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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:00 AM
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The strange and lingering campaign of Hillary Clinton
Any other candidate but the one named Hillary Clinton would have been declared politically dead a month ago. But not Hillary. She's in it now and hasn't been written off, solely because she is married to Bill and that gives her a pass.

Despite the incessant whining of the candidate, her surrogates and supporters about the media, it's the media that has kept Hillary's campaign alive. It's her life support system. Chuck Todd puts it well:

"A Clinton always finds a way to survive, so goes the myth <...>

hile the mechanics of the Democratic nomination fight overwhelmingly favor Obama, the media is giving Clinton a huge lift. And this comes after a year of Clinton complaints that the media was doing them more harm than good.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23679299/

And Todd goes on to detail Hillary's big SD problem: In essence, the SDs remember that a Clinton is not good for down ticket races. And more than a few, plain out don't like or trust Bill or Hillary. Read what Todd has to say at the above link.

Hillary Clinton is staying in this race out of sheer arrogance and the hope that something- anything- will torpedo Obama. And only dear Hillary would get this kind of a pass. Watch her over the next month: She'll stoop to anything. She's flat out desperate, because time is running out on her. Hell, it's already run out.

Is she a spoiler? Well, no, but it's clear that Hillary's concern isn't for the country or the dem party. It's all about Hill.

More and more analysts are pointing out that she can't win the nomination. Now they need to ask: Why is Hillary Clinton staying in this race? What are her motivations?

Clinton is not going to be the nominee. She ran a terrible campaign, she had massive advantages and blew them. She was outsmarted, outstrategized and and outclassed by Obama. She richly deserves her loss.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:05 AM
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1. Love it!! Facts are facts, Hillary is for Hillary and nobody else.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:19 AM
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34. What a load of crap.
Self-deluding arrogance!

If you accept the premise that O cannot win in November because of inexperience in national security and this Wright thing (I know you don't accept it, but I do) then HC is staying in because she is the only remaining chance the Ds have in November.

Anyone who thinks him or herself the best choice out of 300,000,000 people to run the unwieldy Fed. Govt. is by definition an egomaniac.

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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:00 AM
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43. She can't even run a decent campaign, how is she going to run the gov't? Oh yeah, I forgot, ...
Bill will be there coaching her.

:dem:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:15 AM
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44. You're changing the subject which can reasonably be seen as evasive.
The point is there are reasons besides ego for her to continue.

HC's campaign is running well now. Since only successful campaigns result in successful elections, there is not way to know whether running a lousy campaign correlates to being a poor manager while in office. Frankly, anyone who declines to draw on the experience of others has no business being in charge of anything, so I consider "coaching" by Bill to be an asset.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:04 PM
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75. "HC's campaign is running well now" - yeah, except for that whole "losing" thing.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:04 PM by Zhade
She's not going to be the nom.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:18 PM
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57. And the m$$$m ..always good
for manipulating and leading the way.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 AM
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45. Personally, I've been practicing saying "Pres. John McCain."
Of course, it makes me gag, but I don't see either Obama or Clinton winning. This country is still far too racist and sexist.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:23 AM
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46. *sigh* Yep, I know it.
If the DNC had a brain in its head it would find a way to force HC and O out and release their delegates to Edwards.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:51 PM
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86. Yep. In my view, we hit that point-of-no-return when McCain was praised by a leading Democrat ...
... as having the experience needed for the Presidency, and having passed some nebulous "Commander-in-Chief" threshold.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:03 PM
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74. She's not going to win.
You should just accept that fact.

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:02 PM
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89. except she was making the same argument in New Hampshire
"some people are ready, and some aren't". So Obama, Edwards, and Richardson were not ready to be President in her eyes. She didn't say they were not electable because of their inexperience, she said they weren't ready to be President. And she chose to stay in long before the Wright thing came out.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:00 AM
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96. That shows your vast ignorance
Bill Richardson was the only one in the line up with the national security experience to get the job done. FACT.

Gooooooooogle that shit.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:31 AM
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102. that was kinda my point
Hillary seemed to think she had more experience than Richardson, but I think Biden's experience was comparable too. However, he had dropped out by the time Hillary made that statement in New Hampshire.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:07 AM
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2. I love ya, cali. But I don't think you or the other anti-Clintonites can read Hillary's mind.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:15 AM by Perry Logan
Hatred alone would tend to clog your mind-reading abilities.

This business of reading Hillary's mind and heart is a big part of the whole anti-Hillary thing at DU.

I would call your attention to the fact that Hillary's "thoughts" (as transmitted by those who oppose her) invariably sound like the thoughts of a comic-book villain. If she were a guy, she'd be laughing and twirling her moustache.

Not to be rude, but you also ignore recent events, and the distinct possibility that Obama has been knocked out of the race altogether. In this respect, Hillary's actions don't seem quite so strange.

P.S.: I'm not saying, much less hoping, that the wheels have fallen off the Obamamobile. Just acknowledging the possibility.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:22 AM
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3. So What's Your Hypothesis?
Data:
1. The probability of her winning is quite low.
2. She's working hard to destroy the very-likely Democratic nominee.

