ABC News: "Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor"

[Bluebear]

For your discussion pleasure...

=====

In Speech, Obama Contradicted More Than a Year of Denials About His Knowledge of Rev. Wright's Sermons

By BRIAN ROSS and AVNI PATEL
March 19, 2008

Buried in his eloquent, highly praised speech on America's racial divide, Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright's controversial sermons.

Similarly, Obama also has only recently given a much fuller accounting of his relationship with indicted political fixer Antoin "Tony" Rezko, a longtime friend, who his campaign once described as just one of "thousands of donors."

Until yesterday, Obama said the only thing controversial he knew about Rev. Wright was his stand on issues relating to Africa, abortion and gay marriage. "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial," Obama said at a community meeting in Nelsonville, Ohio, earlier this month. "He has said some things that are considered controversial because he's considered that part of his social gospel; so he was one of the leaders in calling for divestment from South Africa and some other issues like that," Obama said on March 2.

His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.....


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4480868&page=1

[bluestateguy]

1. Brian Ross said there were no names of significance in the DC's Madam's black book

That lazy fucker didn't do his job. There was only a US Senator on the list, dumbshit!

[NJmaverick]

2. yawn

[Bluebear]

4. Now that's eloquent

:silly:

[NJmaverick]

5. Thank you

I thought it was an appropriate response

[ihavenobias]

55. What influence will Wright have on an Obama presidency?

That's the fundamental question, and we all know the answer (HINT: It won't, not in a negative way)

Obama will not push for bills that hurt White America or American in general, etc.

By contrast, McCain's religious nuts want more war in the middle east to hasten the rapture not to mention anti-choice, anti-gay legislation, and McCain WILL push for things related to those items, to get support from the religious right and also because more wars have other benefits related to profit and imperialism.

That is the difference, and it's enormous.

[beachmom]

3. Controversial is different from the inflammatory remarks shown on YouTube.

There was no contradiction, ABC.

[screembloodymurder]

6. So fucking what?

Talk about a double standard.

[tishaLA]

7. I'm just not seeing a contradiction

So he heard remarks that "could be considered" controversial in church, but he doesn't think that his church is particularly controversial. The RW--and, I am finding recently, many people who call themselves progressives--would think that nearly any Black church is controversial, especially those that espouse liberation theology. Chicagoans Believe Reports Misrepresent Church
A Closer Look at Black Liberation THeology

[DJ13]

8. Hey Brian, run out of child predators?

:rofl:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. get under the gd'damn O bus Brian Ross!!

[Mags]

38. he's dead to BO folks. It's over for him. Splat!!!

[niyad]

9. glad to see that somebody else saw the contradictions. of course, his supporters

are going to be outraged that some will point out that "the speech" wasn't exactly THE ultimate political speech ever given.

[papau]

22. As I took notes I saw the reversals - but Obama does give you a fine speech - and I'm

getting used to his lying.

The race speech needed to be given before SC - but he was too busy playing the race card to gin up the split of votes to 80%-campaign persons saying "supporters" of Hillary were not being controlled properly - or Hillary was a racist - because those supporters said something that could be stretched and bent so as to see the phrase used as "sensistive to blacks".

Then there's the lie about no NAFYA meeting with Canada - until a few days later a memo surfaces that describes the meeting as one of don't worry because we are lying to the American voter and will change nothing via any end of treaty threat (of course that allows for changes to be agreed on with out any threat - but that was not what Obama had been saying). Then the Kudlow CNBC show I watched as Obama's chief economics adviser said that Kudlow should not worry about the cost of Onama's proposed social programs because "we do not expect them to pass" (check the video and see the fellows grin as he says this). Then there is a debate when Hillary says she will get a 60 day study/plan development group of the JCS to get us out of Iraq as quickly as possible - most likely in 2 years - to which Obama says that "that is the difference - with me you are certain I will have us out in 16 months". Of course Ms Powers of the Obama campaign a while kater tells an EU newspaper that the 16 months is not firm and that a plan will be developed once he is in office - the Hillary position that he dumped on in the debate.

