Hillary Expands Lead in PA to 26 points PPP / Obama Speech Raises More Questions Than Answers

[LulaMay]

A new Public Policy Polling survey in Pennsylvania shows Hillary Clinton expanding her lead to 26 points, 56% to 30%, after a very bad news week for Sen. Barack Obama's campaign.

Key findings: "Some of the lead is attributable to Clinton racking up large leads in her key demographics, such as a 66-20 advantage with female voters. But she's holding Obama down with his key groups. He is only at 63% with black voters in the poll, a percentage much smaller than what he has been getting in most states."

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Before people say this poll means nothing because it was taken right before the speech, consider this; Breakdown of polls show that among those who already supported him, that remains unchanged, but among others there has been up to a 30% increase in people who see him negatively.

For those people, I do not think Barack's speech today is going to change anyones mind. They are angry about Wright, very angry.

There has been commentary on TV that his speech raised more questions than it answered.

Among the problems noted were that it seemed unbelievable that he hadn't heard any of the very offensive things Wright said in 20 years of attending his sermons, and that he was trying to qualify that today because it sounds so disingenuous.

Correlations are being made between Wright's remarks and Michelle Obama's remarks about not being proud to be an American.

Barack is also being criticized for comparing Wright to his now dead grandmother, and calling Wright 'family'.

The fact that he appeared to defend Wright rather than completely separate himself from him was not positive.

It is being noted that Wright has made anti-semitic remarks, sexist remarks, along with his 'God Damn America' speech.



http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/03/18/ppp_poll_clinton_way_ahead_in_pennsylvania.html

[Cali_Democrat]

1. How many times are people going to post the same polls over and over again? nt

[rodeodance]

20. well, now lets see--how many gushy threads are out there about the "speech"--all gushing.

[anamandujano]

44. In a few days, you may long for these polls. He will most likely

continue his descent. This forum is not a good gauge of the rest of the country.

[BeyondGeography]

2. The primary is five weeks away

Pace yourself.

[LulaMay]

19. I'm afraid this is going to follow him that long, and more if he gets the nomination.

It crossed the line. His negative numbers were going way up. His campaign knew it, thus the speech. It had nice moments, but ultimately it was damage control...

and the damage is huge and not going to go away.

It's very unfortunate he didn't leave Wright long ago, or at least when Oprah did.

[Tiggeroshii]

30. DId you think it was a bad speech? n/t

[DemVet]

50. As a Hillary supporter, no I didn't think it was a bad speech, however, it was

a speech he had to make (damage control), not one he wanted to make. Only time will tell if it helps him from continuing to sink from this Jeremiah Wright situation.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

34. Time for Hillary to denounce Elton John for his comments on religion

he would banish organized religion and said it breeds hate.

Is there a reason that right wing media friends of HIllary are not playing this statement
over and over and over?

Shouldn't Hillary "denounce and reject" Sir Elton John?

[cali]

47. No. How dishonest of you dear. You're wishing and praying and hoping

that Wright will do him in. Tough shit for you that it's very unlikely too. He's got 5 weeks to close the gap in PA, and he will lose it to 10 or 12. Historically, that's what he's done in state after state. Hilly is done. She's been done for over a month. Get the fork and stick it in.

[goldcanyonaz]

3. YAY! Fix the link in your OP, the h is missing from 'http'

[mrreowwr_kittty]

4. LulaMay, does racism bother you at all?

Just curious.

[JeffR]

7. self-delete

[emilyg]

10. Jeff - that's not nice.

[JeffR]

13. Well, maybe not.

But I'm pretty sure it's true, or I wouldn't have posted.

[LulaMay]

12. Yes, which is why I've spoken up about it since I was 11, at school, & called names for doing so.

But I don't believe you're really interested in me or who I am.

You and others here just don't like what I've been writing about sexism.

Does that bother YOU at all?


Your comments are insulting and have nothing to do with my post, except to accuse me of being racist by innuendo.

[JeffR]

17. Much of what you've written about sexism here has been on point

and well worth reading.

But a lot of what you've posted here comes so damn close to mirroring the genteel racial innuendo I grew up with in the Deep South in the '60s that I find myself a bit suspicious of your motives. Very suspicious, actually.

[LulaMay]

22. I'm not making those comments, I'm saying it is a big part of what's being discussed, and a problem.

[JeffR]

29. OK. I'm going to take that at face value & apologize for my snark

but having said that, I believe Obama did more than deflect that problem today. He vaulted right over it, and now it's up to the rest of America to catch up on where he's now taken the conversation. Will we? I don't know. We may be too backward as a nation to go there yet. I hope we're not.

[LulaMay]

35. OK. I'm glad you enjoyed my posts on sexism. People are trying to discredit me implying I'm a mole

or something.

It really really makes me mad.

Is that how some people here try to shut down others who express opinions they don't like?

[JeffR]

38. The air is rife with suspicion these days

There's been a lot of molery and trollery throughout primary season, just as there was 4 years ago. I think most people here are willing to entertain dissenting views, but it's very hard to differentiate those from deliberate attempts to demoralize, dissuade and divide Democrats. My take, anyway.

[LulaMay]

27. I also don't appreciate being accused of by innuendo of having ulterior motives. It's ridiculous.

[JeffR]

32. Please see post #29

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. LulaMay, I've spoken out about misogyny since the same age

But because I'm a true feminist, I believe that sexism and racism come out of the same stinky swamp known as the patriarchy. That's why I'd never react with glee over an African American candidate going down in the polls because of this country's xenophobia and racism. I also believe that kneejerk nationalism is a hallmark of patriarchy, so why you would point out Michelle Obama's perceived lack of patriotism, again with smug satisfaction, has me puzzled.

