HRC's Scorched Earth Policy. I fear it and love it at the same time.

[Fluffdaddy]

I don't think BHO can win the big game. God help me for saying this, but I don't think enough whites "nation wide" will vote for a Black Man as the POTUS. they give lip service that race don't matter, but I fear when that 20% we need steps in that booth they well pull that lever for the white old guy.

I think Bill and Hill knows this also, but of cause they can not say it. This is keeping me up at nites, that we will have 4 more year of the GOP stocking the supreme court.

I willing to support HRC's Scorched Earth Policy if necessary and win using the super delegates . I don't think BHO or any non-white can win. As a nation we are not there..................almost, but not yet.

I also know using the super delegates will spit the party for years to come if we don't win the WH. Everyone loves a winner and all will be forgiven if HRC takes the big game. If she comes up short the Democratic party is fucked for years to come.


Scorched Earth Policy. Yes, I fear it and love it at the same time. But it may be necessary :(

Don't hate me.

[Stephanie]

1. But I DO hate you - and not just for your idiocy, poor spelling & overt racism.

But for the fact that you think it's cute.

*edit* Just noticed your DLC avatar. Hate you even MORE! :hi:

[Bonobo]

3. Are you Stephanie Miller?

Damn, you're a sharp tack, but I likes. I likes!

[Stephanie]

5. I'm not, but I actually went to college with Stephanie Miller

In Los Angeles. And I'm very proud of her. :hi:

[Bonobo]

9. Is that a fact? I think you are channeling her maybe then cause I got something there.

[Fluffdaddy]

4. Yes, my spelling and grammer could be better.

[Fluffdaddy]

7. How am I being Racist?

[NightWatcher]

2. your avatar speaks more than your post

[Cali_Democrat]

6. Your willing to support scorched earth that will tear the party apart?

Figures by your stupid DLC avatar. If Clinton does by some miracle get the nomination many progressives won't vote for her because of her scorched earth tactics. So essentially she'll be tearing apart the party for no reason and you support this?

[Fluffdaddy]

12. But BHO can't win. Both houses and the WH will be in the GOP hands again

You wish to live with that again?

[Cali_Democrat]

15. How is Hillary going to win if she turns off many dems because of her scorched earth tactics?

[DJ13]

16. But BHO can't win.

Says who, you and the GOP?

:rofl:

PS-
I also hate your DLC avatar.

It represents everything thats wrong with our party.

[Fluffdaddy]

21. The DLC won back both houses for us.......Deal with it .

[Exilednight]

23. Dean went against the DLC and employed the 50 state strategy which won back both houses of Congress.

[WolverineDG]

24. Now you're confusing your letters

the D*L*C didn't do squat in 2006. It was the D*N*C under Howard Dean that won back control of Congress.

dg

[CreekDog]

28. you have a great sense of humor!

no other sense but i digress...

:rofl:

[PatGund]

37. No....

The DNC under Howard Dean won back both houses.

The DLC continues to use the same "ignore most of the country in favour of a few large states" tactics that lost us those houses in the first place.

Though I'm sure the GOP would love to have the DLC in charge again. Good times for them.....

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. The DLC did shit

It is their neocon-collaborating influence that has turned many Dem politicians into neocon-toadies, voting more often for the neocon agenda than for the benefit of Americna citizens.

They are responsible for the JoeLiebermanization of the Democratic Party, which has alienated many loyal Democrats.

[GodlessBiker]

32. Says you.

[PoliticalAmazon]

41. Hillary Clinton cannot win. See my previous post.

Both houses are predicted to be a larger Democratic majority after the November elections.

Hillary Clinton can't win. The only way McCain will win is if HRC is the Dem candidate.

That's why Limbaugh et al. are telling Republicans to vote in the Dem primary for Hillary Clinton...they KNOW they can win against her in the general election.

[Strelnikov_]

44. And Clinton can?

She is an Electoral College train wreck waiting to happen.