How do you draw a line through these data points, i.e., what motivation(s) on Clinton's part could explain these two facts?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:29 AM
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5. I don't know. Perhaps it's that she feels that if she can't get the
nomination, damaging Obama to the point where he's not viable opens the door for her to run against a 76 yr old McCain in 2012. Of course, there are many who disagree that she's trying to destroy Obama, but it seems to me that she has no qualms about "throwing the kithen sink". After all, those are the words of high up aides in her own campaign.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:33 AM
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8. I Agree
As always, it's all about The Clintons - nobody else matters. So what if the Democrats lose the general election? So what if President McCain appoints nutty fringe-right judges? At least she'll still have a shot in 2012.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:23 PM
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58. Looks like that's what it's been about
all along..Gore(surely an accident of fate), Kerry(no so much), and now Obama.

Nice investigation by Chuck Todd..I'm surprised! Calling out the m$$$m!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:07 PM
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90. I always remember how they shafted Gore too.
I'll never forget that. I hold them largely responsible for the past 8 horror years. She wants 8 more? nuh uh
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:52 AM
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26. I'm actually going to take the Clintons at their word on this: It's about THIS campaign
You focus on winning now and ignore the future as much as possible. Keep your eyes on that and how you can win THIS RACE.

That's what is going through her head, I am sure. It is vaguely possible she could win, especially if she feels she can poach pledged delegates and grab supers. Might that doom her in the general? Sure, but if she's so intently focused on the primary, she probably doesn't care. If she does think about it, she could figure she can make up for any wrongs later. Correct me if I am wrong, but Bill generally thought it was better to ask forgiveness for dirty politics than to play clean, right? (Another of his rules, IIRC)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:33 PM
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59. If you take the clintons' word on anything
you haven't been paying attention to all their lies over the years.

The clintons' had to earn their trust and they blew it.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:58 AM
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50. Ageed. It's all about Hillary's longheld presidential ambition
That's why she married Bill & put up with the cheating. That's why she became moved right and became a centrist democrat/warhawk on foreign policy. That's why she was probably behind throwing antiwar Dean under the bus in 2004. That's why she didn't run against Bush in 2004, cuz she didn't think he could be beaten.

That's why she'll throw Obama under the bus now to ruin his viability in 2008 against McCain and run in 2112 against McCain. That's why she'll use every dirty trick imaginable to steal the 2008 nomination from Obama if she can.

She doesn't care about the democratic party. She doesn't care about ethics. All she cares about is her own infalliable, ego superiority complex.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:52 PM
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94. DHS, and a bad case too. n/t
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:49 PM
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85. 2012 has nothing to do with it
The campaign tactics are about *this* election, and the Clintons are going for the nomination -- and are calculating that anti-Republican, anti-war, anti-McCain, etc motivations will give disaffected voters no other choice than to vote for her in the GE.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:38 PM
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92. You just don't know how to look at the dark side correctly.
If it isn't her, then it better be McCain. That's the only way to ensure that no one will ever be brought to justice. Status quo.

We know that the previous President Clinton stopped all criminal investigations of the Reagan/Bush crowd. We know that these same criminals are back in high places in this administration. It's not a stretch at all to believe that Hillary would behave exactly like the first President Clinton, and make a policy of giving all these monsters another pass. McCain would give them all a pass too, without any doubt, or else he wouldn't be their nominee with Lieberman's hand up his ass making his mouth move.

Look at what is at stake. Since some of the detainees have died under their enhanced interrogation techniques, there are statutes on the books that could expose Bush to being charged with capital crimes, together with all of his advisors who were involved. It is possible, in some alternate universe that doesn't have an establisment president, that Bush could suffer the same fate as Saddam. The stakes are very high, higher than you would ever let yourself imagine.

Obama may be a true insurgent, one that must be stopped at all costs. I don't know if he is or not, but a lot of people have hope.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:32 AM
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7. You points of "data" are both 100% false. There's your problem.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:41 AM by Perry Logan
I simply give the lie to your two points of data. Anti-Clinton people have a few things they say over and over. But they aren't true.

Repeating a falsehood endlessly, and repeating it back and forth to other people who also want to believe it, does not make it true.

Like cali, you ignore the possibility that the Obama boat has sunk. In this scenario, Hillary is our only candidate, so she would be saving the party, rather than destroying it. How's that for motivation?

Probably not a hypothesis her enemies would like, I'll admit.

But--after eighty thousand bullshit accusations--the anti-Hillary camp has all the credibility of the Flat Earthers.

Or she might know some things you and I don't know. It's useless to speculate. Even though you're for Obama, and Obama is cool, you still can't read minds.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:57 AM
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27. They are fairly undesputable, imho
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:57 AM by Drachasor
She has tried to undermine Obama's electability in the general. She said she and McCain passed the Commander in Chief test, and implied Obama did not (she said you'd have to ask Obama). How is that not effectively endorsing McCain over Obama?

She also has basically no chance of catching up in the popular vote or pledged delegates. Obama is ahead in the popular even if you count Michigan and Florida AS IS (and only a fool thinks Michigan would ever be counted as-is). The only hope she has of winning is for Obama's candidacy to implode, which, despite Wright, is fairly impossible. It's been over since Texas and Ohio and her inability to rack up winning margins anywhere close to Obama's winning margins -- her candidacy as effectively doomed to death since then.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:59 AM
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28. True that it's useless to speculate, even if it's fun at times, because nobody really knows,
we can only guess.

But to me, Hillary seems extremely short-sighted in all of this,
about both the future of the country and the Democratic Party.

Maybe I see it this way only in contrast to what I'm seeing in Obama,
ie a long-term visionary perspective of possibilities for lasting change --
not just superficial change. A recognition that we have to address the
roots of the real problems; and that unless we do the ills will keep recurring.

