Is Hillary a "Beacon of Hope" for American Females who don't do "Girls Gone Wild?"

[KoKo]

All the "Mainstream Corporate Media" Females see today...is all about "Stipping, Bumping and Grinding, Taking it All Off and Prostituting Yourself for a living amongst Elected Politico's."

This is the antithesis of what the "Women's Movement in the 60's/70's was about.

THERE IS NO ONE FROM THOSE YEARS...who raised our Daughters to be PROSTITUTES TO WALL STREET or POLITICS!

Does anyone remember Marlo Thomas and "Free to be You and Me" that taught a Generation of Young Women what your "self worth" was all about?

I guess Marlo and all us MOMS were not successful...when MONEY and MTV and OTHER Cable Channels called them to be PROSTITUTES for MEDIA or for MEN IN POWER.

We need to have a National Dialog about what "Girls Gone Wild" REALLY MEANS ...to American Culture...and it's as important as what it means to Politicians and Wall Street.com.

If our Daughters and other female family memebers think "CELEBRITY AND STRIPPING" is the Way to Go...to have a career...because you get in a MOVIE...and your FAME from that...what are we telling the young Females of America?

I would not want to raise my daughter to be a Whore for the RICH AND FAMOUS? Would You? Even if she brought home money that allowed you, her parents, to live a life style that was beyond your means?

Hillary is a BRIGHT/STRONG Personality for YOUNG FEMALES OF AMERICA! She has SURVIVED IT ALL..and it's through her Education and her Experience with the WORST RW MALES could throw at her! She survived Mellon-Scaife and Falwell's ATTACTS... SHE IS A FIGHTER...and is very attractive and well spoken. That appeals to those looking for an "ALTERNATIVE!"

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. ...

[Starbucks Anarchist]

11. Damn, you beat me to it.

[JVS]

15. I don't get it. PM me

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. Here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x5906664

[bunnies]

46. LMAO.

Holy shit. I almost just wet myself. :rofl:

[Window]

52. OMG!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[tammywammy]

65. LMAO

I totally forgot about that thread. :rofl:

[Shakespeare]

25. Oh fuck.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:thumbsup:

[Window]

51. LMAO! Good one.

:rofl:

[KittyWampus]

2. Hillary, in her lust for power, joined the Power Cult headed by Doug Coe. That is supposed to be an

ideal?

Fascism and Theocracy to seize and control power?

[KoKo]

5. Hillary didn't Prostitute herself..........and that's saying A LOT! n/t

[redqueen]

6. You opened the door to this, so I'm going to step right on through...

do you recall what she said about one of the women her husband chose to screw around with? She called her "trash".

[Skidmore]

20. She said that?

Now I truly have no respect for her. I hate it when women do that. Getting mad at the other woman and degrading her when the dog sitting next to you is whimpering and crying puppy tears. I don't get why women react this way.

Personally, I have a door to my house and it swings outward.

[JVS]

21. Both men and women do that and it's easy to figure out why.

Blaming the outsider allows the cheater and the cheatee to maintain the myth that they have a functioning relationship, if only the interloper would leave. It's the only way to go back to "how it was before this happned"

[redqueen]

33. Now I'm wondering... it's a quote attributed to her by someone named Kuiper...

I remember hearing this way more often than I cared to... the quote: "These women are all trash. Nobody’s going to believe them."

As for who Kuiper is or how reliable she is... I'm not sure.

[redqueen]

3. I'm not sure what this has to do with Hillary...

and I'm all for adult women having the freedom to do as they please with their bodies.

But I'm all for holding parents accountable for teaching their children about self worth and the awful, shallow meaninglessness of appearance as well as the sorry industry built up around the worship of the same.

[bunnies]

4. Self worth?

Ugh. I'm not even even going to touch this.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. ...

[Road Scholar]

8. Well, if we weren't trying to pick a president here, I think Hillary

might teach our daughters a few things, but I think I would pass for her to train my daughter.

[KoKo]

10. She has been a "Role Model"...she never was a "Doormat."

When Bill did "that thang" with Monica...she held herself UP and MOVED ON! She is a FIGHTER. And in a world of Spitzer's and the rest...she's shown her VALUES...will always hold her up ...and she will continue on...trying to make America Better and providing HEALTH CARE for ALL!

Remember "Health Care for AMERICA" was why she was TRASHED by the RW and even her own HUSBAND!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. HRC message to girls: when your husband screws bimbos, smile and bear it

not the message I want for my daughter.

[KittyWampus]

24. Hillary didn't smile & bear it. She helped the team that concentrated on destroying the other women

[KoKo]

27. NO! Message is...I have My Life/My Degree's and I can CARRY ON ...with My Own Agenda!

That's what Hillary did. She had her OWN CREDENTIALS...and unlike Laura Bush...and Cindy McCain...she WENT ON...with HER OWN AGENDA to the US SENATE!

That's what all Young Girls want to see as a Role Model. If your "Partner SCREWS UP ...you need to have CREDENTIALS through EDUCATION and SELF AWARENESS/PRIDE..to get you through it. And...to know how to have learned to have "means on your own" to LIVE.

ALL FEMALES ...no matter how little education or resources they have...should try to use Hillary as an Example! Because frankly Bill behaved like a seedy/scum when he did that "cigar thing" with Monica.

Hillary stood above that...but what does it say about Bill and Elliot Spitzer with their GREAT Educations from Prestigious Schools that they end up like RW Fundie Repugs..."goin down and dirty" with the Prostitutes and "willing females" who open their vagina's for FAME...and FORTUNE $$$$$$$$$$'s~

Hillary Focused on "What she wanted to do to SERVE AMERICA" while the "Alpha Males" like Spitzer and Bill went after "easy stuff." In Bill's instance it was FREE (with RW Ties) from Monica...in Spitzer's experience...he "paid for High Diamonds."

That's what it's about. Hillary held true to her roots. I might not like her...but I do RESPECT HER!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. Then why'd she stick with Bill?

If she had her own credentials?

[Road Scholar]

32. To run for president, I'm sure. She never could have otherwise.

:shrug: :shrug:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

36. Her msg to my daughter - stay in a loveless marriage while Bill humilates me

I don't want my daughter to think marriage is a business arrangement,
or that its ok for her husband to be sleeping around.

That isn't love, that isn't respect.

[KoKo]

62. Has she done more than Laura Bush? Did she give up when Bill "cigared Monica?"

No...she stayed true to "herself." We don't know what holds people together in a marriage as opposed to those who pull apart. But, Hillary makes "lemonade out of lemons." I think that shows courage and guts. :shrug: just saying..

[XemaSab]

60. I'm saying it's not so feminist to rip on Pickles and Cindy.

Pickles has an MLS and taught school for a few years; Cindy has a masters in Special Education, has written a book about special ed, has taught special ed, and founded her own charity. One could make a compelling argument that John McCain would be NOWHERE without her.

Both of them are strong women in their own right, but women who have made bad choices.

How is that different than Hillary? :shrug:

[bunnies]

14. Wrong.

Any woman that allows their husband to cheat on them IS a doormat.

What are these values you speak of? Allowing yourself to be shat on 1950's style? Good little wife. Know your place. Stand by your man. FUCK that.

[Hepburn]

16. OMG.........

....a role model for what??? Hanging on to a cheating husband solely for his coattails??

:puke:

[JVS]

17. Hey, she got a senate seat out of it and maybe a presidential nomination or even presidency

Women can and should be proud.

[Road Scholar]

35. Even if they DO ride hubby's coattails.

[Road Scholar]

34. Eggggzactly!

[NeedleCast]

31. Pretty sure she was the definition of doormat

in that particular incident. She didn't "move on," she accepted Bill's cheating with hardly a comment. That's her choice if it's how she chooses to deal with the situation, but implying that she stood up for herself in that situation is...ridiculous. What message does that send? Ladies, it's okay if your man has an affair as long as he's rich and powerful!

[Skidmore]

9. Well, all those "Girls gone Wild" came from somewhere.

I don't think Hillary is a beacon of hope for females. We females boomers raised these young women (mothers and granddaughters alike). Do we have no responsibility in this? I know how I raised my daughter and how she is raising hers. We are educated females who have been working mothers and we can do both and do it well. It starts at home and with setting limits. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that too many of us can't live without luxury goods, fancy clothes, cars, appliances, and doodads so we need to earn much more. Or, we go into debt and have to work off our overindulgences or seek easy money elsewhere (e.g. playing the lottery or by illegal mean). What needs to happen is America is a radical shift on many levels--a redefining of the American dream and what it means to be a person in this society. "Girls gone Wild" is a symptom of a bigger problem. What is our culture selling and what have we been buying? It starts with us.

[KoKo]

64. What is our culture selling and what have we been buying? It starts with us.

Agree!

[NJSecularist]

12. This should be interesting.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[K Gardner]

18. Both my daughters (quite apart from my influence) find Hillary contemptable. I am proud of my

daughters. Hillary is no role model as she is today.

[skater314159]

41. Too true. nt

[melody]

22. I'm an educated, middle-aged, middle class woman and I'm for Obama

I'd love to see a female President one day -- just not this one, unless the only other possibility is McCain.

[PoliticalAmazon]

23. "Beacon of Hope"? HA! "Beacon of anger and bitterness"? Yep.

Her anger, bitterness, and unethical behavior are beacons of the worst sort.

[skater314159]

40. Yeh,

she has done more to hurt real women who aspire to real leadership positions.

Thanks a whole lot Hillary. :sarcasm:

[Berry Cool]

26. Doesn't appeal to me.

I'm on board with you when it comes to being against the "Girls Gone Wild" school of raising young women.

But to some extent I think Hillary has sold herself down the river for power, and therefore isn't as great an alternative role model as she could be.

She hasn't sold her body, but she's sold other things that are just as important.

[leftstreet]

28. What is it exactly that HRC has "survived?"

I don't get all this "fighter" talk. She didn't fight for single payer healthcare. She didn't fight to end the Iraq war. She didn't fight against NAFTA.

