Obama lied to us.

[Evergreen Emerald]

Obama said he had never heard Wright speak offensively. Then, when he gave his speech, he admitted that he HAD heard him speak like that.

Obama was caught in a lie. And not one person in the media is mentioning it. He LIED. To all of us.

[tekisui]

1. He said he had not heard the offensive comments in the clip

that was played ad naseum.

[Igel]

89. In other words, some critical pundits were right.

He carefully chose his words so that they were true, but also so that we would infer that he was unaware of Wright's "controversial" speech. He wasn't--deny a small point to avoid conceding the big point.

Just as he was talked into asking Wright to not give a speech a year ago (after having previously asked him); later he simply "decided" not to invite him--again, something that is arguably true, but misleading. Again--the small point masks the larger issue.

Lawyer. Politician. Adept at speaking truth to conceal problems.

Thing is, he's a better speaker. And a better liar.

[tekisui]

94. A better politician and a better leader.

[Drachasor]

99. He bought some time politically to tell the complexities of the truth

[ThatBozGuy]

2. Might have something to do with, that not being what he said......

Feel free to find the transcript where he said that, not your thought or opinion of what you heard.

[Kittycat]

3. Pull the cotton out of your ears, or get transcripts and READ.

:eyes:

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. Here's a helpful hint:

If you want an accusation of lying to be taken seriously, provide quotes, in context of the supposed lie. That way there can be no arguing over exactly what was said - no paraphrasing or other bullshit.

[atreides1]

5. Care to provide some evidence

Did he actually say that he never heard him speak offensively, or that he was not in church on the specific date that Reverend Wright made the "offensive" remarks that everyone is talking about?

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. you guys are so funny

Attempting to parse his words to make him look like the person you want him to be.

I remember when you parse Clinton's words--it is for the opposite: to dehumanize her and make her the evil person you have created.

He said if he had heard anything offensive he would have said something to him. Now, he says he heard offensive things. He lied to us to win an election.

[scheming daemons]

12. "He said if he had heard anything offensive he would have said something to him."

That's a lie. Please provide Obama's actual quote.


Not what you think you heard him say.

[Exilednight]

15. If that's what he said, then you will not have a problem finding a transcript where he said it.

[Window]

20. Better to be funny than sick and blinded by hate.

Bye.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. right, cause calling someone on their lies is sick and hateful

This is a democratic board. What the hell happened to people.

Notice the attacks I am getting for not towing the Obama line? Personal. Ugly.

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[Voice for Peace]

57. I think the point people are trying to make is valid

but I don't think you're trying to understand. You are the one who is parsing
Obama's words. Can you even look at that and consider the details people
are referring to?

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[Evergreen Emerald]

71. "you have become what we on DU despise"

I am a progressive liberal. And you have attempted to dehumanize me so that you can attack me at will. You are wrong. I have never watched Fox News. And I never will. I was not the one praising Scarborough when he was attacking Clinton--look back at your posts, I am certain you were sleeping with the enemy when it suited you.

I don't like the fact that Obama is lying to us. That does not make me a RW asshole.

And, I speak for DU as much as you do. "We on DU." I am part of that "we"

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[Mags]

31. They don't care if he lied or not. We still don't know anything

about the real BO, except that he loves a racist Rev. He'd rather put his grandma down then the Rev.

[greguganus]

49. You Failed. n/t

[Hepburn]

61. Hello? You started this thread about Obama allegedly lying...

...and you have less than -0- evidence to support your averment. So...stop pointing your finger about what others might have done about your queen until you remedy the FACT that you did not give one link in your OP or support your averment in any manner whatsoever.

Duh....:eyes:

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[chimpymustgo]

8. I agree. And I thought the speech was fantastic. But he clearly lied when he said

he hadn't heard Wright make incendiary remarks when he was first asked about it. I think it's stunning Obama didn't deal with matter this earlier, especially once he started thinking about running for the Presidency.