I see Hillary's candidacy more as a short term approach to try and get
the cancers in this country into remission, while Obama's talking about
the possibility of an actual cure. I don't believe he is "just talk" -- though
only time will tell.

But the real power in this country is in the hearts of the people.
That's what's being awakened and empowered here, and why so
many are responding to him. The human heart is by its nature averse
to negativity and pettiness. Inspiration should never be underestimated,
it's an awesome power for good.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:08 PM
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77. Considering Obama's lead INCREASES almost daily, I don't think you have room to talk.
You're wrong, laughably and demonstrably so.

Clinton will not be the nom. Bank on it. She's done.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:35 AM
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9. I draw a DLC line through these data points.
> Data:
> 1. The probability of her winning is quite low.
> 2. She's working hard to destroy the very-likely Democratic nominee.
>
> How do you draw a line through these data points, i.e., what motivation(s)
> on Clinton's part could explain these two facts?

I draw a DLC line through these data points.

Bill and Hillary have never been real Democrats; they
are DLC through and through and the DLC have simply
used the Democratic Party to gain power. And when it
suits their purposes, they happily ditch us as Joe
Lieberman proved in 2006.

Bill and Hill may never appear on the podium at the
Republican National Convention, but there's no question
that they've frequently worked against Democratic and
especially progressive interests during their careers.
NAFTA, DOMA, DADT, telecommunications deregulation,
welfare "reform", Iraqi war, propping up the Bushes,
etc., etc., etc.

Tesha
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:39 AM
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10. Sorry, but I also challenge the "DLC is evil" meme.
I'm not pro-DLC. But if they were so bad, Bill Clinton would not have had such an excellent record.

Bill Clinton has a lot of great things on his resume, though, oddly enough, the media tended not to report on it.

Anyway, I like to point out that, if the DLC were really that destructive, their main guy wouldn't be able to point to a length of accomplishments longer than your arm.
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:45 AM
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13. What record would that be?
The fact that Slick Willy hurt the party because he couldn't keep Little Willy zipped up?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:51 AM
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15. Loss of Congress, loss of the (last vestiges of the media), Iraqi embargo deaths...
Yeah, Bil''s got a hell of a record.

Tesha
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 AM
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17. Here ya go. This WILL be on the final...
The awesome Clinton record:

longest economic expansion in American history--a record 115 months of economic expansion
More than 22 million new jobs: more than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration
Highest home ownership in American history
Made the Federal government smaller (a feat matched only by Harry Truman; if you like small government, vote Democratic)
Lowest unemployment in 30 years: unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000; unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women was the lowest in more than 40 years
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
Lowest crime rate in 26 years.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
Higher incomes at all levels: after falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation; all income brackets experienced double-digit growth; the bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years: the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent in 1999--the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union: efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt: under Clinton, we were on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009; what a difference a stolen election makes...
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Lowest government spending in three decades
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
More families owned stock than ever before
Most New Jobs Ever Created Under a Single Administration: Republicans really chew the rug when you mention this one, so it's worth repeating constantly
Median Family Income Up $6,000 since 1993
Unemployment at Its Lowest Level in More than 30 Years
Highest Home ownership Rate on Record
7 Million Fewer Americans Living in Poverty
Largest Surplus Ever
Lower Federal Government Spending: after increasing under the previous two administrations, federal government spending as a share of the economy was cut from 22.2 percent in 1992 to 18 percent in 2000--the lowest level since 1966
The Most U.S. Exports Ever: between 1992 and 2000, U.S. exports of goods and services grew by 74 percent, or nearly $500 billion, to top $1 trillion for the first time
Lowest Inflation since the 1960s: inflation was at the lowest rate since the Kennedy Administration, averaging 2.5 percent, down from 4.6 percent during the previous administration
The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent
The poverty rate for single mothers was the lowest ever
The African American and elderly poverty rates dropped to their lowest level on record
The Hispanic poverty rate dropped to its lowest level since 1979
Lowest Poverty Rate for Single Mothers on Record: under President Clinton, the poverty rate for families with single mothers fell from 46.1 percent in 1993 to 35.7 percent in 1999, the lowest level on record
Smallest Welfare Rolls Since 1969: between January 1993 and September of 1999, the number of welfare recipients dropped by 7.5 billion (a 53 percent decline) to 6.6 million. In comparison, between 1981-1992, the number of welfare recipients increased by 2.5 million (a 22 percent increase) to 13.6 million people
Lowest Federal Income Tax Burden in 35 Years: Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family dropped to their lowest level in 35 years
Higher Incomes even after Taxes and Inflation: real after-tax incomes grew by an average of 2.6 percent per year for the lower-income half of taxpayers between 1993 and 1997, while growing by an average of 1.0 percent between 1981 and 1993
AGAINST TERRORISM

# PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON developed the nation's first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator of anti-terrorist efforts.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold the Al Qaeda millennium hijacking and bombing plots.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to kill the Pope.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
# Bill Clinton stopped cold a planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
# Bill Clinton tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
# Bill Clinton brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
# Bill Clinton did not blame the Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after Bush left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively -- and successfully -- to stop future terrorist attacks.
# Bill Clinton named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to tighten airport security. (Remember, this is before 911) The legislation was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the airlines.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to allow for better tracking of terrorist funding. It was defeated by Republicans in the Senate because of opposition from banking interests.
# Bill Clinton sent legislation to Congress to add tagents to explosives, to allow for better tracking of explosives used by terrorists. It was defeated by the Republicans because of opposition from the NRA.
# Bill Clinton increased the military budget by an average of 14 per cent, reversing the trend under Bush I.
# Bill Clinton tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
# Bill Clinton detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries.
# Bill Clinton created national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
# Of Clinton's efforts says Robert Oakley, Reagan Ambassador for Counterterrorism: "Overall, I give them very high marks" and "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama".
# Paul Bremer, current Civilian Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley as he believed the Bill Clinton Administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden.
# Barton Gellman in the Washington Post put it best, "By any measure available, Bill Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him" and was the "first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort".
http://liberalslikechrist.org/about/clinton.html
ON THE ENVIRONMENT
Bill Clinton issued an Executive Order on Environmental Justice to ensure that low-income citizens and minorities do not suffer a disproportionate burden of industrial pollution. Launched pilot projects in low-income communities across the country to redevelop contaminated sites into useable space, create jobs and enhance community development.

President Bill Clinton sought permanent funding of $1.4 billion a year through the Lands Legacy initiative to expand federal efforts to save America's natural treasures and provide significant new resources to states and communities to protect local green spaces and protect ocean and coastal resources. Won $652 million for Lands Legacy in the FY 2000 budget, a 42 percent increase.

Launched effort to protect over 40 million acres of "roadless areas," which include some of America's last wild places. Dramatically improved management of our national forests with an ambitious new science-based agenda that places greater emphasis on recreation, wildlife and water quality, while reforming logging practices to ensure steady, sustainable supplies of timber and jobs. Balanced the preservation of old-growth stands with the economic needs of timber-dependent communities through the Pacific Northwest Forest Plan.

Adopted a uniform tailpipe standard to passenger cars, SUVs and other light-duty trucks, producing cars that are 77 percent cleaner -- and light-duty trucks up to 95 percent cleaner -- than those on the road today. Set new standard to reduce average sulfur levels in gasoline by up to 90 percent. Once fully implemented in 2030, these measures will prevent 43,000 premature deaths and 173,000 cases of childhood respiratory illness each year, and reduce emissions by the equivalent to removing 164 million cars from the road.

# Approved strong new clean air standards for soot and smog that could prevent up to 15,000 premature deaths a year and improve the lives of millions of Americans who suffer from respiratory illnesses. Defending the standards against legal assaults by polluters.

# Accelerating Toxic Waste Cleanups. Completed cleanup at 515 Superfund sites, more than three times as many as the previous two administrations, with cleanup of more than 90 percent of all sites either completed or in progress. Secured $1.4 billion in FY 2000 to continue progress toward cleaning up 900 Superfund sites by 2002.

# Providing Safe Drinking Water: Proposed and signed legislation to strengthen the Safe Drinking Water Act and ensure that our families have healthy clean tap water. Required America's 55,000 water utility companies to provide regular reports to their customers on the quality of their drinking water.

# Established EPA's Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF) that provides grants to States to finance priority drinking water projects that meet Clean Water Act mandates. To date, the DWSRFs have provided $1.9 billion in loans to communities.

# Awarded nearly $200 million in Department of Agriculture (USDA) loans and grants for over 100 safe drinking water projects in rural areas of 40 states. USDA grants and loans target rural communities plagued by some of the nation's worst water quality and dependability problems.

# Expanded Safe Drinking Water Act protections to protect 40 million additional Americans in small communities from potentially dangerous microbes, including Cryptosporidium, in their drinking water.

# Ensuring Clean Water. Launched the Clean Water Action Plan to help clean up the 40 percent of America's surveyed waterways still too polluted for fishing and swimming. Secured $3.9 billion since 1998, a 16 percent increase, to help states, communities and landowners in reducing polluted runoff, enhancing natural resource stewardship, improving citizens' right to know, and protecting public health.

# Strengthening Communities' Right to Know. Strengthened the public's right to know about chemicals released into their air and water by partnering with the chemical industry and the environmental community in an effort to provide complete data on the potential health risks of the 2,800 most widely used chemicals. Nearly doubled the number of chemicals that industry must report to communities, while expanding the number of facilities that must report by 30 percent.

# Expanded the community right to know about releases of 27 persistent bio-accumulative toxins (including mercury, dioxin, and PCBs). These highly toxic chemicals are especially risky because they do not break down easily and are known to accumulate in the human body.

# Secured $83 million in FY 2000 for two major new efforts to restore salmon in the Pacific Northwest: $58 million for the Pacific Coastal Salmon Recovery Fund, which provides resources for states and tribes to protect and rebuild salmon stocks; and $25 million to implement the historic Pacific Salmon Treaty with Canada, which established two regional funds to improve fisheries management and enhance bilateral scientific cooperation between the two countries and provides funding to buy back fishing permits in Washington.
b# Expanding Wildlife Refuges. Added 57,000 acres, including lands along the last free-flowing section of the Columbia River, to the Saddle Mountain National Wildlife Refuge to protect salmon habitat in Washington.

# Forging Partnerships to Protect Habitat. Completed 255 major Habitat Conservation Plans (HCPs), compared to 14 before the Administration took office, to protect more than 20 million acres of private land and over 170 threatened and endangered species. These voluntary agreements protect habitat while providing landowners the certainty they need to effectively manage their lands.