[cooolandrew]

8. That is a non argument Obama din't get to be ahead by just minority votes.

[cooolandrew]

10. The african americans are the base of the party yeah steal their vote that'll work. I think NOT.

[Exilednight]

11. The scorched earth policy is a losing proposition.......

If Hillary wins she will alienate the left wing of the party with the DLC's neoconservative strategy of top down politics. Hillary might win a GE, but as all Clintons do, she will cost us the down ticket elections. Bill lost a 40 year Democratic majority of Congress when he employed the 17 state strategy which began the repug revolution which resulted in repugs capturing both houses of Congress.

If Hillary wins the nomination, then the DLC will have to cozy up with rethugs to get her elected. Most of the left wing will not vote for her.

[redqueen]

17. Extremely well said.

:thumbsup:

[Fluffdaddy]

18. I believe if the conservatives can come around and support McCain....the

Left can holdtheir nose and vote for HRC. Or some can be foolish and vote for Nader again

[Exilednight]

20. Or I can write in a true Democrat.

[papau]

35. union ticket of Clinton/Obama in any order needed to win -but Obama refuses to offer VP - so its H/O

[papau]

34. When Dem's in Congress refused to back Gay or Health reform, Congress was lost - nothing to do

with Bill

[burythehatchet]

13. A DLC avatar

:rofl:

You really are a fluffer aren't you? I love fluffers.

[DrFunkenstein]

14. There is Going To Be Massive Turnout of New Voters in November

And they are not going to turning out for McCain. There is a new generation of politics dawning. The train is coming. You don't need no ticket. You just get on board.

[death to the DLC]

22. no shit

when oh when will the establishment begin to acknowledge this? btw, that's a rhetorical question.

[PoliticalAmazon]

46. You're correct: New registered GOP voters to vote against Hillary

Not only would Hillary Clinton not get the votes of the majority of rightwingers and many liberals, but she would be the best voter-registration incentive the GOP every experienced. Rightwingers who had never bothered to vote before would come down out of the hills to register to vote if it meant they could vote against Hillary Clinton. And, they may so much enjoy kicking Hillary in the metaphorical kiester in the voting booth, they might show up for future elections to see if it is as much fun kicking other Democrats in their metaphorical kiesters in the voting booth.

Indeed, at this point the only way John McCain can win is if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party candidate.

Why do you think rightwinger forces like Limbaugh have urged Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton? Because they KNOW they can win against her as the Democratic candidate.

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. You're correct: New registered GOP voters to vote against Hillary

Not only would Hillary Clinton not get the votes of the majority of rightwingers and many liberals, but she would be the best voter-registration incentive the GOP every experienced. Rightwingers who had never bothered to vote before would come down out of the hills to register to vote if it meant they could vote against Hillary Clinton. And, they may so much enjoy kicking Hillary in the metaphorical kiester in the voting booth, they might show up for future elections to see if it is as much fun kicking other Democrats in their metaphorical kiesters in the voting booth.

Indeed, at this point the only way John McCain can win is if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party candidate.

Why do you think rightwinger forces like Limbaugh have urged Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton? Because they KNOW they can win against her as the Democratic candidate.

[mmonk]

19. The race baiting and double standards appear to be working.

Politicians can still use it in the US to change the course of elections through division. That's why the big concerted effort by the GOP and the media is starting to change some numbers. The big danger in the general election is democrats need the vote of minority groups if it is to stand a chance at winning. The longer things are allowed to continue in the present direction instead of issue oriented campaigns, the worse for the democrats in November.

[death to the DLC]

25. you're right

who exactly injected rev. wright into the discourse.

I mean, honestly, does anyone care wtf their best friend's, father's, mother's, etc. pastor thinks?

who gives a damn.

It was a hell of a ploy, and you're right, it seems to be working.

[hogwyld]

26. Hillary will kill the Democratic party

If she steals the nomination with SD's. The party will never be the force for change it has always been, instead, it will probably splinter into 2 distinct groups: The progressive wing, and the corporate (DLC) wing. Say hello to the fourth reich of GOP dominated congress and presidency. Thank you Hillary for all that you've done to sour our assured victory in November.