[scheming daemons]

9. Um..no.... he never said he had never hear Wright speak offensively...

..he said he never heard the specific comments that were playing in the endless loops over the weekend...

"God Damn America"

"U.S. of K K K A"

"Hillary ain't never been called a n*****"



He specifically said in the interviews on Friday that he never heard those specific comments.....the 5 or 6 sermons that the MSM was playing over and over again. He never said that he never heard Wright say anything controversial.


You are mischaracterizing what Obama said on Friday and what he said yesterday. And as such... that makes YOU the liar.

[casus belli]

10. You don't listen well.

That's not Obama's problem.

[baldguy]

11. Um, no.

He said that he wasn't present at the sermons from which the infamous sound bites were taken, but he had been present when he heard Wright make remarks which some would deem controversial.

Before you try to spread divisiveness, you should get your facts straight.

Here's a transcript for the stupid:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9100.html

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[Evergreen Emerald]

18. Troll? YOu have 300 posts and I have been hear for years

How dare you suggest that I am a troll because I am not swooning over Obama.

How dare you.

[casus belli]

25. Ooooh the indignation.

You poor, poor victim. How dare they indeed.

[blogslut]

27. How dare you

That's a fun thing to say.

Now how about you back up your statement with an actual quote?

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[verges]

81. self delete

self delete

[Justyce]

36. Alerted.

"Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, conservative, Republican, FReeper, or troll, or do not otherwise imply they are not welcome on Democratic Underground."

[greguganus]

56. Bringing up someone's post count is also a violation. n/t

[mtnsnake]

51. Lets face it dude. If anyone is a troll it's not EE. You are definitely a troll though

That much is obvious. Nice try, though, in pointing the finger at someone else just to cover up for your own trollness, as if anyone would ever fall for that.

BTW, your idol, John McCain, won't have a fucking prayer in the General Election so tell that to your brethren when you go back there to post.

[Window]

16. No one mentioned it because he did not lie. He clearly stated he had heard some

remarks he definitely did not agree with, just not those sound bytes that have been playing in the media and on you tube the past week.

How is that you and a few others who truly hate the man heard otherwise?

Such a beautiful, necessary speech and that's all you came away with...pitiful, hateful you.

I pity you who cannot move past the hate or racism or whatever the hell it is that you feel toward Obama.

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. So, you stoop to calling me a racist.

You have no idea who I am. You have no idea what my race is, or what race my children are. For you to suggest that I am a racist because I do not swoon for the guy who talks pretty shows what is wrong with race in our country.

We cannot have a discussion or criticize a black man without being called a racist.


My criticism of Obama has nothing to do with his race. He is pretending to be something he is not.

[Hepburn]

68. From your posts, IMO, most have a pretty good idea of what you are all about.

Excuse me while I :puke:

[Evergreen Emerald]

96. No. You are wrong.

I cannot let this statment go by without comment. You call me a racist because I disagree with you. Because I dare to critise Obama, I am a racist. You are wrong.

You and your beliefs are the problem. Until we can be free to say what we feel about Obama without being called a racist, there will be no equality for anyone.

It is so easy for you shout racism with no knowledge about what you speak. Sit back and nod your head and dehumanize anyone who disagrees with you. Do you know who you emulate?

This is not democracy. You are not progressive. You are akin to those 5 years ago who were calling anyone who disagreed with Bush "UnAmerican."

How ugly.

[DainBramaged]

17. Another thread I'm hiding, along with the author

You must believe the bullshit Scarborough and Pukechannon were trying to spread this morning.

Or the bullshit the Reich wing talking heads are spreading.

Hate, it's bad for your soul.

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. I remember when you guys LOVED Scarborough

of course that was when he was bashing Clinton.

you guys must be in pretzels attempting to justify your behavior.

For the record: I don't watch the republican Scarborough. He is propaganda.

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[Hepburn]

70. You remember some time that I, among other DUers, LOVED...

...Joey Scarborough?

WTF are YOU smoking???? You are delusional. I have always hated that pompouse RW asshole. Care to post a link to any post of mine on the DU where I have just LOVED Joey???

:eyes:

[jefferson_dem]

19. Don't be dense...or assume that we are.

He never said what you are claiming.

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[greguganus]

58. But how do you REALLY feel? n/t

[redqueen]

80. I think some of these people might just have stunningly poor comprehension skills.

I have to give some of them the benefit of the doubt.

[durrrty libby]

23. "He LIED. To all of us." And water is wet

[jackson_dem]

95. Once again. How many times has he been busted lying in the past month alone?

3? 4?

[SeaLyons]

32. It was clearly pointed out on CNN

last night. They showed the clip of him on saying he had never heard the remarks, and then his saying "yes" he had in his speech. Yes, Obama lied to our face.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. oh good. I am glad it was covered by the media.

His antics have been nearly ignored by the media. It is about time.

[Hepburn]

72. Post some links to the ACTUAL statements, OK?

You are 100% WRONG about what was said. And...I assume that is why you are NOT posting links to support your statements.

Gawd, why do you Hillary supporters just HAVE to LIE and SPIN???? She is gonna lose and do you really see any reason for you to sacrifice your integrity in the process of her humiliating loss??

The inevitable winner is now the for-sure loser. Deal with it, OK? And lying about the other candidate is NOT going to make loser Hillary the winner.

[RaleighNCDUer]

77. "why do you Hillary supporters just HAVE to LIE and SPIN??"

Because that's all they've got.

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[Evergreen Emerald]

34. And it is not the first time he has lied to us when confronted with something

in his campaign: Canada. At first he lied, then later admitted that his surrogate spoke to the Canadian official.

Obama lied.

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[casus belli]

37. Evergreen on the self-kick....

kick that old dirty dog...kick it

[chimpymustgo]

40. And Rezco. Damn! I ALMOST bought in yesterday. Back to reality.

[dkf]

38. You really need to back this up because I think you are deliberately spewing misunderstandings

that do not boost your credibility at all.

[Evergreen Emerald]

41. please

We cannot have a discussion without this cesspool turning into personal attacks. You want credibility? Then lets discuss. But to spew such hatred towards me is not democracy. It is majority bully-rule.

[dkf]

97. Hatred? Asking you to back up your assertions is "Hatred"?

Damn that word hardly means anything nowadays.

Hate has become so trivialized, like patriotism.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. You're Wrong. He Never Said Such A Thing. That's Easy For You To Learn Don't Be Willfully Ignorant

Take a few moments, educate yourself to the facts of what he said, recognize that you made a mistake in interpretation, and then you can come back and respond to this thread with an apology and message of thanks to people for having let you know you were in error.

[Evergreen Emerald]

44. He distanced himself from Wright, feigning ignorance.

Pretending he had no idea WRight made controversial statements. That was his tact. When it did not work (who would believe that he sat in the pews for 20 years and did not hear stuff), he changed his tact and gave "the speech." His goal was to purposefully suggest to the American people that he had no idea the guy was so far out there.

You can now attempt to parse his words to try to cover for him. But, his goal was to pretend he had no knowledge.


Just like he did with the Canadian issue: he lied at first.

[JVS]

98. You're really overestimating the OP's intellectual honesty

[ElsewheresDaughter]

43. yes he did and he is getting a free pass for that lie and the lie about being "more" involved Rezko

then he first said. He gave an 80 interview with the Tribune reporters and admitted that his "involvement with Rezko and his money was much more then he had previously claimed"

[denem]

46. From Wright to Rezko

next McClurkin?

[Evergreen Emerald]

47. that is exactly right

Remember in one of the debates he actually said he knew him from when he worked at a law firm and did a couple of things for him. Suggesting that he barely saw the guy. Then we find out, he was deeply involved with him on a personal and professional level.

Another lie.

[Pacifist Patriot]

45. *sigh* Can someone please explain to me why....

this made the greatest page?