[niyad]

24. and jeremy scahill's comments on democracy now week before last about obama's plans

for iraq. most enlightening.

[Qutzupalotl]

10. This is not a contradiction.

Was he in church when the pastor said "God damn America"? NO.

Has he heard other controversial remarks? YES.

Sheesh.

[Straight Shooter]

11. That's what happens when a person goes on and on and on explaining themselves

Something about a tangled web and all that ...

edit for clarity (maybe)

[ORDem]

12. Wow! Such in-depth analysis from Ross (as usual). n/t

:eyes:

[burythehatchet]

13. there are some people who eventually "get it"

and others who never will. Good luck to you.

[Bluebear]

15. Thank you, whaetever that means :)

[rodeodance]

20. Well, I

sure get this.


http://bp3.blogger.com/_vH5f59Og-Sc/Rsk8dPZMnAI/AAAAAAAAA7g/JRs1kzPFYOU/s320/rove+obama.jpg

[Grown2Hate]

26. And this?

Above: An equally IRRELEVANT picture. I sure we'll all "get it". :eyes:

[rodeodance]

28. nah--turdblossem gets the high points

[Grown2Hate]

32. OOH!

Do you have a GOP "Evil - Not So Evil" scorecard?! I've been looking for one. I'm curious where Nixon lands. Top 10? Settle a bet for me. ;)

[rodeodance]

39. either BO or

his friend KKK should be able to get one for you.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_vH5f59Og-Sc/Rsk8dPZMnAI/AAAAAAAAA7g/JRs1kzPFYOU/s320/rove+obama.jpg

[Popol Vuh]

48. Don't forget these

[Grown2Hate]

36. And for the record...

I'm on record as consistently saying I have NOTHING against Hillary OR Obama (well, nothing that will prevent me from supporting either in the GE). I was posting that counter-picture as a way of basically saying, "Ooh, you found two politicians passing by each other. Color me surprised. Here, have another". :)

[rodeodance]

40. gotcha

[Danger Mouse]

14. there was no 'contradiction.'

he said he was there for remarks that could be SEEN as controversial.
note: a lot of progressive platforms are 'controversial' to joe six pack. discussing racism is 'controversial' to joe six pack.

[Bluebear]

17. 'discussing racism is 'controversial' to joe six pack.'

Agreed there. Anything that makes them uncomfortable is 'controversial'.

[Danger Mouse]

27. exactly. one criticism of obama that i DO have is he tends to be TOO vague in addressing some things

i don't see a contradiction in what he's saying, but that's because i can realize what he's trying to say.
however, if he's not clear, he leaves himself vulnerable. i realize that it's pretty typical politician speak, though.

[Prick]

47. Yea - I feel Better About Being White Now

.... thanks to Obama's speech. He said it's OK. Now I can sleep at night.

[Prick]

50. "Them" Infidels

Why don't they learn to cipher, join the intelligentsia, and become as good as us ?

[Bluebear]

54. Don't understand a word of what you are trying to say

[Danger Mouse]

57. we need a trollese to english translation.

:hi:

[Bluebear]

60. ...

:spray:

[Danger Mouse]

61. may i humbly submit that the poster in question..

chose his username very well?

[donheld]

63. I thought you'd understand "prick" very well

:evilgrin:

[MethuenProgressive]

18. The DUbamas were to busy applauding to listen.

Besides, "it's not what he says.. it's the way he says it!"

[theredpen]

42. *PLONK*

[Bluebear]

45. PLONK me too, I wish you knew how irritating that's getting :)

[theredpen]

56. Not as irritating as the plonkees

:D

[Usrename]

19. What's there to discuss?

I don't see any contradictions at all. These folks are idiots. Is there more to talk about?

[Grown2Hate]

30. Apparently they don't know the meaning of the word...

"contradiction". Here, I'll help:

con·tra·dic·tion /ˌkɒntrəˈdɪkʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the act of contradicting; gainsaying or opposition.
2. assertion of the contrary or opposite; denial.
3. a statement or proposition that contradicts or denies another or itself and is logically incongruous.
4. direct opposition between things compared; inconsistency.
5. a contradictory act, fact, etc.

