Could it be that the reason that some who are giving Obama a hard time..

[butterfly77]

is that they are so used to being lied to and talked to in nuances that they can't handle the truth? Is it the fact that they have been listening to someone with a very limited vocabulary who is their leader and talks to them as though they are stupid or that they just can't handle it when a real man stands up and tells it like it really is. IS it that they don't want to hear the truth? Most of these people who are criticizing know its the truth they just don't want to talk about it.

There leader (bush) tells us that we must come together as a country but he makes sure he divides us just like they are doing in Iraq and the people cheer him. Blacks can be a part of the country when it comes to war but otherwise it is still separate and unequal. Someone can come from another country and get more respect than a black person in this country. As for all of the people who think they know what black people think and feel and know how they worship and what it is all about should go to some black churches for a few weeks and tell us about it. I will be damn if you are going to tell me how to worship!

I have been going to black churches all of my life and that doesn't make me hate white people and Yes I have heard sermons like Rev.Wright.. People are people and there is good and bad in every race.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

1. It's a great change to have someone like Obama who is intelligent and makes good judgement

I think Obama is coming over loud and clear no matter how they try to strangle him

[papau]

2. I do not trust Obama - but for reasons you do not mention

Obama based on my research appears to be on both sides - or no side - of any reasonably major item - but is to the left of Hillary on votes that do not matter as nothing is going to pass. I see no Obama ability to get anything through a legislature, and I dislike his compromises with the GOP, such as adding a tax break for corporations to a social spending bill to get a GOP sponsor. The other "co-sponsored bill" turns out to be a nuclear bill that turned out to be a tiny request for a study that was done annually anyway but which Bush had not pushed to publication - with the bill telling State to do the study.

I need more than great speech making ability.

And I need to trust him - so far he has given a race speech today that was needed before SC - rather than his playing the race card to gin the black vote higher by having campaign persons say "supporters" of Hillary were not being controlled properly - or Hillary was a racist - because those supporters said something that could be stretched and bent so as to see the phrase used as "sensistive to blacks".

Then there's the lie about no NAFYA meeting with Canada - until a few days later a memo surfaces that describes the meeting as one of don't worry because we are lying to the American voter and will change nothing via any end of treaty threat (of course that allows for changes to be agreed on with out any threat - but that was not what Obama had been saying). Then the Kudlow CNBC show I watched as Obama's chief economics adviser said that Kudlow should not worry about the cost of Onama's proposed social programs because "we do not expect them to pass" (check the video and see the fellows grin as he says this). Then there is a debate when Hillary says she will get a 60 day study/plan development group of the JCS to get us out of Iraq as quickly as possible - most likely in 2 years - to which Obama says that "that is the difference - with me you are certain I will have us out in 16 months". Of course Ms Powers of the Obama campaign a while kater tells an EU newspaper that the 16 months is not firm and that a plan will be developed once he is in office - the Hillary position that he dumped on in the debate.

Hillary has the smarts and grit to pull off the changes I want - Obama wants to change the atmosphere and refers to his working with the GOP - which brings us back to adding corporate tax cuts to get little bills co-sponsored.

I find I like and respect almost all of the Obama supports - and post the November election we will all be swimming with the same current - or against it if we lose. And of course we will all vote for whoever is the Dem nominee for Nov - although I will not do much more than that - but I will try to get those seniors that distrust Obama to at least stay home and not vote for McCain.

[butterfly77]

13. Stop listening to the pundits...

[monmouth]

3. You haven't lived until you've listened to a functioning alcoholic priest

who's up in the pulpit with a massive hangover and hasn't had breakfast yet...Ah, it's the damned altar boys fault. You want to hear some crazy, nasty, hateful stuff? Feh...

[CountAllVotes]

6. you got that right!

I've had it with the Catholic Church after my last experience.

I was very sick and went and saw "THE PRIEST" and told him that I feared I was going to die soon. He put his hand on my shoulder and said, "You have suffered long enough." That was the end of it (and obviously I have not died YET). :argh:

This guy here where I live is a real jerk. He had everyone praying for * awhile ago. "God Bless *" he had them all chanting. I chanted, "US OUT OF IRAQ" instead.

I have not been back in a very long time and have no plans to go back soon either.

:kick:

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. Obama gave a lofty speech to cover his ass, that's the only "truth"

to it.

[IndianaJones]

5. it wasn't that lofty. nt.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Well, it must have been Lofty, cause it went right over your head...

[havocmom]

8. FrenchieCat shoots and scores! The crowd goes wild!

:applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[keith the dem]

10. YEHHHH!!!!!

[butterfly77]

14. You can't handle the truth...

he was speaking from his heart,no nuance bull that some seem to love to hear..

