Well, less than 24 hours have passed since the "Speech" and I'm sorry O supporters

[boston bean]

He threw his gramma under the bus for political salvation.

He contradicted himself and showed himself to be a smoothe liar.

Good speech yes, but not gonna do him any good politically.

That's what I'm hearing on the AM news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX.

[gasperc]

1. it's not up to those fuckfaces on the MSM

it's up to the people. I take my own side. I think rude pundit is on the money on this one.

[SeaLyons]

93. Do you feel that way when they

are negative towards Clinton?

[gasperc]

127. actually, yes I do

I wrote an email to MSNBC during the debates because I felt they picked a picture of her in their ads that was less than approving

[theredpen]

108. It kinda is

A lot of people follow the media narratives. Unfortunately, that means that Hillary Clinton would be in much worse shape because the media never liked her to begin with.

Bill Clinton was dogged with "questions of character" throughout his campaign. The stuck... but not enough to lose a reform-hungry voting population. I still think he would have won if Perot hadn't been a spoiler.

[iconocrastic]

126. "fuckfaces"? - I think you're in denial

You can make up your own mind all you want.

In politics perception is everything.

Obama crafted an excellent public perception. Unfortunately it just blew up.

Sad to say.

[UALRBSofL]

128. watch your language please

there are children in the house. :)

[roguevalley]

140. massdem, do you really think he didn't speak with his grandma

and get her okay? For godsake. Don't tell me there isn't one or more people in your family with the same problem. Did you throw them away
too?

[southern_belle]

2. Yea, Joe Scarborough is

spewing the grandma under the bus meme. Joe makes me sick. :grr:

[Seeker30]

8. Joe's right

Don't shoot the messenger

[JTFrog]

22. Just go back to the fucking dark side already. Or do you really crave a granite cookie? n/t

[VeraAgnes]

41. That's really mean what you are suggesting.

You should apologise. I thought we could talk about the media here? It's what is being said in the morning talk shows which sets the flow for the day. How else can we prepare for the game of the day without being taking an honest look?

I'm sure you are just reacting to the MSNBC stuff.

[JTFrog]

45. I'm very familiar with that poster. No I will not apologize.

When folks start agreeing with and spouting REPUBLICAN crap, then sorry, ALL - BETS - ARE - OFF.

But thanks for caring about what really matters.

[VeraAgnes]

49. Well, if it's personal, then

just try and ignore the digs...that too can be effective. :hug:

[JTFrog]

51. It's not personal. It's Democratic Underground.

Not I AGREE WITH THE REPUBLICANS and SMEAR A DEMOCRAT - Underground.

Get it?

There is another site for that crap and I'd be more than happy to see this poster go back to the dark side.

Get it?

If a poster continues to agree with Republicans and smearing democrats, then eventually they get a granite cookie.

Get it?

I show the same courtesy to any poster who shows their ass over and over again.

*edit - I'm really tired of seeing this defended here, hence my harsh attitude. I cannot wait for the primaries to be over and this sort of thing will just take care of itself.

[VeraAgnes]

54. I got-ya.

I'm trying to bring myself up to speed. Shew.......weeeeeeeee. It's a fast game to learn. Stick with me.

[JTFrog]

56. I'm sticking. See my edit. Oh and

Welcome to DU.

:hi:

[VeraAgnes]

67. Thank You....

:hi:

[Tennessee Gal]

88. That has been done many times to the Clintons on this site.

Do you protest that?

[JTFrog]

91. Not talking about what's "been done" to anyone.

You (general YOU) wanna support and agree with the Republicans, then don't let the door hit ya in the ass. Period.

[Auntie Bush]

98. That's a revolving door

and it's going to sweep you out too.

[musicblind]

114. is it okay if it is republican crap about hillary?

[JTFrog]

122. No. And I've never said it was. n/t

[musicblind]

125. Okay, as long as you're being consistent.

just wanted to check. :)

[Danger Mouse]

39. if you love joe so much...head over to freerepublic...

they'll embrace the hate that you spew with open arms.