The only "fight" she's fought is the RW smear machine that benefited from Bill's dropped pants.

And if she'd "won" that fight, she'd be the landslide nominee.

[KoKo]

37. If you don't know that...then GOOGLE...! Sheeh...Why not get "up to speed"

in your Dem Cred's before you post.. but..if you are new since '05...then, I repeat, that Google is your Friend.

[eileen_d]

30. Whatever the third choice is

I pick that. :evilgrin:

[KoKo]

39. GORE? He would be "THE ONE! n/t

[skater314159]

38. No. nt

[Raine]

42. I can't see Hillary as a strong role model

for women. Hillary stayed with a man who screwed her over, betrayed her, shamed and humiliated her in front of the world. Now she uses his name and service to try and propel her into the Whitehouse. Barbara Boxer is my idea of a strong woman as role model and Hillary is no Barbara Boxer.

[KoKo]

43. Not one person recommended this post......

[JVS]

45. Maybe they thought it sucks.

[OzarkDem]

48. No, most Hillary supporters have left DU

after being attacked in the forum and threatened by PM.

There are better Dem political forums where people can still discuss the primary and support Hillary.

[KoKo]

53. I guess that's the truth of it.......n/t

[OzarkDem]

44. K & R

great post!

[Liberal Veteran]

47. Some people sell their bodies. Some people sell their souls.

Hillary did the latter.

[OzarkDem]

49. Got a link?

Nah, just more hot air.

[Liberal Veteran]

54. Here ya go

http://money.cnn.com/2006/07/12/news/newsmakers/healthcare_clinton/index.htm

Clinton, the only Democrat to be in the top five in total donations from the sector, is also the No. 1 senator in terms of donations from nurses and health professionals, and the No. 2 recipient of donations from employees of hospitals and nursing homes, as well as insurance companies.

The center's Web site shows that the sector is not the top contributor to Clinton. Donations from lawyers, retirees as well as Wall Street, real estate and the entertainment industries have all topped her contributions from health care. She is also the No. 1 recipient from each of those sectors.


And here is something for dinner:

[XemaSab]

61. Grackle for dinner! My favorite!

:9

[AX10]

50. The porn industry is crap!

[KoKo]

55. If Protstituion was Legal would it help? I don't know but too many Young Women watch Cable

and if you are "down on luck..family problems" rather than trying to find a profession...or jog that fulfill's you...you go for the "down an dirty" for the "quick buck." Hoping that maybe you will land a Spitzer, or Trump and get your "Contracts for Movies and Book" that will make you and "OVERNIGHT SUCCESS."

I think that there have always been Female Promoters...and that "some" have been very sucessful at their "trade." BUT... that flocks of Young Women are being flooded with the message of "Sell Your body..if you are GOOD LOOKING" and you can end up making the BIG BUCKS$$$$$$$...with Politicians, Wall St. Traders and Gurus and the rest of the POWER MAD ALPHA's is going to leave many young women just not making it...

They would be better spending their time on educating themselves in other trades and occupations for the "long haul" that might not make as much $$$$$$$$$$$$$'s but would be more long term for fulfullment and steady income. :shrug:

[Beacool]

56. Some of you are full of crap!!!!

There's plenty of love in that marriage. How many of you have even met these people to speak in such manner? Unless you know them, been in a room with both of them, watched them interact and finish each other sentences, you don't know what you are talking about. Bill is a flawed man, but no more than plenty of other men who cheat on their wives. If she found a way to forgive him, so can I.........

[KoKo]

57. They have "HELD TOGETHER," even if my Hubby would be dead from cast iron fying pan

on his head.....but she always "works for 'her vision.'" Maybe it's not the "vision" of us here on DU...but she does WORK 24/7.........and has all her life ..for what is in her heart.

As I say...it might not be our vision...Obama might be more for our HOPES AND DREAMS of a BETTER WORLD...but...she's a fighter. And, I give credit to her for withstanding it all and to still be out there and to Obama in overcoming all he has overcome to be out their on that CAMPAIGN TRAIL...which means flying in and out...no Life while you're "On the Road" eating crap food...moving your bed from place to place...always having to LOOK GOOD and have the PROPER HAIRCUT or MakeUp...and just DOING IT..while we "keyboard warriors" just click away criticizing.

You GOTTA REALLY WANT TO DO THIS...to DO IT!

[annie1]

58. as a woman i have always been very inspired by her.

[adoraz]

59. you can say the same exact thing about Obama

Obama will be a role model for blacks. The media is trying to make blacks into uneducated gangsters, but Obama is one of the few blacks in the media who doesn't act like that.

edit: not trying to sound like an ass by posting this, I understand your point, but I wanted to throw that out there just for the record.

[KoKo]

63. He is an incredible model....for all of us.....

in what he says and what he's done with his life ....given what he's gone through. And, I have no doubt that neither he nor Michelle would want either of their daughters on "Girls Gone Wild" or bedding the Rich and Famous...even if they are Governors or Mafia Dons. :-(