Feminism means being concerned about the equality and dignity of ALL women, not just the ones named Hillary Clinton.

[woolldog]

5. Do you work for the Obama or Clinton campaign?

If not why are you concerned about polls 5-6 weeks out? Who cares at this point? (No offense).

[LulaMay]

15. What does that even mean?

[woolldog]

18. I mean the PA primary is 5 weeks away

what's the point in looking at the polls now?

[JeffR]

6. self-delete

[meow mix]

9. i know.. bahgdad bob of the h camp never fails yah. LOL

that one has a desperate deep hate for obama im sure we know why.

[JeffR]

11. self-delete

[mrreowwr_kittty]

58. Baghdad Bob! ROFLMAO!!

:rofl:

Good one :thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

53. What's your point

[bluestateguy]

8. And if he threw Wright under the bus, then the same people would be compaining

I have no doubt about that.

[Blue_Roses]

14. OMG!

Dumb, dumb,dumb!

[Hieronymus]

16. It seems pretty well established that Hillary can't win in a fair election.

[rodeodance]

25. you people keep making up stuff and then duping your selves, then spreading it as if thuth. silly

[rodeodance]

21. REC

[TML]

23. Who the (bleep) is Public Polling Policy?

Never heard of them.

[rodeodance]

28. you no likey the ##?? tsky tsk. too bad.

[TML]

37. It's the only poll

skewed like that. Too bad for you.

[rodeodance]

40. saw another poll with Hillary going up sev. pts in PA today. So this poll is reasonable.

[TML]

42. Quinnipac has her down a point since March 6th

I call bullshit

[UALRBSofL]

24. These are great numbers LulaMay

I thoroughly expect these numbers to widen over the coming weeks. :)

[FlyingSquirrel]

26. Anyone who knows anything about polls knows it takes more than a day

And that a single poll cannot show a trend. Obama's been closing the gap in PA by about 0.45% per week over the last 23 weeks. The average gap is now about 13.5%. Give it a couple weeks for people to watch/read the speech, hear about it on the news, discuss with others, think about its merits compared with the merits of accepting the hate themes of those pushing the Wright narrative.

If, 2 weeks from now, Obama gains less than a percent on average of all polls taken, you can then say it has been a failure.

If Obama gains about a percent, you can say it's been a wash.

If, on the other hand, Obama gains 2 percent or more in PA (on average of all polls taken) in 2 weeks, I think you'll have to agree that his speech had a positive effect.

(I'll be bookmarking this one.)

[LulaMay]

31. I hope you're right, because if Hillary got the nomination, I've been hoping he'd be VP.

But if this follows him like it well may, that might not even be an option.

This whole horrible, unfortunate thing is the Rethugs dream I'm afraid.

[FlyingSquirrel]

36. There's a problem with that. Obama is actually the opposite of the Rethugs dream.

They are deathly scared of him which is why they want to knock him off right now and blame it on someone else (a certain Democratic challenger to him, in other words). It's not working, unfortunately for them. And if he gets the nomination, guess what? They won't be able to do what they're trying to do right now behind the scenes because it will be obvious where it's coming from.

The Repugs have been trying to get away from the perception that they are racists. That's why they dumped Trent Lott overboard. But guess what, they brought him back in the end. They simply can't afford to attack Obama on race -- AFTER he gets the nomination. But beforehand, sure they can do it as long as plausible deniability is there for them.

That's what's happening right now. It won't be able to continue after he gets the nomination (which he probably will, but I'll knock on wood).

[goldcanyonaz]

39. Not anymore. Wright made the Right giddy about the upcoming election.

[JeffR]

41. It would take CPR to even give the right a pulse.

never mind making them giddy.

[papau]

43. I agree - but I believe internals show a steady 10% lead - not Obama improving

if he does improve in 2-3 weeks to get within the margin of error, it is just about over as that will mean he finally is making inroads into lower middle class white males and can be expected to carry most big states in the general

[wileedog]

33. Reality Check

Clinton needs 62+ in every state from here on out. She is not even getting it here in her last, best hope in PA.

This shit is irrelevant.

[Justice Is Comin]

45. Obama is a religious freak just like bush.

It outright mystifies me why these obama hypnotics want more of what they got. There shouldn't be a one in a million chance anything remotely associated with religion should come up, be explained or be any part of the discourse in a presidential season.

He even talks like a Jimmy Swaggert. Makes me laugh out loud that any rational person would even consider him a candidate.

Supporting obama is like walking behind a manure spreader.

Fortunately the press has come back from vacation.

[mattclearing]

48. Don't you think that's a little bit harsh?

Dude is still a Democrat, and one who has captured around half of the party's support. Obama is so much smarter than Bush, it's ridiculous to compare the two.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. Hillary Supporter Here

Hyperbole rules on this board...There is no sense of context, situation, or nuance...

Stinking thinking...

[kevinmc]

46. Yeah Hillary

[moobu2]

49. God Bless America, Land that I love - Irving Berlin

[Larkspur]

55. Berlin's America did not torture prisoners

but it did blatantly and sometimes violently discriminate against non-whites.

[CarbonDate]

51. Good for her! It's still not enough.

She has to win every remaining state (including Puerto Rico) with at least 64% of the vote to even tie Obama's pledged delegate lead.

[rodeodance]

54. YOU PULL numbers out of a hat and expect us to believe them

[Larkspur]

56. This poll shows that people would rather be sheep than think for themselves

Rev. Wright's condemnation of America and its corrupt ruling elite is on par with the Prophet Jerimiah's condemnation of ancient Israel and its ruling elite who abused power for personal gain.

[olkaz]

57. Man, IGNORED sure does a lot of talking in this thread.