[boston bean]

48. O folks are the MSNBC lovers, I use to be, but not lately. nt

[Danger Mouse]

147. joe is a right wing smear merchant. period.

he may be on hillary's side today...but trust me, he won't be tomorrow.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

58. Sick is not the word. Fuck that murderer.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

90. I guess he has to pay his mortgage?

or he'll end up like Tucker

[fasttense]

3. God, you sound just like the repukes on the AOL boards.

Did you all get your talking points from the same place?

I'm a Hillary fan but damn, there are some cold hearted SOBs out today.

[boston bean]

6. I am only reporting what is being reported. I don't mean to be "cold hearted or and SOB" nt

[cali]

15. Of course you do, dear

why prevaricate. Everyone knows your posts. You spew. Hate against Obama, hate against Kennedy, hate against Kerry, etc, etc.

[HarveyBrooks]

46. Yea well...

90% of DUers these days spew more hate at Hillary than the freepers. Pathetic.

[Auntie Bush]

101. Do you remember all the hate you spewed against Hillary and Bill?

Pot calling kettle black!

[screembloodymurder]

30. Bullshit!

Ignored.

[musicblind]

115. Yes, ignoring people who disagree with you is always the intellect's answer.

[VeraAgnes]

38. I heard that too.

OUCH! That was some really hot coffee Joe has this morning.

Obama's throw granny under the bus will be echo for days. I never saw the negativity about the Obama Speech omcoming in such a scalding fashion! Whats wrong here? Can't they look at the positives? MSNBC hates Democrats!

[Hepburn]

97. What that is called is ... "publishing the falsehood."

That makes you as guilty of the statement as if you had manufactured the lie yourself.

Grow the fuck up...and either become a Democrat or leave. This site is for DEMOCRATS...not people how repeat the lies of filth like Joe Scarborough.

Got it?

[Life Long Dem]

4. Who Hillary?

[Smarmie Doofus]

5. Well, then it *must* be true.

>>That's what I'm hearing on the AM news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX.>>

Still lookin' fer them WMD's are ya?

[girl gone mad]

7. Wow, a Hillary supporter quoting..

MSM talking heads quoting Right Wing bloggers and pundits.

How very original.

:sarcasm:

[goldcanyonaz]

123. They were great sources around here when they were dissing Clinton. Now, not so much.

[shaniqua6392]

9. I am hearing the same things this morning.

I expect it on Fox, but the others are being critical. They are saying it was a good speech, but that he will not sway blue collar Dems, etc. Out here in the real world, I am hearing that it was his opportunity to bring up GLBT and gender bias and he failed to do it. He will lose much of his base of black voters if he brings up the GLBT issue. I was really disappointed that he talked of civil rights and could not acknowledge the one group of American's who experience bias much worse than African Americans do.

[thunder rising]

16. Dumb blue collar workers? Products of the failed American education system. We need more of that.

[Babel_17]

150. Blue collar democrat here

I'm a member of a union that's thrown tons of money and phone bank support to many democratic candidates.

Just out of curiosity, which candidate do you support and do you consider your attitude representative of other supporters and also your candidate? Because in between bouts of being walking stereotypes we do discuss who we should support.

[Medusa]

17. Was he going to win those blue-collar "reagan dems" anyway?

most of them are GOPers to start with.

But this just reiterates that HRC is the GOP candidate of choice. They are foaming at the mouth to run against her and won't hesitate to throw the "kitchen sink" right back at her. And it will work. And we'll lose again but glad to see you Clintonistas are so pleased with her disgusting tactics to win this nomination.

[boston bean]

18. If he can't win them, why would he be the nominee. They make up a huge part of what is needed to

win the GE.

[earthlover]

37. Now wait a minute...you were talking about blue collar DEMOCRATs

OF course OBama would win them in the general election. They are Democrats, no?

It is the blue collar REPUBLICANS who will vote McCain. There is a difference.

Not all blue collars are the same. And not all are racist.

[boston bean]

43. umm they are called swing voters. nt

[earthlover]

149. Obama's strength has ALWAYS been attracting independents and swing voters.

In fact, without them he would never have won as many primaries as he has done! Hillary tends to do best among the establishment Democrats. Obama would get most of them, plus he expands the electorate by attracting youth, independents, cross overs, and others.