# Strengthening Protections for Wildlife. Signed legislation that strengthens protections for wildlife by mandating that the most important use of our nation's wildlife refuges is giving refuge to migratory birds and other animals reliant on this rich system of natural habitat.

Protecting our Oceans and Coasts

# Creating Comprehensive Oceans Policy. Directed the development of key recommendations for strengthening federal oceans policy for the 21st century and appointed a high-level task force to oversee the implementation of those recommendations. Convened a National Ocean Conference in June 1998 that brought together government experts, business executives, scientists, environmentalists, elected officials and the public to examine opportunities and challenges in restoring and protecting our ocean resources.

# Strengthening Our National Marine Sanctuaries. Secured a funding increase of over 100% to better support national marine sanctuaries -- homes to coral reefs, kelp forests, humpback whales, and loggerhead turtles. Supporting the five-year Sustainable Seas Expeditions to explore, study and document ways to better protect underwater resources.

# Preserving Coral Reefs. Issued an Executive Order to expand protection of coral reefs and their ecosystems to address issues of coral reef management, expansion of marine protected areas and increased protections for coral reef species.

# Protecting Marine Mammals. Led negotiations resulting in a multilateral agreement to protect dolphins in the eastern tropical Pacific Ocean. Issued new standards to protect the endangered northern right whale from injuries from ships by instituting a first-ever ship reporting requirement in two areas of right whale critical habitat. Fought for creation of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, an area of more than 12 million square miles off the coast of Antarctica.

# Banning Ocean Dumping of Toxic Waste. Led the world in calling for a global ban on ocean dumping of low-level radioactive waste. The U.S. was the first nuclear power to advocate the ban.

Introduced "Better America Bonds" to generate $10.75 billion in bond authority over five years to preserve open space, improve water quality and clean up abandoned and contaminated properties known as brownfields. Local communities can work together in partnerships with land trust groups, environmentalists, business leaders and others to develop innovative solutions to their community's development challenges.

# Provided leadership critical to successful negotiation of the Kyoto Protocol, which sets strong, realistic targets for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and establishes flexible, market-based mechanisms to achieve them as cost-effectively as possible.

# Investing in Clean Energy Research. Won more than $1 billion in FY 1999 and in FY 2000 for the Climate Change Technology Initiative, a program of clean energy research and development that will save energy and consumers money. Extended the tax credits for wind and biomass energy production through 2001, reducing emissions and reliance on imported oil.

# Growing Clean Energy Technologies. Issued an Executive Order to coordinate federal efforts to spur the development and use of bio-based technologies, which can convert crops, trees and other "biomass" into a vast array of fuels and materials. Set a goal of tripling our use of bioenergy and bioproducts by 2010 to reduce annual greenhouse gas emissions by up to 100 million tons a year -- the equivalent of taking 70 million cars off the road.

# Improving Scientific Understanding. Increased funding for the United States Global Change Research Program to more than $1.7 billion in FY 2000 to provide a sound scientific understanding of both the human and natural forces that influence the Earth's climate system. This record research budget continues strong support for the "Carbon Cycle Initiative" begun last year to improve our understanding of the role of farms, forests, and other natural or managed lands in capturing carbon.

# Energy Efficiency Standards for Appliances. Issued new energy efficiency standards for refrigerators, refrigerator-freezers, freezers and room air conditioners that will save consumers money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases and dependence on foreign oil. The new standards will cut the average appliance's energy usage by 30 percent and save more than seven quadrillion BTUs of energy over the next 30 years, more than seven times the annual energy consumption of the entire state of Arkansas.

# Promoting federal Energy Efficiency. Issued an Executive Order directing federal agencies to reduce energy use in buildings 35 percent by 2010, reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by the equivalent of taking 1.7 million cars off the road and saving taxpayers over $750 million a year. Forged new partnerships with industry to develop and promote energy-saving cars, homes and consumer products with the potential to save Americans hundreds of millions of dollars in energy bills and significantly curb greenhouse gas pollution.
http://www.environmentalcaucus.org/gore.html

PS: What about corruption?

Forget about it. As measured by the total number of convictions and forced resignations, Clinton's was the cleanest administration since Teddy Roosevelt.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:34 AM
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47. Agree this is an awesome record, but it was eight years ago
Things have changed in the 21st century, and using the past for a template for the future is not the best advisable strategy IMO.

Clinton's accomplishments are most certainly balanced out by the damage caused in the world by the republican congress and loss of the media, leading to subsequent eight year loss of the oval office at a critical time in our nation's history.

President Obama will inherit the worst mess ever, globally , infrastructure, economically, you name it. A lesser person would not be up to the task.

I can't believe some people still think "national security" is something the voters are concerned about but moreover that Obama can't lead in this area. But once again a Clinton legacy. Losing the media means you have people accepting without question that a republican will be better in this department or you need military experience ( What service did Hillary serve in? ) despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:03 PM
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52. in the immediate terms of management and day to day operations Clinton was an excellent president
in terms of longer term objectives like building a liberal base for the future and creating a lasting and principled platform for a progressive agenda Bill Clinton unfortunately conceeded too much to the right-wing - mainly because he considered the right's err on the side of big-business approach to be rational policy.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:10 PM
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81. "longest economic expansion in American history--a record 115 months of economic expansion"
Not his doing. He got lucky there was a tech boom -- very lucky, considering the impact of NAFTA had yet to be felt.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:49 AM
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14. Challenge all you like; they'll make more (evil). (NT)
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:42 AM
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12. I don't attempt to read her mind. Read her votes: Pro-War
Pro-NAFTA, Working for healthcare since 1992? Absurd.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:28 AM
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4. Wasn't Mitt Romney more viable when he pulled out?
He was trailing, but I believe he had a better chance of winning than Hillary does now.

Didn't Romney cite "party unity" as his reason for pulling out?
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:25 AM
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23. I Believe That Romney Was In An Even-Worse Position
I think that McCain had a very good shot at getting the "magic number" of delegates, since most Republican primaries are winner-take-all.

Obama doesn't have a realistic shot of hitting the "magic number" (although he'll almost certainly have more delegates than The Clintons.
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Splinter Cell Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:31 AM
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6. Amen!
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:42 AM
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11. Everyone knows Hillary's motivations: 2012.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:51 AM
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16. At this point: precisely. (NT)
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:02 AM
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19. Let me preemptively say that I won't support her in that primary either. eom
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 AM
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41. Please allow me join you in that non-support.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:21 PM
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91. I think it's simpler than that.
The fact of the matter is that by staying in the race, she's still in the race. If Obama drops out for any reason (Howard Dean fans know what I mean), then Clinton will win the nomination. If that's your shot at the White House and that's what you want, you take it.

I may be an unusual messenger for the voice of reason, since I am so often unreasonable, but having both of these candidates in the race does many interesting and helpful things for the Democratic Party this year. Right now they're getting at least two thirds of the television and print coverage, and since they agree on most of the issues they're pounding McCain so hard he had to leave the country to get someone to cover him. I suspect interest in the race is helping to build a far broader and stronger campaign network for the eventual winner. It's getting voters registered, while the knuckle-draggers are crawling back under their rocks. I further suspect it's generating more money, not less, for the party as a whole--both Democratic candidates are drawing funds at a better rate than McCain is. Are they out-gathering they entire GOP? That's a question I'd like to see answered, but you'd have to factor in how much GOP money is lost to money laundering.

And finally and most important, the two Dem candidates scrapping is giving fodder to the press. We just saw Obama knock that one out of the park. Clinton will have her turn at bat, soon. And in the meantime, no Republican hand-waving can channel the debate into radioactive-gay-whale-abortion or whatever their red herring of choice is this year. Instead, they can't help but shoot themselves in the ass nearly every day by falling back on their pet issues of racism and misogyny in a futile attempt to turn the debate away from actual issues--and this reverend-uncle bullshit, which went quite well for the intended victim.

I'm sorry, but I like it. And I'm not convinced Mrs. Clinton is in it just for herself. I think she knows that the best thing a Number Two can do is keep things interesting... and stay in the game.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:58 AM
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18. It's a good thing too -- Obama is damaged beyond repair
As it is the charlatan Obama may yet be pushed out.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:03 AM
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20. Nope. He's not damaged beyond repair yet
and what hillfans don't seem to grasp is that this process damages hilly every bit as much as Obama. And that grasping, egotistical woman is done. The odds of Obama being pushed out are slim to none. Tough shit for hill and hillfans.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:12 PM
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82. Yep, his lead increases almost daily - that's some damage!
:rofl:

Desperate Clintbots are HILLarious!

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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:05 AM
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21. "Why is Hillary Clinton staying in this race?"
Because she has Hope.
You're not against Hope now, are you cali?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:10 AM
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22. Hope for what?
I'm not a big fan of futile hope, no.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:47 AM
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24. Obviously, the Hope that we don't roll the dice on an Obama candidacy
I'm one of the few DUers who have said from Day One that I'll support who ever we nominate.
But from what I've seen of Obama, and what I've seen of McCain, Clinton is a better bet to defeat McCain.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:51 AM
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25. I really hate the the Dems are fucking up the GE again. Ya'll could mess up a wet dream!
Really folks, Hillary? There's no way in hell she could get elected in the GE, and even if she did, there's not a dime's worth of difference between her and McCain.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:44 AM
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38. And that was true even BEFORE the primaries began
Why we would even attempt to nominate a person whose very name jacks up the GOP base I will never know. If putting a Democrat in the White House was the goal, than Hillary Clinton was a poor starting point.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:00 AM
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29. "declared" by whom? Those who have an interest in her quitting.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:00 AM by Evergreen Emerald
It ain't over until its over.

I Declare: it is not over.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:12 AM
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30. I'm an Obama supporter, but...
I do think this is too harsh on Clinton. I think that she really, honestly believes that she can win and that somehow she will bring back those golden years we had in the 90s.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:42 PM
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60. That's what some folks said about bush too.
..that he had a "good heart".."he thought what he was doing was the right thing".

hilary is a calculating cold hearted, powermonger who sent our Soldiers to War ON Iraq for political expediency in 2002 when Obama and a lot of us knew better.

All of hilary's "experience" clouds her brain.
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 AM
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31. Her campaign is either a vampire or a zombie...I think more vampiric.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:43 PM
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61. How about..
a lot of both?
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Pryderi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 07:10 AM
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103. Agreed.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:15 AM
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32. As Vonnegut would have said: "It's true, it's true!"
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:17 AM
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33. I find this incredibly offensive for so many reasons. I woulnt know where to start
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 09:17 AM by Texas Hill Country
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:44 PM
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62. That means it's good and
true.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:24 AM
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35. We need to get over the "Hill" - It's all down "Hill" from here - "Hill" today gone tomorrow
Obama will build a shining city on the "Hill"... You can stop me anytime...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:45 PM
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63. hil's sliding down her
own hill fast!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:16 AM
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36. good article, Cali...
Thanks for posting that.


