Oh My God, its not like Obama can look sincere if he actually threw Wright under the bus

[AGirl]

It's not like he did anything really revolutionary, like, how can he dismiss him just like that after knowing him for 20 years and going to his church, he can't pretend fake outrage, hes not an actor. He did what he need to do. Not a big freaking deal. Get over it. Geez. Some people are so dramatic.

[billbuckhead]

1. It was a Checkers speech cloaked in civil rights rhetoric

[AGirl]

2. well using an Intellectual "apology" to reframe issue into a a discussion about race is a masterful

political strategy..i wonder if he pulled it off.

[AGirl]

3. It's kind of like a cheating spouse telling his wife that well..i may have cheated but are humans

really monogamous animals? lol

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. like the New Gov Patersoin of NY...which is about to lose his seat for adultry and using his Lt Gov

office for affairs.....there goes one of Obama's super delegates

[leftynyc]

23. What are you talking about?

Governor Paterson isn't going anywhere and I believe he's a superdelegate for Sen Clinton (as was Spitzer).

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. Paterson did far worse then Spitzer..he used State funds for his affairs

Among the Paterson campaign’s expenses were two in September 2001 at a hotel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan that Mr. Paterson’s office has confirmed he used for an extramarital affair during that period.

The expenses, totaling $455, were incurred at what was then the Quality Hotel on West 94th Street on Sept. 10 and Sept. 24, and are listed in campaign reports as office-related. On each of those days, the reports also show expenses for Amtrak train travel between Albany and New York and meals at Upper West Side restaurants. Mr. Paterson has indicated that a staff member might have stayed at the hotel on those nights. The reports show no record of reimbursements for any of those expenses.

[kwassa]

28. and how do you know that he wasn't also on campaign business?

sounds like a small scandal at best.

Also this is completely unrelated to the OP

[ElsewheresDaughter]

29. because he admits it was used for his affair

[kwassa]

31. and how does this relate to Obama???

[leftynyc]

32. Let me know when that is proven

Until then, New Yorkers historically don't give a shit about the sex lives of their politicians. We didn't care that Koch was gay, we didn't care that Giuliani was a hound dog and if Spitzer was just having an affair and not breaking the law, we wouldn't have cared about that either.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

36. then why should Spitzers have been made to resign?

[leftynyc]

43. Spitzer broke the law

I have to believe he was guilty of money laundering and the Mann act or he wouldn't have resigned. An affair wouldn't have brought him down. The hypocrisy of coming down hard on prostitution rings while using a call girl is what brought him down. Not an affair.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. it's proven.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/nyregion/19campaign.html?_r=1&scp=5&sq=&st=nyt&oref=slogin

[leftynyc]

44. It says a staffer may have used the hotel

Do you have any proof that isn't true?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. do you need remedial?....what part of Paterson's admittance do you not understand.....

Among the Paterson campaign’s expenses were two in September 2001 at a hotel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan that Mr. Paterson’s office has confirmed he used for an extramarital affair during that period.

The expenses, totaling $455, were incurred at what was then the Quality Hotel on West 94th Street on Sept. 10 and Sept. 24, and are listed in campaign reports as office-related. On each of those days, the reports also show expenses for Amtrak train travel between Albany and New York and meals at Upper West Side restaurants. Mr. Paterson has indicated that a staff member might have stayed at the hotel on those nights. The reports show no record of reimbursements for any of those expenses.

[leftynyc]

46. I'm not sure what your first

question means although I think you were unintentionally hilarious. I see that a staff member may have used that hotel for perfectly innocent reasons. What do you see?

[rucky]

7. I didn't understand that comment the first 4 times.

:wtf:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. interesting analogy

[Texas Hill Country]

26. This Clinton supporter sez shame on you. that is over the line.

[Bonobo]

4. I thought you were on of us now!?

Your brilliantly deceptive stealth campaign has made my poor, simple mind self-destruct. Smoke comes out of ears. Cannot compute. Cannot compute.

Oh, you devil you!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

33. Hardly a supporter of any Democrat....

Peruse some of these fine commentaries: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5141917&mesg_id=5142521

[joeglow3]

5. He sure managed to throw his grandmother under the bus

Amazing how his pastor started all this and the one Obama tosses to the wolves is his grandmother.

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[LostinVA]

27. Resorting to violent threats now?

You were funnier before. Sexist as hell, but somehow still funnier.

[babylonsister]

9. Did you read Obama's book? THIS is amazing:

YOU should be ashamed of yourself for repeating r/w talking points. Are you sure you're on the right forum?

From DUer EffieBlack:


"Obama threw his grandmother under the bus" - nearly 700 Google hits

Obviously, this is the RW - and apparently DU - talking point for the day.

FYI, to all those who are tempted to use this pathetic claim, Obama spoke in depth about this in his book more than 10 years ago:

"{My grandfather} turned around and I saw that he was shaking. ‘It is a big deal. It’s a big deal to me. She’s been bothered by men before. You know why she’s so scared this time. I’ll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.’ He whispered the word. ‘That’s the real reason why she’s bothered. And I just don’t think that right.’

"The words were like a fist in my stomach, and I wobbled to regain my composure. In my steadiest voice, I told him that such an attitude bothered me, too, but reassured him that Toot’s fears would pass and that we should give her a ride in the meantime. Gramps slumped into a chair in the living room and said he was sorry he had told me. Before my eyes, he grew small and old and very sad. I put my hand on his shoulder and told him that it was all right, I understood.

"We remained like that for several minutes, in painful silence. Finally he insisted that he drive Toot after all, and struggled up from his seat to get dressed. After they left, I sat on the edge of my bed and thought about my grandparents. They had sacrificed again and again for me. They had poured all their lingering hopes into my success. Never had they given me reason to doubt their love; I doubted if they ever would. And yet I knew that men who might easily have been my brothers would still inspire their rawest fear."