[Hepburn]

99. IF (big if) one is the REPUBLICAN nominee....

...duh....:eyes:

[shaniqua6392]

60. Did you just call me a "Clintonista"??

Well that is one thing I am not. I don't really care for either of the two candidates left standing. Somehow you lost my point about Obama not addressing the ENTIRE issue of civil rights. He just spoke of black/white issues. It was his opportunity to include in his rhetoric the GLBT and gender issues that still remain in this country. He blew it. He is no Martin Luther King. He had the chance and he blew it. My point was about his cowardice to speak to his fellow African Americans and others who discriminate against gays in America.

[geek tragedy]

116. This post is hilarious.

People whining because the speech wasn't all things to all people.

[GCP]

10. I'm still on the fence - but I thought it was a brilliant speech

And many people can relate to having a relative who can make you squirm - my mother is a good example.

[boston bean]

23. but would you go on national tv and let everyone know you think she is a bigot

and then say you all have to understand the good Rev?

[michaz]

44. That is not the way it came across to me! n/t

[OhioBlue]

74. let go of the hate. you will feel better.

[Blue_Roses]

137. he didn't call her a bigot and what a disrespectful thing to say

about his grandmother. You are so biased that you can't see the shit you are spewing.:eyes:

[thunder rising]

11. Hillary has finally gotten another superdelegate and they are partying hardy! Murtha, earmark king.

[cali]

12. He certainly did NOT thrown his grandmother under the bus

And his speech is being lauded far and wide. Wright is unlikely to tank him, and Hilly dear is done. Get the fork.

[boston bean]

24. You don't have a TV and can't even see videos on your puter, so who are you to talk.

This is what they are saying. Like it or not.

[screembloodymurder]

31. So you admit that you didn't watch the speech.

Maybe your computer has a different version.

[boston bean]

36. huh, i watched the speech, wtf are you talking about, cali probably didn't

she doesn't have a tv or computer to watch video on.

[cali]

57. I heard the speech

I can listen on my computer.

[cali]

55. I do have a radio

And I listen to such shows as "On Point". In addition, I confess to strolling across the road and watching TV with my friends from time to time.

[musicblind]

117. Just curious. Do you not own a TV as a protest to television?

I know some people who feel that way. That Television is ruining society. I myself love it, but was just wondering if that is your feeling. It's as valid opinion to have.

[cali]

119. I decided many years ago to disconnect cable

I'd long had negative feelings about TV. I think it's too addictive.

[southern_belle]

27. I agree, cali

I think his speech was profound. I'll get the fork. :toast:

[pnwmom]

13. He did NOT throw his grandmother under the bus.

He spoke bravely and frankly on the contradictions and divisions he's faced in his life. I've written more about this here:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5152139

[FreakinDJ]

14. Just wait for the next round of Dirt on Hilary

You'll be back in Obama's corner soon enough

[blogslut]

19. Okay

As a great poet once said:

"You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear."

[JTFrog]

20. And Clinton has thrown the whole party under the bus. Show some legitimate outrage for a change. nt

[Guava Jelly]

21. I think you lost these two items(I found them for you)

you are welcome :D :loveya:

[Craftsman]

69. My brain tells me he is now virtually unelectable.

This will continue to play out and dog him the whole race. Also I know he is for change, but I still have not found anywhere near enough details on what change and how. And for the record I and not supporting either now, I was supporting Edwards but I have a low opinion for both of those left.

[Guava Jelly]

72. Your brain is doing you a great disservice

And he is very electable

[Craftsman]

73. I disagree

This will be hammered home in the general election among white and hispanic voters, this is what teh rethugs excel at. Keep in mind McInsane has a lot of hispanic support with his long history of open support on immigration. Don't get me wrong Hillary is not prize, but this is very damaging.

[Guava Jelly]

79. One of us are wrong

I hope it is you

[Craftsman]

78. Why did he stay in a church that spouted this trash for 20 years?

This is a question swing voters will be asking. And it needs to be answered.

[Guava Jelly]

81. He answered that question already

re-watch his speech

[Craftsman]

82. How? I know I would have walked away from any church that said those things

And done it running. It does not hold water with me.

[Guava Jelly]

89. And it never will to you.

And that is on you.
I don't go to church myself..I am a non believer.
I'd rather go to the dentist for a root canal than sit through church

[Hepburn]

100. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzt,,,,,,

....wrong. That did not happen. Insert brain, remove Clintonista programing and try again on your opinion!

[JTFrog]

25. Welcome to HillaryWorld. Please leave your morals and decency behind. n/t

[bluerum]

26. "AM news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX" - all expert goose-steppers.

[Tesha]

28. You are one of thes best arguments here for *DECREASING* the three-thread-per-day limit. (NT)

[screembloodymurder]

29. I listened to the speech.

All he did was acknowledge that all people, even his grandmother, experience prejudice and fear. If you don't get it, I suggest you listen again.

[JoFerret]

32. The bit about granny and the bus

seems to be more than an unfair and rather silly comment. I think they need to think is little more about what they find objectionable or worthy of criticism.

That particular anecdote seemed poignant and get to the center of his dilemma growing up as a dark skinned person in a white home in a racist society.

[indimuse]

33. I especially like the part where he says "her racial comments made him cringe"..yet

He didn't 'CRIGE" once in 20 years from Rev.Wright's hate sermons...must have agreed with the Rev...why else do people continue any relationship... "like mindedness'... mutual points of view..this is how majority of general population will see it.

[oviedodem]

61. thats b/c people like you (unintelligent) can't realize that Wright made

him cringe as well.

Idiot.

[indimuse]

68. take your crap somewhere else!

!

[Craftsman]

71. Then why stay in the church for 20 some odd years?

Seriously this question will be asked by many and an answer needs to come out soon.

[leftynyc]

77. If anyone ever decides to answer that

question, could you pm me and let me know because I have not heard an explanation to that. Where the hell has he been for the last 20 years??? If I had a person in my life that said such disagreeable and controversial things, I would take them on or just leave them behind. Sorry, I'm not impressed that the church has also done good things. Many assholes do good works also - that argument is bullshit. I'll vote for Sen Obama in the general but the blind worship I'm seeing on this board is troubling. Heads are going to explode once the 527 groups get cranking and people here realize they are a very teeny tiny part of the electorate.

[Hepburn]

104. Why did people remain Catholic after they found out about how...

...the church itself hid the child-molester priests?

How about you go and attack them because they still believed in the tenents of the religion even tho they did NOT agree in any manner whatsoever with the actions of the person who gave the sermon on Sunday.

Get a clue...PLEASE...or leave and stop wasting bandwidth by posting the kind of bilge I have seen from you.

[screembloodymurder]

34. MSM pundits are working for the man.

Obama has them shaking in their boots. We have a choice ... Obama.

[Kokonoe]

35. What would they be talking about had he not given the speech,

They're making sour grapes, instead of acknowledging his message.
They need to keep the unwashed masses driving into a ditch.

[Danger Mouse]

40. This post is garbage.

:puke:

[JoFerret]

42. LGBTs and the grandmother

If the MSM is sugesting Obama the his granny under the bus then I think they are off the mark. I don't think that is what Obama did. It was a poignant and personal comment on what it meant to grow up as a dark-skinned boy in a white household in a racist society.

But it really does highlight the issue of identity politics.

Every gay person had more than just a grandmother condemning and disapproving of their identity. They had the whole vocal family. And in a hell of a lot nastier language too.

But where does that leave us?

[Tellurian]

50. When Obama campaigned in Kansas

They didn't know who he was or recognize him as the grandson of his white grandmother. I doubt Obama spent much time with his grandma in Kansas during his formative years. Obama never knew his grandma as a child or spent time summering with the locals throughout his growing up years. If he had, his grandma's statement would never have made him cringe because she never would have said it. It's a false example of taking an instance out of context and using it as a model for AA and white relations.

[PassingFair]

85. You are making shit up.

You have not lived his life.