I've always said that the whole "Hillary gets the worst press" meme was a self-serving crock. The reality is that anyone else, other than her or her husband, would have been forced to concede by now -- even to the point of being laughed out of the race by the media, as Dean was.

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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:58 AM
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42. Or ignored, like Huckabee
The media obviously wants to drag this out for as long as possible, in order to boost McCain. They didn't keep treating Huckabee as a serious contender once it became obvious that he couldn't win. Why do they do it for Clinton?
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:21 AM
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37. It's obvious your biased against Clinton from reading your post
But Hillary is not out. I know Obama is trying to block any reconciliation from MI/FL but it's not over yet. Also, she knows what happened in 84 so she will not give up because everyone knows she is best to lead the country out of Iraq, to correct the economy, bring about racial harmony. As such, your Hillary hate post is very divisive and not good for party unity.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:46 AM
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39. Yes, I'm biased against Hillary
but you completely failed to rebut any of the points I made. She may think she's best suited. I certainly don't. And what with the race baiting that her campaign blatantly and cynically engaged in, she is certainly NOT the best to help ease racial tenisions. Not even close.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:54 PM
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66. Yes,, we
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:55 PM
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87. so are you. you're just not honest about it
as for your silly little picture of Rove and Obama, two can play that game, sweetie. Hilly's campaign manager lauded Rove and said that she was going to use his tactics as a template, and bill congratulated him on his 2004 win. silly little you.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:48 AM
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40. Block reconciliation eh?
Lets do this one more time. The rules on primaries were clear and those two states broke them. Now Hillary wants to undo that. Exactly WHY would Obama be on board for that??? Would YOU be onboard for that if you were in his position?? If the solution is not roughly equitable then no deal. And don't give me that shit that Hillary already won, her name shouldn't have even been on the fucking ballot.

The denseness around here used to make me giggle. Now it just makes me sick.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:01 PM
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68. Everyone knows? Wow.
10M plus to date disagree with that statement.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:41 AM
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48. Chuck Todd and his article are spot-on again. K&R. n/t
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:51 AM
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49. The corporate media gives us the corporate candidate.
They want McCain in there, but Hillary would be best for them on the Democratic side. McCain will destroy her in the GE, and in the long shot she wins, she is very corporate-friendly.

Anyone who claims the media is against Hillary does not have a good grasp on reality.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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67. Yes, why would the m$$$m let the facts out
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:56 PM by zidzi
about the candidate who would make corporations accountable?

I and a lot of others knew this would be the way the 2008 election would go down.."IT'S THE MEDIA STUPID"

The US corporations and the corporatewhores who run them have sold out America for their fucking filthy lucre.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:01 PM
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51. Hillary is for Hillary - she doesn't care about US
She's not concerned about the party, about winning back the WH, about the state of the nation. Hillary cares about Hillary. Period.
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usrbs Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:00 PM
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95. And you know this how? n/t
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:04 PM
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53. She is still here
Is'nt she? STFU then..the Hill haters are pathetic.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 01:14 PM
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54. Hammer on the head of the nail. What gives Hillary the right to ruin our chances in '08 for her ego?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:51 PM
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65. Does BO have
and ego?---What gives him the right to continue. Your comment is beyond the pale

http://bp3.blogger.com/_vH5f59Og-Sc/Rsk8dPZMnAI/AAAAAAAAA7g/JRs1kzPFYOU/s320/rove+obama.jpg
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Pringles Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:25 AM
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97. Agreed.
Just because he makes slick speeches when cornered is no reason for a coronation.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 02:45 PM
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55. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:16 PM
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56. Yeah, I do believe it.. the "media"..the m$$$m who
know hilary would be the corporate kissy ass candidate.

But, "NOT THIS TIME"
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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64. That's a damn good question, and
the only answer I can come up with is she is still expecting TPTB to install her. She must have some reason to still believe her FIX IS IN, as we have been told over and over. IT IS SHE! So, obviously she is still holding onto that promise. I would love to know what her handlers have told her, what they are waiting for if indeed it is their intention to place her in power. :shrug: Otherwise, any patriotic American would do the right thing, which she obviously hasn't.


K/R
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:45 PM
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69. "...still believe her FIX IS IN..." and "...love to know what her handlers have told her"
  I think it's pretty reasonable that every 24 hours that she remains in the race the eyebrows raise higher as to what she can hope to achieve or what she is waiting for.

  After the last primary I watched a Clinton speech in which she (basically) intoned that her reason of staying in the race was to make sure that everyone's voice counted. Everyone's voice counting in this case means staying in for all the primaries.

  But every day it just gets, well, a little weirder. I don't think she's fooling anyone with the "make every voice heard" canard.

  Votesomemore, do you recall when the Italian Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, lost the election? He, his mind, just couldn't...I dunno, his mind just couldn't take the loss. So he cooks up a multi-pronged attack: He challenges the results of the election AND suggests that he should be invited to be part of a coalition government with his opponent. In other words, he knew he lost but he was doing everything he could to stay in power even though it was pretty clear he lost.

  Lately I've been thinking that Clinton may be suffering from the Berlusconi syndrome and that her handlers are going to enable her, even at the expense of embarrassing the entire Democratic party.

  If she chooses to stay in this all the way up to the convention, hoping to broker it...why, it's going to fuck things up something fierce.