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[Evergreen Emerald]

50. yes: because

Obama is getting a free pass on this board and in the media who is giving him a leg-up in this election.

Every breath, every blink of Clinton's eye is parsed and dissected and given the worst possible interpretation so that you can continue to go on hating her.

Obama LIES to us about his relationship with Rezko, about knowing his Pastor's words, about his surrogate contacting Canada..and NOTHING. He gets a free pass.

He has lied to us again and again.

The greatest page: finally the truth is spoken. And, notice the personal attacks. What is Obama about? Unity? This is not unity.

[Pacifist Patriot]

60. When I click on something on the greatest page I expect (or hope) to see...

either something of substance or something novel. I see neither in your post.

My preferred choice for president dropped out ages ago so I have no dog in this hunt, but I do like to read things about the candidates that could be pertinent to the general election. As a relatively objective observer I think it is fair to say that neither Obama nor Clinton are getting a free pass on this site. I have seen both trashed, thrashed and parsed as well as both being lionized and practically worshipped.

The problem with your post is that you failed to provide anything concrete. Rather than point to a specific comment you made a blanket assertion that completely missed out on the actual statements made by Obama.

My criticism of this post making the greatest page is not about you personally, nor is it a comment about how I'd like to see Obama treated. I clicked on it because your headline intrigued me and I was curious to see if there was anything of substance in it. Instead I found a decided lack of quality and depth within.

If you take some time to include excerpts from transcripts, provide some analysis as to how you think this reflects on his ability to govern and what you think it means to the general election against McCain then I would consider it greatest page fodder.

[RaleighNCDUer]

78. God Damn America!

God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!God Damn America!

SURE, he's getting a leg up by the media.

:eyes:

[mtnsnake]

52. It seems Obama is making a habit of it. I love how the culties are all in such denial. lol

K&R!

[theredpen]

53. *PLONK*

[theredpen]

54. *PLONK*

[mtnsnake]

63. lmao, I love how you whining babies can't stand hearing the truth

*PLONK*

:rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

66. What does Plonk mean?

Another brain cell exploding?

[Bluebear]

69. No, you're on ignore now for that poster lol

:silly:

[IsItJustMe]

55. Do you ever have anything good to say about anything? Just wondering.

[Evergreen Emerald]

65. lots of things.

I think Clinton is an awesome Senator and a progressive inspiring woman who has worked her life for civil rights. And I think she would make a great President.

I think that Obama gave a good speech yesterday about race in America.

[whatchamacallit]

64. Patheticus Maximus

OMG! OMG! OOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!

[RunningFromCongress]

67. He said he wasn't present for the YouTube clip sermons, get your facts straight

[hell-bent]

73. Here is some proof he lied!

Check out his statement in the 6th paragraph down. What could be more explicit that he never heard those inflammatory statements from his "uncle". Take off the blinders folks. He is nothing but another lying politician. http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-i-never-heard-wright-say-bad-things

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

86. Actually, That's Proof That You're Wrong.

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy"

That are the cause of this controversy.

The statements that are the cause of this controversy.

Those direct statements.

Those specific statements.

Nowhere since, has he made any claims that he WAS present for any of those specific statements.

You're done.

Go away now.

[ihelpu2see]

74. Hilbot, spreading lies... nt

[Auntie Bush]

75. Here's how he tried to cover up his lying and he knew he was lying!

He said, "He was (not sitting in the pews) when statements like that were made."
He said, "Had I (heard them in the church) I would have disavowed him."
He said, "They were not statements that were (made in church) so...........

But notice, he implied through cleaver "wording" that he never heard Wright utter racial slurs by always qualifying his denials with he never heard it in church. After knowing him for 20 years and many personal conversations...don't you think he discussed these hateful comments with him in person? Just because he didn't "hear them in church"...doesn't mean he didn't know how Wright felt and thought...yet he continued their relationship. That 20 year relationship had to impacted his thinking and philosophy? Michele certainly sounded like it has effected her.

