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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:34 PM
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Obama says he has been "shaken up" by Wright scandal ... link
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:34 PM by Alhena
Tells Anderson Cooper his former pastor’s comments “have gotten me back into remembering that the odds of me getting elected have always been lower than than some of the other conventional candidates.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/19/obama-360%c2%ba


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:36 PM
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1. "Conventional Candidate".......how sad that he has to say that......
acknowledging that he is not part of the status quo in the sense that he has to do better than all of the rest of 'em put together.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:39 PM
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3. Yes, it is sad, however...
I have to believe that his being so unconventional is what is going to draw people to the polls for him.

We need someone to break the mold and shake this country up. No other candidate will be able to fix what ails this nation. In fact, I doubt any other would really give it a try.
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Seeker30 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:38 PM
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2. Why does he continually play the race card?
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:40 PM
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4. Give me a break. Is that all you ever see?
It really is sad. I never knew so many democrats shared the same narrow minded views as the republicans.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:46 PM
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5. I don't think even they knew......
And for most, they still don't know how narrown minded and short sighted they truly are.

They'll figure it all out when they have to watch President McCain talking to them and calling them his friends for four long years. :(
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:51 PM
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9. don't feed the trolls.
:hi:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:57 PM
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16. Agreed. Let their threads sink too.
I'm not feeding Ignored.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM
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6. why won't you return my calls?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM by Teaser
don't be such a selfish lover.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM
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7. He can't stop himself. It's ingrained and has served him well thus far.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:49 PM by anamandujano
It's nauseating.

edit to add--This is the Wright mind set. Blame everything on race relations.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:53 PM
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13. Funny how some remember things..
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 04:54 PM by stillcool47

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:10 PM
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18. Everybody apologized for the imagined slights. These "slights" were
fabricated by the Obama campaign into racial slurs out of words in everyday usage. Then we hear Wright spewing unequivocally racist language and every bot here rationalizes it away.

Those "volunteers" could have easily been Obama plants so he could carry out his plan to smear Hillary with dirty tactics, one of the cornerstones of his "clean" campaign. He knew the photo existed, it had already been printed in the Enquirer. We see plants here every day saying they have now switched to Obama because Hillary has finally crossed the line. Everyone knows those threads are pure crap.

It would be funny, if it weren't so pathetic, that Obamatrons continue to claim that Obama is not responsible for Wright's words, but hold Hillary responsible for people she most likely has not even met.

Did Obama ever apologize to Hillary for Jesse Jackson Jr's comments re Katrina?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01/obama_campaign_cochair_questions_hillarys_tears.php

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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:20 PM
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20. Unfortunately I don't recall...
seeing any of the articles that cite the facts you believe are in evidence. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic that Clinton-ites take no responsibility for the smears they avidly participate in.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:28 PM
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26. Bama smeared himself and the chickens are coming home to roost.
Don't believe everything you read.

You'll soon be quoting that one back to me.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:51 PM
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10. is hate all that you have?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:52 PM
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12. he keeps getting dealt it...
from you and yours. Go Fish.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:50 PM
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8. Obama's not perfect and we knew that..
It's the m$$$m that's the scourge on America..not the Pastor White.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:52 PM
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11. I see , if he loses it's because he's Black.


weak
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:56 PM
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14. No, if he were to lose, it will because of the many bigots that still reside in this country
and the fact that some establishment politicos and their media would use the ignorance of those bigots to get what they want at any price....including perpetuating Rush Limbaugh's words as being legitimate.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:57 PM
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15. same thing
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:08 PM
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17. You said it, I didn't.......
you made it be about him.

I'm making it be about the bigots, the faux patriots, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity.

But hey, next it will be Hillary's turn, then the Gay Community, then the right to choose, then the right to go to war again for nothing.

Cause I'm starting to personally feel that we should just all vote for McCain, since that is what the Right really wants from us....and it looks like more and more everyday, that what we like to do is to worry about what these folks will think more than what we think.

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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:16 PM
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19. Yup, and if he loses to McCain, same. When he can't get NAFTA
renegotiated or health care (not that he has plans to try either), or win the war on terrorism, same.

It's obvious that he takes no personal responsibility for anything. It's alway the bad guy racists, or HILLARY!!!!!!!
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:25 PM
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21. "conventional candidates" doesn't mean black. Damn, hasn't anyone
paid the least bit of attention to what he's been saying from the very beginning? He doesn't want to be "politics as usual".

Here's the quote from CNN:

"If I was just running the textbook campaign– doing the conventional thing, I probably wasn't going to win because Senator Clinton was going to be much more capable of doing that than I would be," he said. "We had tremendous success– and I think we were starting to get a little comfortable and conventional right before Texas and Ohio."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/19/obama-wright-controversy-has-shaken-me-up/

Those whose first thought upon hearing "conventional candidate" was the race card, need to check yourselves and try to figure out where your knee-jerk reactions come from.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:30 PM
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22. Obama is actually at his best when he's facing formidable odds.
When he lost his run for Congress, he went back to the Illinois Senate, reexamined himself, then came back and won a seat on the U.S. Senate.