PB
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:49 PM
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93. It is eerie and why
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 09:51 PM by votesomemore
they have been called zombies, the living dead. It almost gets embarrassing at times. She is harassing my home state of Texas with her lawyer hounds. It is a disgusting display. Bill was down here (I don't think he wanted to leave, and the Obamas say they LOVE Austin :D ).. but Bill was making a big deal of *voting two times*. It's a case of, the system isn't working their way so there must be something wrong with the system! Or the media! Or sex discrimination! Or LIES! Or or or

Someone needs to sit her down and say, "Shame on YOU, Hillary"!

You know we have to refer to her as *them*. It is what it is. At one time, having Bill back would have been a dream come true. No more. Too much has been violated. I don't stick around with cheaters, and this has gone way beyond the Oval Office. I bet you know what I mean.

They are DINOs. I have always felt that the reason Gore could not pull it out all the way was because he was carrying dead weight. We sure as hell do not need a team of dead weights running our country.

All the things that his distracters throw at him only showcase Obama's strengths. That is why they hate him so. He is so much better than they are but he would never feel that way.

I don't intend to be so brutal. There is just nothing good to say about them at this point.


dis·tract·er also dis·trac·tor (dĭ-străk'tər) pronunciation
n. One of the incorrect answers presented as a choice in a multiple-choice test.


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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:49 PM
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70. Cali, she's suffering from Berlusconi Syndrome. If you recall...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:50 PM by Poll_Blind
...the way he handled his defeat- which is to say, to pretend that he didn't lose and insisted (until the white coats dragged him away) that he should be part of a coalition government with Prodi. I think Clinton, herself, her handlers or a painful combination of the two have decided not to accept reality.

  But every day more and more questions are raised about why Clinton would have some legitimate reason to stay in the race.

PB
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:58 PM
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72. Ouch. If people need to use Italian politics to explain your candidacy, you've really hit bottom.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:04 PM
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76. As they say, if the scarpa fits... n/t
PB
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:51 PM
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71. like cockroaches n/t
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:02 PM
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73. I'll just be glad when she finally accepts her loss, so we can start wailing on McLame...
...instead of Obama being forced to waste time on conservative attacks from two sides.

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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78. It's just painful to see how many opportunities are being missed
Schtupping-the-Lobbyist-gate, Crazy-Fascist-RW-Pastor-gate, Senile-Old-Grandpa-gate, Clueless-on-Iraq-gate, etc, etc, etc. All ignored while Hillary keeps up her campaign of futility. :banghead:
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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79. SD's need to step-up and put this down-ticket disaster out of her misery
==Simply take a look at Bill Clinton's record from '92 to '00 and you’ll understand why they're having a harder time corralling party activists and elected officials to their side.

Remember, when his name was on the ballot ('92 and '96) the Democratic party lost Senate seats both times. Never mind the beating the party took in '94; a walloping often blamed on both Bill and Hillary.

Even in '98, which was, perhaps, the most successful Congressional election of the Clinton era, the party netted zero Senate seats and gained less than a handful of House seats.

It's not exactly something to brag about.

While there are plenty of unknowns about Obama’s ability to truly expand the base of the Democratic Party, there are plenty of superdelegates who think they know Clinton couldn't rise to that very same challenge.==

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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80. Oh yeah, Hillary is all about Hillary and what about saintly Obama?
Isn't the very junior senator from IL all about himself? The good of the people, please.......

So much hogwash!!!!!!!

BTW, MSNBC has lost all legitimacy as a news outlet since it has become another surrogate of the Obama campaign. I'm finding more objectivity at Fox, of all places, if I want to hear a fair assessment of the news. Also, PBS and C-Span are objective, the rest spout pure B.S.
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:51 AM
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98. Fox?
Fox?
Really?
Fox?
C'mon, Really?
Fox?
:wtf: you can't be serious

FOX?!?!?!?!
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:23 PM
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83. Super-delegates can overturn this race
Super-delegates were created after Carter (an anti-Establishment candidate) won the democratic ticket.

Super-delegates are there to ensure the an anti-Washington Presidential democratic nominee never gets elected President again.

Hillary is placing her "hopes" on super-delegates, because only they can overturn Obama's lead. Can anyone tell me what % of super-delegates are anti-Washington???
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:46 PM
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84. Wow. I see why others might call your posts "nasty"
Hillary's hardly still in the race "solely" because she is married to Bill. Her political power derives from her own efforts over the long years of her supporting and building Bill's political career, and successfully converting that effort into political support for herself -- albeit buffered by the political machine, and many of the people and organizations previously aligned with her husband, not the least of which is the DLC. Politics is politics and it's difficult to begrudge one politician's path to power without fully disclosing and investigating the same for their opponents.

But it's tough to argue with your take on the current position of her campaign and its apparent unwillingness to stick to the rules and previous pledges & agreements, and generally face reality.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:59 PM
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88. You need a hug.
:hug:
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:34 AM
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99. I think Obama supporters need to stop tearing Hillary down. She could win. There's nothing here,
but insults.

Her numbers are up, his down.

It's not good for you to keep promoting this idea that the nomination 'belongs' to him.

That hurts the party.

What will you do if she's the nominee, say she STOLE it?


That'd be a stretch after everything the media and certain party leaders have done to try and assure it goes to Obama.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:35 AM
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100. She's In It to Win It
By Any Means Necessary.
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LulaMay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:35 AM
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101. PS- You sound nervous.
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