[The_Casual_Observer]

17. Truth is he gave that speech to cover his ass & you bought it.

[butterfly77]

18. Yes, I am mesmerized...

[keith the dem]

9. There are too many people that profit from racial divisiveness

I forget which 19th century robber barron said that he didn't worry about the working classes rising up because he could turn one half of the working class against the other on a dime.

Obama's challenge to end the divisiveness is one of the biggest challenges to the power structure I have ever heard from a serious presidential candidate. This is the structure where the working class whites and blacks fight it out so the rich an consolidate their power.

It's no wonder that those in power want to stop him. I'm just sad that Hillary supporters (who I also like) are jumping on this bandwagon.

People are too quick to buy the BS of the upper class owned media on what is important. I'm simply amazed that people here are so quick to condemn Reverend Wright on a few statements over 30 years that could have been from our message board. (I know I've read worse here). Rev. Wright has an amazing history of service to his community and country and does not deserve this treatment. Obama showed integrity and honesty concerning him yesterday.

P.S. as a middle aged white male who is a lifetime UCC member, I also feel outraged on the treatment of a highly respected UCC pastor and "damn if you are going to tell me how to worship!" also!!

[butterfly77]

11. I was for Hillary until...

I started looking at some of the Hypocrisy....

[toys4kitty]

12. I think the problem lies within....

My deep suspicion is that people from both sides refuse to see the less desirable aspects of their favorite candidate because of their unwillingness to take a deep look at themselves.
This would require too many people to stop being led around on a leash and force-fed what to think, feel and how to react to everything that faces us as a society today. Taking the blinders off is a scary process. Learning to interpret what's going on around you takes high level critical thinking skills that so many have learned NOT to use (or we have been convinced that we aren't smart enough to rely on our critical thinking- (BushCo anyone?) We have become complacent as intelligent, rational beings and are too easily swayed by people with hidden agendas.
When people start to take responsibility for their OWN thoughts and their OWN opinions and can talk about them with conviction because it's what they know in their hearts to be true because of their own effort to understand -then we can look at our elected officials and criticize the timing of one of the greatest speeches ever given and look past the fact that this speech was more than a spiel by a senator competing for the highest slot... but as a human being who sees things broken and wants us all to look at it and fix it together.
NO ONE can look at this situation with Rev. Wright and objectively judge Obama because he has chosen to include this bright, passionate soul in his life. I don't know of anyone that doesn't have someone in their lives at some point that could be used to cast a dark shadow if you apply guilt by association.
We are doing ourselves, each other, our society, our country and this entire world a huge injustice by refusing to take the blinders off and acknowledging that we are no better or worse than any elected official- but we do have the power to decide who they really are - which is our responsibility to find out! We are not supposed to just sit in front of the tube and be told what to believe by people who are only telling you what makes them the most money.

It's time for the people to take back the power-
Both candidates have things we can all agree with and all disagree with and EITHER one would be hand over fist better than McCain....

[butterfly77]

15. The problem is that..

a lot of people aren't really looking at the issues, they are looking at the color of his skin and listening to the spin that the pundits put on what they are saying. Notice how everytime one of them makes a speech the pundits get on and tell us how we should look at them depending on where we live,color,economic status etc...

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. My dog would be hand over fist better than McCain... doesn't mean I would want her for president.

:silly: I "like" Hillary better than Obama and I don't like him at all nor do I trust him. And Rev. Wright is a "bright,passionate soul"? :wow: Is that what you meant?

[butterfly77]

23. Yes, wright is bright..

he sees what a lot of people are trying to pretend they don't and have been saying on Du for years. As for the passion,yes he does have passion and that is what caught your attention...No I don't agree with all of his comments I think a lot of the outrage has to do with his delivery and PASSION...

[toys4kitty]

25. Wow - I must have missed the part

where I was looking for angry people to continue being angry.
I did mean that Rev. Wright is a bright, passionate soul in Obama's life.
Thanks you so much for responding with a harsh stance against a candidate.
Me thinks one of us has misunderstood the tone of this thread -

:shrug:

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Yea, I am stupid and can't recognize a shuster when I see one because of bu$h.

:wtf:

[butterfly77]

19. Or maybe it could be something else?

[anamandujano]

21. Obama is a liar, HELLO!

The evidence is reaching critical mass. Spin yourselves into oblivion but the country is taking notice.

[butterfly77]

22. HELLO!

WHY CAN'T YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH,he answered what the Obama haters asked him he laid it all out and you don't like it. This is what they were doing to Hillary in the beginning you are damned if you do or don't..

[blues90]

24. All politicians are liars , always have been , always will be . nt