YOU have NO idea what or when his grandma spoke out.

My own MOTHER and AUNT spew thoughtless racial crap
at any given time.

Do not speak for the lives of others please.

[Tellurian]

96. I listened to Obama's speech

and saw the picture of him with his grandparents. Obama has no childhood recollections with his Kansas grandparents. Unless you can provide proof to the contrary, my statement stands as is.

[PassingFair]

105. They spent YEARS with him in Hawaii.

From Wiki:

"When Obama was ten, he returned to Hawaii under the care of his grandparents (and later his mother) for the better educational opportunities available in Hawaii. He was enrolled in the fifth grade at Punahou School, a private college-preparatory school where one of his teachers was the sister of Neal Boortz, the radio talk-show host."

[Tellurian]

138. That pic is of his mother and perhaps his grandfather..

[PassingFair]

139. Oh really, here is the caption that RUNS UNDER IT...

"At his high school graduation, Barack Obama gets a hug from his grandmother Madelyn as his grandfather Stanley beams. His maternal grandparents raised Obama in Hawaii while his mother was living in Indonesia."

Why do you LIE?

[Tellurian]

155. This is Obama's grandfather..and grandmother

the info in wiki is inaccurate..The picture you posted is of his mother and grandfather. A cursory look at the woman in your picture clearly shows the woman is younger than the man id'ed as the grandfather.

[Name removed]

156. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[neverforget]

144. You know more about Obama's childhood than he does?

:shrug:

[zulchzulu]

113. "I doubt Obama spent much time..."

Nah, they ONLY RAISED HIM...you fuckshitted twit.

[JoFerret]

151. I don't follow what this has to do with my comment

Sorry.

[casus belli]

47. Buh Bye.

[polpilot]

52. If it's true we need to be looking for a candidate, Gore?

[DemVet]

53. It was a good speech (except for reading it off of a teleprompter), however

it was a speech he had to make (damage control), not one he wanted to make. I think he would have preferred that this whole thing with his pastor would have stayed buried.

[musicblind]

118. Can you give an exact speech that is 40 minutes long was probably written a couple of days ago

and give it without missing a word... and NOT have a teleprompter? Teleprompters are very acceptable for any speech and do not take away from it. I'm a big Hillary supporter, but to insinuate in ANYWAY that it is a negative to use a teleprompter is completely disingenuous.

[DemVet]

153. Disingenuous? No.

Most experts agree that to really get through to an audience, a speaker should mostly memorize a speech with just a few notes on a written piece of paper for prompting. He may not have had time to memorize his speech, but they sure memorize their stump speech, don't they. The problem with his reading it from a teleprompter is he didn't even read it that well. He stumbled on words in quite a few areas.

[Perry Logan]

59. If the Wright thing had happened to Hillary, the Obama people would be running around with torches.

[stevenleser]

62. Nope, you have no idea what us running around with torches would look like, but here is a hint

Travelgate, Filegate, etc...

[Perry Logan]

65. There's your problem. Your mind is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Richard Mellon Scaife.

[leftynyc]

80. Did you think you'd ever see the day

where on DU so many people would be jumping to the defense of a Christian pastor who said so many controversial things? The hypocrisy is amazing.

[Name removed]

63. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[musicblind]

120. Again, another DU'r who would rather stick their fingers in their ears and ignore someone

who disagrees with them. The poster gave a desenting opinion. It DOES NOT MATTER how quack that opinion is, ignoring people is (ignor)ant. It is no better than right wingers who ignore evidence of evolution because they do not agree. It is no better than Bush who ignores any opinion other than his own, surrounds himself with yes men, and causes so much damage to our country. I see people on here everyday who say awful things from both sides that I disagree with, but I would never ignore them, because if you do the price is far to great. If you disagree with someone you should do so loud and clear and state your case and explain why you do not feel that they are correct. They might be too blind themselves to consider what you have to say, but you will have done the right thing, instead of ignoring someone else and sticking your fingers in your ears like a grade schooler. I am not picking on just you, I am making an effort to posting this or similar information to every person I come across on this board who uses ignore because they simply disagree. Be that person a Clinton supporter or an Obama supporter.