[Ysabel]

27. re: love / hate - scorched earth: you've got violence issues...

- get help...

[mkultra]

29. your voting for the wrong candidate

The GOP have spent years in expectation of a hillary run by bashing her preemptivley.

She has the highest hard negative numbers of any candidate that ran. She also had the highest hard positives as well. The problem is that the negatives can never be converted.


She can only pull from the indies that remain, and many of those people will go for McCain.

[Perry Logan]

30. You forget--the anti-Clinton folks have about as much credibility as Flat-earthers

(And I apologize to the Flat Earthers.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5120659

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5156352&mesg_id=5156412

Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4999545&mesg_id=4999545

[backscatter712]

31. *plonk*

Campaign strategy based on tearing human beings down is beneath contempt.

[death to the DLC]

33. but Karl is so proud of his little Goldwater Girl! eom

[papau]

36. High School political activity is so important - BTW - did Obama only deal in crack?

[death to the DLC]

39. you're right, it is important

I was a Democrat in high school, and you?

[papau]

42. I voted for Adlai - twice - before there were schools - Hillary sophomore year conversion to Dem

activist would seem as important as Obama getting off drugs.

[death to the DLC]

45. haven't you heard?

all Democrats do drugs. Your point?

[papau]

51. LOL - I get a rash when I am near weed - guess I am not qualified to be Dem nominee!

[Skidmore]

38. Further division and scorched earth is the last thing the nation can

bear following the disaster of the last decade.

I note you have a DLC avatar, and I have no respect for the DLC. Are you trying to imply that the DLC will inherit the party? Are you letting us know that if we don't fall in line, we will be pushed out for the DLC agenda?

[PoliticalAmazon]

40. Hillary Clinton cannot win the general election

Hillary Clinton cannot win the general election.

She is so thoroughly loathed by the majority of rightwingers, that they would rather vote for Satan than Hillary Clinton. In addition, her campaign tactics have alienated many Democrats who themselves would rather vote for Satan than Hillary Clinton.

But here is the important part.

Not only would she not get the votes of the majority of rightwingers and many liberals, but she would be the best voter-registration incentive the GOP every experienced. Rightwingers who had never bothered to vote before would come down out of the hills to register to vote if it meant they could vote against Hillary Clinton. And, they may so much enjoy kicking Hillary in the metaphorical kiester in the voting booth, they might show up for future elections to see if it is as much fun kicking other Democrats in their metaphorical kiesters in the voting booth.

Indeed, at this point the only way John McCain can win is if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic Party candidate.

Why do you think rightwinger forces like Limbaugh have urged Republicans to vote in the Democratic primary for Hillary Clinton? Because they KNOW they can win against her as the Democratic candidate.

[Armstead]

48. Ye of little faith

If the Democratic Party were not tearing itself apart at the moment, we'd be steamrolling over McCain.

This primary is becoming a bloodbath because of the Clinton's scoarched earth policy.

I believe that if the Democratic Party had coalesced around Obama before the primaries took such a negative turn, he could have easily gotten over the hurdler of his race. If it came up in the General it would be a matter of a popular moderate black guy against the racist GOP.

But instead, the Clinton's either encouraged or allowed race to be injected into the primaries, which has pitted factions of the party needlessly against each other.

If somehow Hillary does pull it off and gets into the White House, her brand of politics is sure to enmesh us into four more years of gridlock, and a revitalization of the GOP.

[PVnRT]

49. So, you don't care who in the party is thrown under the bus?

Glad to see you're all for unity this election cycle.

[Tom Rinaldo]

50. I've come to hope for a Clinton - Obama ticket

Unlike you I still think that Obama can win the General Election this time, but it is a gamble because Obama's relative inexperience could give many voters a socially acceptable excuse to not support him without having to admit that race is one of the reasons they may not be completely comfortable with him. If Obama serves as Vice President first however, all of that gets swept away and America will almost certainly elect it's first Black President 8 years from now, and we can have 16 years of Democratic control of the White House.