It's hard not to be ashamed.

[Splinter Cell]

I heard Barack Obama give one of the best speeches in decades yesterday, and there are people that still have an issue with this non-issue. It doesn't matter worth a DAMN what Obama's Reverend said in a sermon. It doesn't matter. It has nothing to do with his character, or his leadership, or the country.

I'd really hate for America to pull it's head from it's ass during this election process. For once, to vote for the good of the commonwealth and not out of ignorance. Where, when, if, or how Obama or any other candidate goes to church has NOTHING to do with the presidency and the duties of said office.

I'm a white man, and I can understand the simple fact that Obama and his church don't owe me an excuse. White people are just uncomfortable because many blacks in America are pissed about the raw deal they've been handed. It's ignorance, and fear, and Hillary is more then willing to play off it.

She can't seem to, or at least won't, help herself. She will do anything, including push forward all the fear and ignorance of black America, so she can benefit. How can anyone of progressive values support this? How can you support these wedge tactics? How can you ignore the blatant right-wing plays she has employed?

This is not about whether you like or don't like Obama. This is about the fact that whatever you may think of Obama, Hillary shouldn't be a choice. She's disqualified herself through her actions. She's proven that everything the Clintons stood for was a lie and politically motivated, and worthy of being discarded when the time was right. There is only one democrat in this race. It is not Hillary Clinton.

[shadowknows69]

1. Well said

And Welcome to DU!

Edit to add: I see now that you've been here as long as I have. Welcome anyway!!!

[Splinter Cell]

2. Thanks

[C_U_L8R]

3. Welcome to DU Godfather!

Eloquent and powerful thoughts.
Thank you.

[flor de jasmim]

4. Well said, except...

when you wrote (paragraph 2) that "I'd really hate for America..." did you not mean the opposite?

[Splinter Cell]

5. yeah

I was trying to be sarcastic on that. :-)

[flor de jasmim]

8. sorry, I read too literally!

[Tellurian]

6. You didn't detail just how Hillary Clinton disqualified herself from the race..

and you have yet to explain why Obama is a one way street? Others have apologized to Obama for statments made by her supporters not at her direction. Why has Ob ama not apologized to Senator Clinton for the despicable display slamming Sen Clinton in one of the sermons given by the Rev Wright?

[flor de jasmim]

9. An APOLOGY has to come from the transgressor

Obama did not slam Hillary. It is up to Pastor W. to do so, if he feels so inclined.

A statement from Obama "I apologize" would not be an apology, but a statement of sympathy. I think he has said enough. I'd like to hear from Hillary what a tremendous speech that was on a HUMAN level--to give credit where it's due. The election is about more than just the candidates, after all.

[Splinter Cell]

12. It's amazing

There are still folks that think that ANYTHING that comes from the Clinton political machine is spontaneous.

If one of Obama's supporters had said Hillary was only successful because of her gender, they wouldn't have lasted 24 hours in the campaign. Somebody on the Clinton side says something about Obama only being successful because he's black, and they lasted until the shit-storm got too intense.

Don't fool yourself. Hillary wasn't offended by GF's comments. She wouldn't have cared if the media didn't pick up on it.

[Tellurian]

17. You assume so much in your posts as to make them not written with critical thinking..

I can appreciate your broaching the topic but your conclusions run far afield of reality writing posers of empty rhetoric and expecting them to qualify as a credible explanation. You have not given enough weight to facts vs opinion and have never truly answered why you think Hillary has disqualified herself from the race.. But I thank you for the response anyway.

[Splinter Cell]

25. The facts are all around you

If you can read and post on this forum without seeing them, then I can't help you anyway.

[denem]

13. Hillary disqualified herself from the race

by attracting supporters like you.

[Perry Logan]

7. That's some chutzpah--an anti-Hillarite DARING to talk about shame!

A great speech can't erase the nasty stuff so many DUers have and continue to post about Hillary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4999545&mesg_id=4999545

[dkf]

15. All your threads are "leave Hillary Alone!" type threads.

I thought you were going to show us evidence of your accusations.

[Perry Logan]

16. It's corroborating testimony. I've been seeing such threads ever since I came to DU.

[dkf]

21. It would mean more to me to see the supposedly unfair treatment of Hillary.

Then I can judge for myself vs. the possibly over sensitized reactions of Hillary supporters.

I mean Hillary has been doing some pretty horrendous stuff and she deserves blow back. If that is what you are protesting I am sorry that I can't sympathize.

[quantass]

10. Hillbots take notice

[Major Hogwash]

11. When it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck . . . it's a duck.

Hillary is acting more like a Republican, like Lieberman, than she is Obama.

And that's just sad.

[arundhatiroyfan]

14. The media won't let go of it

Just a moment ago on CNN International: Barack Obama still on damage-control-mode.:banghead:

[Saturday]

18. Yea, it was a good speech....

but I didn't hear Obama tell me why he sat in the pews for 20 years while his pastor spewed hate speech. He made it about us rather than explaining his own actions.

[casus belli]

19. Yeah he did.

And thank you for admitting you didn't bother to watch it.

[workinclasszero]

20. There is only one democrat in this race. It is not Hillary Clinton.

I totally agree! Hillary represents the DLC neocon pro-war wing of the party which needs to be purged. Its a cancer thats eating the dem party alive.

Witness what is goin on here.

No need to go to freakrepublic or listen to hate radio to hear the latest right wing attack meme on Obama.

Just come on over to the Democratic Underground and you can get the latest reich wing hate fresh from the Hillbots.

From Rush's ass to their mouths. Its sickening.

[IsItJustMe]

22. I feel what you have just said. Either your a progressive Democrat, or your not. And I would say

that there are people out there that talk-the-talk, for their own personal motives, but don't walk-the-walk.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

23. Hillary Has Done No Such Thing And Is Absolutely A Great Democrat.

I can't say she hasn't erred at times in her campaign, but I wouldn't be so short sighted and reactionary as to declare they erase all that she is and all that she's done.

In the end of it all, she will still be a Democrat of which I am proud to have in our party.

[Psyop Samurai]

24. "There is only one democrat in this race."

Correct.

"This is not about whether you like or don't like Obama."

Correct.

I never thought much about "him" one way or another (just a part of the BIG LIE), but have recently come to see much potential good, thanks to the perspective of fellow DUers.

"She's disqualified herself through her actions."

Correct.

However, this was accomplished long before any of the campaign tactics you abhor.

"How can anyone of progressive values support this?"

They can't. Nor do they.

:hi: