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Wed Mar-19-08 12:35 PM
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Question - Comparison between Robertson and Wright... |
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I have heard this comparison between Robertson and Wright and the double standard...
Granted, there are similarities...
1. the messages are repugnant.
2. Both blamed America for 9/11 (for different reasons, I will admit)
The one difference I see is that Robertson came out and apologized for the insensitive 9/11 attacks.
When can we expect the same from Wright?
or is that a double standard too?
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:36 PM
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1. Don't gorget Falwell & Hagee. Free pass for alla them. |
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:37 PM
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2. they have all had to come out and make public apologies for a variety of comments... has Wright? |
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Wed Mar-19-08 03:14 PM
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:46 PM
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3. Maybe Wright will eventally come out of hiding and apologize. |
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Nobody seems to be able to find the man.
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:49 PM
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4. Does any progressive dispute that America's foreign policy is the reasn |
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for the attacks of 9/11?
What's to apologize for? For what, making a cogent analysis?
Saying that that was the case doesn't mean we "deserved" it, or that it was appropriate or excusable. But why deny the obvious?
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:58 PM
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7. If we're to take Osama bin Laden |
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at his word, he was pissed there were American troops in Saudi Arabia "soiling the holy land". So what were we doing there? Were we occupying that land or were we invited there by the royal family to protect their asses and their assets? And don't even both throwing the Palestinean issue at me, bin Laden was very, very late to that party and never said a word about them until years later. His beef was Saudi Arabia.
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Wed Mar-19-08 01:05 PM
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8. We were bombing Iraq on a daily basis from 1991 until today |
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Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 01:07 PM by Cali_Democrat
The troops in Saudi Arabia did anger many in the muslim world believe it or not. We were the main perpetrators of the sanctions on Iraq which killed hundreds of thousands of children. We also protected the corrupt and undemocratic Saudi regime and that made them even more mad. Not to mention harassing middle eastern shipping routes with our navy and on and on. How would we react if a foreign country had their forces in our neck of the woods? We would be pretty pissed off.
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Wed Mar-19-08 01:28 PM
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9. If our troops are there at the |
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invitation of the royal family, let Osama take it up with them. I don't care how pissed off he and his buddies are. I have no reason to believe they (Saudis) weren't pissed about us in their country - all I'm saying is that we didn't invade Saudi Arabia and were not occupying them. Let them take it up with the royal family.
Take up the issue with sanctions against Iraq with the UN. Look, I'm not blind to the faults of this country and I'm fighting for better leadership any way I can. But I'll be damned before I'll beat my breast about how we're the cause of all the world's evils. We're often the first country to get aid to victims of natural disasters. We have hundreds/thousands coming into this country legally and illegally every day looking for the same better life that my grandparents were looking for.
Probably the least offensive thing that Rev Wright had to say was regarding the black experience in America. He was right about that and if had just stuck with that message, I probably wouldn't think anything bad about him. But when he blames us and our policies for 9/11, I condemn him the same way I condemn Falwell/Robertson for the same thing. I also think his blaming Israel for the problems in the mid-East is shortsighted and bigoted. I'm glad Sen Obama condemned that.
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Wed Mar-19-08 01:38 PM
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10. It's not that we are responsible for the world's evils. |
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It's more that behavior has consequences. Those are two different ideas.
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:18 PM
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11. I'm sorry, I don't understand your point |
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Are you saying we should have turned the royal family in SA down because some of their citizens wouldn't like that we are there? We were INVITED there.
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:27 PM
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12. You don't understand that behavior has consequences? |
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Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:27 PM by sfexpat2000
Wow.
Lots of governments ask the US to do many things. It's up to our government to evaluate the whole situation, not just what the ruling family, or junta or dictator claims.
It's up to our government to make the best possible decisions for us, the people. Not just for their cronies in, say, the defense industry.
Hatred for America is at an all time high right now because of Bush's policies. I have no idea why we haven't been attacked again.
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:48 PM
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14. Of course I understand that |
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Don't be dense. But how about distributing some of that responsibility to the people that attacked us. For the mullahs who spend all day in the madrassas teaching children we are the devil and to hate America. You can blame the chimp all you want for our troubles. It's simplistic and childish but go ahead and knock yourself out.
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:54 PM
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17. It's not my job to go on a blame-o-rama but to see how |
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Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:54 PM by sfexpat2000
the things under my own control can be better managed.
If you need to distribute blame in ratios, well, good luck to you. It's a useless activity.
The mullahs bear zero responsibility for the behavior of the American government. And I've said nothing about Junior at all.
Maybe your way to peace and prosperity is to deal blame out. Good luck with that. It's an impotent gesture although it seems to satisfy the nationalist crowd.
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:51 PM
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5. The difference is that Wright was right |
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Our middle east policy caused a backlash and we payed the price on september 11th. The chickens came home to roost.
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Wed Mar-19-08 12:53 PM
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6. 9/11 WAS Blowback for our foreign policy. Are you that uninformed? Are you a Democrat? |
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:50 PM
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16. Legions of foreign policy experts have said the same thing... |
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But they were white. So it's OK.
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:32 PM
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13. I hate Robertson too but Robertson never made anti-Semite rantings |
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Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 02:35 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Wed Mar-19-08 02:49 PM
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The messages or that Robertson apologized?
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