[workinclasszero]

64. Is that the official reich wing talking points for today?

Gotta hand it to you Hillary lovers. You are becoming nice little right wing bootlickers for the likes of Limpballs and Hannity. On the DU, who the fuck takes Fox "news" word on anything??? You Hillbots have lost your f'in minds! You people are blind with hatred.

There is more hate being spewed here than the dammed Freakrepublic!

Any so-called democrat that has the utter stupidity and heartlessness to say Obama "threw his gramma under the bus" in the best political speech of the new century is beyond redemption.

You have sold your soul for Hillary Rodham Clinton's lust for power.

You make me vomit.:puke:

[Perry Logan]

66. ...or a penetrating metaphor for what Obama just did?

I wish you Obama folks would stop threatening to barf all the time. This is a new shirt I'm wearing here.

[workinclasszero]

70. I wish Hillary folks would stop acting like mind numbed

wingnut Limpballs robots.

Penetrating metaphor my ass. You people are shameless.

[leftynyc]

84. You have a kindred spirit upthread

who speaks of travelgate and filegate - right wing freeper talking points all - where is your outrage for him/her. Do try not to be such a blatent hypocrite. Both sides have jumped the shark in defense of their candidate.

[rodeodance]

94. You missed all the mind-numbed talk about equating BO speech to MLK yesterday?

[shayes51]

75. You are correct.

Lots of us have heard remarks from parents and grandparents that made us "cringe," but the courageous, loving response is to have a dialog, not public humiliation of these people who love us. Change is difficult, Senator Obama.

[spanone]

76. opinons are only opinions

[rodeodance]

95. back to yah

[tekisui]

83. He embraced his grandmother as part of him.

It was one of the finest moments in a great speech.

[Barack_America]

86. As usual, you hear what you want to hear, and dismiss all the rest.

Given that you have been caught blatantly lying on this board several times before, forgive me if I don't find you a credible source for accurately reporting anything.

[alphafemale]

87. That's what you are perceiving people saying today? mmmm-Kay

hmmmm

:think:

How was that last Flat Earth Meetup?

[rodeodance]

92. off to the GREATEST

[IndianaJones]

102. I thought the racist granny stuff was sweet. nt.

[PVnRT]

103. And it's a stupid argument

by people desperate to spin the speech however they can.

"I can no more disown Rev. Wright...than my own grandmother."

Please explain, in your own words, how he's throwing his grandmother under the bus, since he's NOT disowning Rev. Wright.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

106. 36% of Independents, 26% Democrats have a"less favorable" view of Obama after his speech

Obama canNOT win the GE now

MSNBC this morning

[IndianaJones]

109. but it was brilliant. nt.

[Bullet1987]

129. That must mean then that 74% of Indies and 84% of Dems have a MORE favorable

opinion of him right? Tell it like it is instead of skewing facts.

[Drunken Irishman]

135. WRONG! That poll was done BEFORE his speech.

I know the poll you are talking about and it was not done after his speech. It was done by CBS and only had something like 500 registered voters nation wide.

[ericgtr]

107. Interesting because I watched CNN and MSNBC show nothing but praise all evening

must have been the other cnn and msnbc's.

[Voice for Peace]

110. This is utter nonsense.

Why recycle it?

[durrrty libby]

111. And as some have said , comparing Geraldine Ferraro to Wright

was a huge mistake.

It's like comparing a kid who stole a pack of gum to a serial killer.

And talk about bait and switch. Wright was all about hate America

but BO made the speech about race

I need to go into the Kool-Aid business. Apparently there is an enormous market

[zulchzulu]

112. Halfwits will never get it. That's why some thought lightbulbs were evil

The antic that he "threw his grandmother under the bus" is sheer stupidity. Some people can't read. Some people were too stupid to go to college.

[Unsane]

121. You are truly vile

[saltpoint]

124. Another torrent of vomit from this poster.

[OneBlueSky]

130. "That's what I'm hearing on the AM news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX" . . .

fewer and fewer Americans are getting their news from the corporate media, and even fewer care about their "political expertise" . . . if you're hearing it on AM news, CNN, MSNBC and FOX, you can rest assured that you're being mis-informed, ill-informed, and/or uninformed . . .