He didn't - to use the recently ubiquitous term - "throw his grandmother under the bus." He spoke openly and honestly about his own personal experiences in a family who he loves very much, something he has been doing since before he ran for public office.

Of course, one of the reasons people are trying to mischaracterize and caricature this is that Obama's personal observation was so compelling and impactful - they'll do anything they can to try to smear, denigrate and belittle it and him.

[joeglow3]

15. Sorry, that was poorly worded

All I am saying is that perception is reality. NONE of this should be an issue. However, Wright has been raised to the point that Obama HAD to address it or it would sabatoge his campaign. My concern is that while he gave one of the best speeches I have ever heard, did it really address the reason why he was forced to give this speech? Will it shut up those trying to make a non-issue a legitimate one?

Regarding his grandmother, I have no doubt that Obama loves her with all his heart. However, I can see how some people think he was more willing to condemn actions of hers than he was to condemn those of Wrights. And, like I said, with most sheep in the US, perception is reality.

[babylonsister]

17. Yet YOU claimed he threw her under the bus. You might be part

of the problem if you keep repeating stuff that isn't true. Just sayin'. Maybe a more positive, pro-active approach of trying to educate might work better. Perception can be changed with the truth. And thanks for clearing that up.

[IndianaJones]

8. his racist granny is bumping along under there though. nt.

[Bonobo]

10. IndianaJones, you think Obama was wrong for admitting his Grandma told him she feared Black men?

And for admitting that she said some things that made him cringe?

I remember being a little kid and driving through Queens with my Grandmother and Grandfather and they would use the word "Schwarzes" to describe black people.

The place was "full of drek" because of all the "Schwarzes", etc.

They were wonderfu, wonderful, moral people too, my grandparents. Truly.

...But even then, at age 7 or 8 or whatever I was, I knew they meant no good when they said "Schwarzes".

Just a story...

Do you have any experiences with Black people, IndianaJones? Just wondering...

[thesubstanceofdreams]

11. Don't bother bonobo

Some people put the smears of the campaign above a needed mature discussion about race.

[NYCGirl]

13. Did you hear the story Olbermann told about his grandfather last night?

OLBERMANN: Yes, Rachel, to that point, my father, a firefighter put himself in danger to save people, didn‘t care who they were. His parents were immigrants to this country, and they came to New York, you know, in the late 1800s. They‘re still na‹ve, they told him, don‘t touch a black person, the color will come off on your hands.

And one night, I was nine years old, my parents were out to dinner, he was baby sitting me, television‘s on, and, you know, the middle of Hawaii Five-O or (INAUDIBLE) et cetera, whatever the show was, on comes the news bulletin from Memphis, Martin Luther King assassinated. And my grandfather who was a good man says, why did they interrupt my show to tell me about some “N” word getting shot?

And it went right through me because I know who Martin Luther King was, you know, I was like nine, and now, I knew about my grandfather. I can‘t talk to him about race relations and if we start talking who is the ball player, Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle? I can‘t trust his answer. But I didn‘t love him any less and I couldn‘t throw him under a bus somewhere.

I‘m just wondering, as complicated as this whole story is, did Obama bringing his own grandmothers prejudices into this thing suddenly make the whole issue amazingly simple?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23707772/

[babylonsister]

19. I think he was making the point that we all have people in our

lives that say things we totally don't agree with, but that doesn't mean we love them less. I was proud of KO for sharing; he didn't have to.

[NYCGirl]

20. I especially love the part about not being able to talk about who's better,

Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle. Shows you how obsessed with baseball he was (he had his first book published when he was 14, and it was about baseball).

[OzarkDem]

30. What struck me as odd

was that Obama didn't say anything about loving his grandmother, only that she loved him. The two people who helped him most in his early years - his grandparents - don't receive any kind or loving words from Obama.

I'm sure he had a lot of problems growing up in a mixed race family at a time when it was so controversial and no doubt the pressures were great to a young Obama. But he seems to harbor a special resentment against the women in his life - his mother and her mother - for somehow failing him.

His inability to resolve these issues shows up in his leanings towards misogyny, his failure to place any importance on women's issues in public life. Is he entitled to have these feelings? Sure.
But don't blame women voters for not supporting a candidate who has such difficulty acknowledging and dealing with his problems in this area. Its one more reason why he's not ready for POTUS.

[Bonobo]

34. "He seems to harbor a special resentment against the women in his life." Really?

[OzarkDem]

39. Towards his mother and her mother, yes, he does

The comments he made about his grandmother in his speech the other day speak volumes of his feelings about her - "she loved him" but he never mentions that he loved her. Instead he paints her as a racist. Pretty sad, I feel sorry for him.

[cali]

38. get help

you post sick shit constantly. disgusting.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. Fresh off your mandatory week hiatus,.. what lovely prose and sentiment

:puke:

[OzarkDem]

41. Truth hurts

and yes, I had second thoughts about posting again in this dross pool of Obama support, but its difficult to resist the temptation to inject reasoned arguments where none exist.

Casting pearls before swine, so to speak.

[Capn Sunshine]

12. oh my god

The freepers have taken over this board. They are now starting AND responding to entire threads.
You don't have to look far for an example.

The intelligence level here has sunk to an all time low.

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[mtnsnake]

22. kwenu, you are one sick anb disgusting puppy. n/t

[Inuca]

24. Unfortunately, you did not understand a thing n/t

[JimGinPA]

35. Oh Look! Sybil's Back!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Skwmom]

42. Look Sincere? Another Clinton/Rove post.