When he got beat in New Hampshire, he came back, regrouped his campaign, and won Super Tuesday.

When the Wright scandal came on the news and FAUX Noise tape-looped Rev. Wright saying "God damn America", Obama took the blow, then came back with the most brilliant and greatest speech America has seen since Martin Luther King Jr. said "I have a dream!"

Obama knows how to come back from adversity. When things line up against him, that's when he really blows us away.
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LordshipLadyship Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:01 PM
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23. Poor fellow
Shaken up,huh? How in the hell is he going to withstand the pressures of the presidency if that shook him up?

Now it suddenly occurs to him he is black, so the odds are lower? What happened to his audacity of hope?

a) I don't love Hilary

b) I am not racist, and I grew up admiring the people and events during the civil rights era, which goes on, and should go on. By no means is MLK's dream fulfilled.
c) I'm not a troll

d) Go right ahead and block me I don't give a damn. I'm tired of seeing anyone who disagrees with Obama and what he does and has done be condemned and considered stupid. I was born into a democratic family and I remained a democrat. I am a LIBERAL, not a progressive, I am a proud liberal.

I know this country is in one of the worse situations it ever has been in. We have a president who is a sociopathic idiot and a vice president who says "So?" to the fact that thousands died for nothing but oil, and finally americans are waking up to this. WAKING up is what we have to do before we elect someone. Not on "hope" and "faith" as a matter of fact ideally religion shouldn't come into it. Religion is often an excuse to divide, and hate. I don't give a tinker's damn how many whites are in that church. I care that Obama picked that man. Just because you throw out a few real pearls doesn't rule out that your necklace is paste. Why did it take Obama's rear end being on fire with this issue for him to make his speech? Martin Luther King had a dream too. He didn't need to attain a high title to make it happen.

Do I want to see a black president? Damn right I do. And a female.
Just not this man. No matter how much you admire a person, and look up to them, you don't keep doing this when they are clearly a person of hatred. You walk away COMPLETELY. Obama isn't. I did. My whole dyfunctional family were racists of varying decrees. I turned my back on them as an adult whenever they mentioned it. I was Catholic and I turned my back on them when they started covering up for priests who abused kids. I never ran for a presidency. It was common sense.

Obama is a politician same as Hilary, not the answer to our prayers. Hope is fine, but hope isn't going to save our country. Wishing don't make it so. People embraced Bush as some kind of hero and wouldn't even hear of criticism of him. Now its Obama. Love the man, fine. But don't close your eyes and ears at facts that come out about him, or make excuses because Hilary did this and Hilary did that. This man supports whatever will put him further to power. As politicians do. As Hilary did. And in this process, as Bush did, he LIES. I don't want to elect a saint. I want to elect the right person.
Poor fellow. Go home. You're out of your league if you're telling the truth, and if you aren't you're lying again, for a purpose.
I KNOW we all are desperate, but don't make another mistake and elect an ideal, and not a man. Or woman. For God's sake don't put the hatred further by calling other DU'ers names because they have a different opinion than yours. Move beyond hatred. I won't vote for Obama unless I have no choice, but I don't hate him or his race, I just am tired of his being painted as some hero from a comic book here to save the day. This is reality. Admire him, but don't worship him. Allow others to have opinions. Be respectful if they do. It just upsets me, this mob mentality coming from people who want Obama. Sure there are some people like that about Hilary, but frankly its something about the Obama crowd who seem to go full tilt boogie crazy over this man. I grew up during the time of Camelot and I never even saw this kind of mania for Kennedy, let alone Obama or Hilary. I mean that.

Christ, we never have been (in my memory) in so DEEP in hell as we are now with what Bush and his pals have done to this country. TORTURE, for crying out loud. WAR going on and on and on, and not a single dead body to be seen. More dead, gee too bad, what's Britney Spears and Paris Hilton doing now? TORTURE. When did we become Nazis? What's next, we're all expected to seig heil Obama or Hilary or ANY politician. WAKE UP. Hilary is not the best, but at least we know what we'll get, and we can't say that for Obama.
Lastly, it disgusts me that suddenly some put down Murtha because he made a choice.

So go ahead, be haters, call me names. If I just made one person think, it'll be worth it. I just couldn't see this go on and on and not speak out. Isn't agreeing to disagree part of what being liberal is, part of what makes us democrats?
Thanks for reading.
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lachattefolle Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:26 PM
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25. Well said! n/t
:bounce:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:20 PM
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24. The guy is ahead in delegates and has energized our party like no other in a
very long time and he's whining about this??? He needs to let it go now and move on to the next primary. If he is truly shaken up about this, I wonder whether Obama can really take the heat that comes with being president of the U.S.A.
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