He indeed lied about not knowing and now he has admitted it. If that were Bill or Hill they would have been destroyed in every possible way by the RW, the media, the blogs and DU. But it's St Obama and he can do no wrong. The media just rationalizes and looks the other way because he looks presidential in front of all those flags and we don't criticize Obama as we will be accused of being racist.

Who here believes the RW aren't going to bring this up during the GE and call him a liar and/or flip flopper? It's gonna happen.

[hell-bent]

82. And, it's reflected in his latest poll numbers.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

[Raffi Ella]

76. Yes he did.

His speech was made because nobody believed the lie and his Campaign was in free fall.

He stood at that podium yesterday to save his Campaign.This primary season would be altogether different had he made this topic an integral part of his campaign, from the beginning - woulda made what he said yesterday righteous,I would have believed him and probably have gotten behind him as a Candidate - But he couldn't very well do that or he wouldn't have had a free pass to exploit race as he has through out his campaign.

How ironic to be lectured on race and racism by the man who has thought nothing of exploiting that sad truth to "gin up votes",to exploit that very sad truth for their own personal gain...

Maybe now ObamaCo. will think twice before enciting racial discord against his opponent - Maybe now if he tries to he will be called on it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

83. How very Rovian.

When it has been Hillary's campaign that made the decision to marginalize him as the "black candidate" before SC, because they were suddenly scared by his appeal to white voters. If he could be dismissed as just another Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton, he would be no threat.

The candidate whose gotten the majority of popular votes, pledged delegates and superdelegates is in "freefall"?

You need a vacation. Get away for a while, then come back to reality when you're rested.

[SeaLyons]

85. yes, freefall!!!

the video's were very negative for Obama. They will continue to be. Nothing Rovian here.

[redqueen]

79. Amazing. What, not enough posts blasting this RW talking point already?

:eyes:

[JuniperLea]

87. Thanks for this, EE...

I'm not sure if Obama lied or not... I need to do more reading and I haven't the time right now. And because I haven't much time, I greatly appreciate this thread. There is so much hating and name calling all in once place that it made it easy for me to put a whole slew of haters and meanies on ignore all at once! Thank you!

I put my first person on ignore this morning... how sad is that. I generally subscribe to the "live and let live" or "live and learn from fools and from sages" group... but I just don't have time for the hate anymore.

The only place worse than DU for hate right now is dKos... the Intertubes are reeking to high heaven.

[Pewlett Hackard]

88. What happen ?

Somebody set up us the Obama.

[bunnies]

90. fingerwag. nt

[devilgrrl]

91. To be honest, I thought the Reverend's comments were right on the money

:popcorn:

[RYOMYO]

92. So what?

n/t

[nickn777]

93. The media really is "in the tank" for Obama.....

God, Chris Matthews last night was bordering on disgusting over his Obama praise...similar to his one about getting tingles down his leg everytime Obama speaks.....

Countdown with Keith is a 60 minute assault on Clinton, complete with Special Comments of Keith practically foaming at the mouth. Where is Olbermann's special comment on Wright??

[crankychatter]

101. I'm wet for Obama

...literally MOIST with anticipation

I ain't kidding either. I'd take a bullet for that guy.

I was VERY DELIGHTED to watch Chris Matthews, but even as an Obama supporter..

I was slightly embarrassed for him.

He fairly drooled eh?

After the hammering Obama's gotten in the MSM since the Saturday Night Live skit... and CONTINUES to get on EVERY network other than MSNBC...

it was sort of like the final arrival of monsoon after smelling rain for days...

orgasmic, really

So, does Chris Matthews swing both ways?

gawud I am maffing my lass off

[crankychatter]

100. really reaching there eh?

He said he wasn't in church on THAT particular day...

there is no lie.

this is the weakest, intended to be incendiary criticism yet.

email Clinton Camp quick... maybe she'll use it.