used to thinking of Obama as the likely nominee that it is hard to imagine the public climate that would exist if momentum swung deciisively toward Hillary Clinton for the final two months of this campaign. If she wins PA soundly, if she comes back and then wins not only West Virginia and Puerto Rico, but Inidana and North Carolina, and possibly even Oregon on top of that, we will be looking at a very different political climate than the one we are in now.

Imagine the national Polls all showing Hillary Clinton with a 5 to 10 percent lead over Barack Obama come June. Imagine national polling that consistently shows Hillary Clinton with a better chance to defeat John McCain than Barack Obama. Imagine opinion polls in Florida and Michigan that show Democratic voters there continuing to support Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama by wide margins, even if no revotes there happen. That would mean that Clinton ended this primary season with an impressive run that began with her winning the popular vote in Rhode Island, Ohio, and Texas. That would mean her showing winning strength in all regions of our nation and her support growing the longer the campaign continued.

I don't know how much if any of those things will come to pass, but if they all did Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. And while the scenario I describe may not be the likely one, it is definately plausible.

[Texas Hill Country]

75. It is not over just yet. Things could get worse for Obama... what if there is video..

what is shit comes out in the rezko trial, what if, what if....


I hope this is rolling to a close soon, whoever wins, but it aint over by a longshot.

[CatsDogsBabies]

77. Why would you

want things to get worse for Obama? Really, no matter how you look at it things getting worse for Obama are not going to help anyone. How could things getting worse for Obama help Hillary? In the GE, I think Obama has a much better chance of beating McCain in a one on one battle. McCain is going to try to win against anyone he is against, and I hate to say this, but if people don't see much difference between McCain and Clinton they will go for McCain. In the big scheme of things, I also think Obama has a more effective way of responding to attacks than I have seen in the Clinton campaign.

[DeschutesRiver]

78. Nothing wrong with that

To the OP: It is an honest post, and your thoughts echo those of many others. Despite every candidate's attempt to state otherwise or speak to us as if we don't know how to think clearly, we all are charged with the weighty decision of deciding these matters ourselves ultimately. Can our candidate survive? Can they go against the opposition and win? And if they do, what on earth have we done (joke - because if they don't live up to our expectations once in office, it is just another bad 4 year stint. One of many many many we've had since our country's inception. It won't kill us, just make us sad).

I wish you luck in making your final decision. I don't remember an election that I've ever been this excited about regarding some of my choices. OTOH, I don't ever remember in my 50 years on the planet a time where I was seeing what I am happening to our financial system. Never, not during a single one of the many bubbles inflated to lull us away from critical choices that we should have been making. The best candidate has to inspire us when we can't face any more, has to deal with what will be a harsh reality thatmany won't do well facing, has to work with us to find the best of all the bad solutions available at the time, and help us work together while doing his/her best to eliminate the divisiveness that runs in the background at all times. And that is just with regards to the econonmy alone - and there are many many other issues like war, health care, on and on...

I don't envy whoever we choose for this job, at this point in time - the president isn't a magician who can wave a wand and make all the bad go away. Not without everyone pitching in.

[gayron]

80. LOL I know Idaho will turn blue this year right.

[RichardRay]

81. Bummer.

It's been about 40 years since a candidate I supported won a national election. I keep picking one and going around again, though. It gets easier...

If Barack goes all the way then I get to break my losing streak. If he doesn't, I just start again. Hillary's not so old that she can't try again. If you believe that's what the country needs then hang in there. You won't get dissed by me.