[Trajan]

131. Will GD:P go away after the convention ?

Will all the assholes go away too ? .... I hope so ....

As a supporter of both Democratic candidates in this race, I find postings such as this preposterous repetition of the WORST fools in media saying the WORST nonsense against our candidates: I find these postings to be nothing less than the WORST of those media outlets ....

We have an enemy ... and he is right here ..... Attacking us .....

Pitiful ....

[Pryderi]

132. ...and I'm sorry you're backing a poor candidate

[ORDem]

133. Welcome to Ignore. So trite and self-serving. n/t

:kick:

[Blu Dahlia]

134. Gentle criticism of racism, whatever the source, is throwing someone under the bus?

And how is it that people say the pastor wasn't thrown under the bus, yet his grandma was?

Where is the logic? :crazy:

[Arugula Latte]

136. I watched CNN last night, and it was almost ALL very positive towards Obama

Even freakin' Bay Buchanan was saying glowing things about the speech.

But, nice rightwing talking points you've got there.

[ClayZ]

141. He is Brilliant!

He spoke from the heart. He is a good man!

[totodeinhere]

142. This is just the sort of negative crap that we don't need.

Why can't we hear something positive from Clinton supporters like you? Why does it have to be non stop negativity? This is the type of old style gotcha politics that Obama is trying to change.

[jonestonesusa]

143. This issue is about more than Obama.

The brief OP oversimplifies the issues of race in this campaign and provides nothing of substance in response to Obama's speech, and this is all too common in the overly personalized politics of today. Whether Obama wins or loses is not what really matters, and I say that as an Obama supporter. We all should consider the candidates' records, vote our conscience, and put our hearts and minds into our own activism for the betterment of the country, no matter who is the president. We also owe ourselves a thoughtful dialogue on all issues and should take the time to have that dialogue right here on DU as well as in other settings.

What really matters is the issues involved in this campaign - including racial division, which has been a huge impediment to true democracy in this country. Senator Barack Obama did his best to put some of our racial conflicts into perspective - he suggested that we do not have to be entrenched in our respective bunkers, and that we all need to initiate conversations across racial lines and engage in a dialogue with each other whether we agree or disagree. These issues do not belong to just Obama - he is doing his best to address racial divisions and their social costs by his personal commitment to activism and public life. That's more than many of us can say, that he cares enough about these issues to get personally involved. It's a sad comment on our country that we have so little ability to look at the substance of a speech like this without oversimplifying, and that we are all about the horse race and nothing else. It's sad that we get so personally attached to our individual preferences that we do not think them through.

One more thing - we like to play the equivalency game when it comes to identity politics (i.e. Obama addressed race but not gender, white men would get fired for saying the same thing Wright did, etc). Very little time is taken in these arguments to insure that the comparison is valid by looking at what was actually said. Wright has been compared to Don Imus, for instance. But did Wright use any racial slurs in what he said? Did he intentionally target any individuals? Does it make a difference that Wright is pastor of a church supported largely by African American dollars, where as Imus worked for a publicly traded company? As Obama mentioned in his speech, I think it is important to look at both sides, but there's some lazy thinking going on in making comparisons without thinking through what is similar and what is different.

[endarkenment]

145. Less than 24 hours have passed since your last sorry regurgitation

of the latest false noise talking points.

[JackORoses]

146. I think Amelia Earheart would just as soon piss on you as to find out she was your avatar

[NDambi]

148. Typical BS by the bitter, bitter, bitter Mass

[DemGa]

152. To be fair throwing "gramma under the bus" is the "new politics"

It was also very slick how Obama equated Ferraro with his mentor pastor Wright. Smooth liar -- yes indeed.

[zonkers]

154. A gloomy Obama thread started by Mass Dem. Shocker.

[avrdream]

157. Yeah, the MSM isn't being kind to BO, that's for sure.

Ah well, Hillary had her turn.

I just don't get why they want McCain so damned much. Fucking baffling.