Where exactly is saying you HAVE heard some controversial sermons "contradictory" to saying you NEVER heard the man say "God Damn America", or "America started AIDS"? :shrug: Hope the dictionary definition above helps some of you at ABC, though! :)

[VolcanoJen]

21. Has Brian Ross ever written about, I don't know, a contradiction that the *current* President made?

I do find it rather fascinating that after seven years of sleeping on the job, the more-wingnut press corps (ABC) suddenly finds itself all anew and vigorous and panting to go after Barack Obama.

And for the Clintonistas in the crowd... if you think ABC are the "good guys," don't forget that 9/11 movie where they tried to lay the entire thing at Bill Clinton's feet. I fought these bastards then, too.

[Texas Hill Country]

23. beatiful doubletalk. He is an amazing orator, but he did "revise" some of his statements from b4.

[niyad]

25. having heard his evasive comments on KO friday night, and jonathan alter's comments

afterwards, was waiting for this speech. he had to do some fancy footwork.

[Prick]

53. Do you Think Obama Took Lessons from Bill ?

Boy that's a scary thought and would piss-off Hillary to no end. She won't stand for no 2-timing husband again, not after Monica. I hope he didn't give any lessons in 'cigarsmanship' :puke:

[Cooley Hurd]

29. I'm sorry, Bluebear, but your source is HIGHLY questionable...

Brian Ross and ABC News in general has proven its unreliability in the past few years.:thumbsdown:

[Bluebear]

49. Not a problem, I am not familiar with Ross

[Cooley Hurd]

52. That's cool. We mustn't forget what ABC did to President Clinton...

...with their mockumentary "The Path to 9/11.":hi:

[rodeodance]

31. nothing goes away and a good speech will not make the his problems go away

[DrFunkenstein]

33. You Forgot To Mention Donnie McClurkin!!

How could you let a golden opportunity like this get past you!!!

You're slipping these days, Bluebear!

[Yes We Did]

34. That is not true at all.

They spoke about all that last night on MSNBC.

ABC is just another repug channel; remember the 911 docu-drama?

[Major Hogwash]

35. Has anyone else noticed - they can't say anything good about Hillary, so they bash Obama?

Amazing isn't it.

Won't sell much soap this way.

[rodeodance]

37. simply

amazing


http://bp3.blogger.com/_vH5f59Og-Sc/Rsk8dPZMnAI/AAAAAAAAA7g/JRs1kzPFYOU/s320/rove+obama.jpg

[Mags]

43. hope you are ready to get the thrashing of your life.

you can't go against the saint unless you get it. Hang tough

[Life Long Dem]

59. Theres a big difference in photos posted here from this one.

Obama is not with Rove, but the Clinton's are with the Bush's in the photos.

The photo,

Rove: "oh sorry Obama I didn't see you and bumped into you."

Obama: no problem, now get out of my way."

Rove: "but i need this photo in case we need to smear you"

[depakid]

41. Obama's honeymoon with the corporate media is over

It's going to be ugly from here on out....

[Prick]

44. Yep - Sure Will

1st Fox News, then ABC, what could be next - a CNN story on his real estate deals (God forbid !).

[BeyondGeography]

46. To: Brian Ross, From: Most of the country

Who gives a shit?

[Sulawesi]

51. Those are not hard contradictions at all. Just like at DU, people write headlines to get web hits...

[Spiffarino]

58. Does Apple = Orange, Brian Ross?

From the story:

His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright's sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.....

Yes dipfuck, that is a different story. Since when does "controversial" mean "anti-US?"

For a person running for the presidency of the United States, an anti-America comment would be controversial. But a controversial comment isn't by definition anti-America.

Brian Ross assumes we are all totally stupid, but I think he would be more likely to see a perfect example in his own mirror.

[moobu2]

62. Barack speaks with a forked tongue