Book vs. Speech

[boston bean]

Speech:

"a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

Book:

His grandmother didn't want to take the bus because she had been harassed by a panhandler at the bus stop:

"Her lips pursed with irritation. 'He was very aggressive, Barry. Very aggressive. I gave him a dollar and he kept asking. If the bus hadn't come, I think he might have hit me over the head."

Obamas Grandad didn't want to give her a ride to work and he tells Barack it's because the pan handler was black:

"He turned around and I saw that he was shaking. 'It is a big deal. It's a big deal to me. She's been bothered by men before. You know why she's so scared this time. I'll tell you why. Before you came in, she told me the fella was black.' He whispered the word. 'That's the real reason why she's bothered. And I just don't think that right."




He cannot give a straight, true story. He is a panderer of the worse kind.

[Guava Jelly]

1. I am starting to think you just don't like Obama

Do you need a hug?

[boston bean]

3. you know I am critical of him, he was never my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th choice. nt

[Guava Jelly]

8. He was my third

Sen Clinton wasn't in the three.
But i don't despise her as you do Obama.
I guess I am just sick of the constant negativity.
If Sen Clinton is the Nominee I will Vote for her

[boston bean]

9. I don't despise O, I just don't tolerate lying, over and over and over again.

[Guava Jelly]

12. Are you new to politics?

Everyone tells half truths

[boston bean]

14. No, I am not new to politics. With O, it is just that nothing rings true. I have never

been one to be inspired by a politician. I think people who are, are probably new to politics.

When I see someone given the status he has been given, with not one shred of criticism, questioning or vetting, before buying the farm, it makes me very nervous. You might say, that I have been doing my own vetting since NH.


I don't hate him, I do dislike him, but I will vote for him in the GE if he is the nominee, if that helps at all.

[Guava Jelly]

20. Thank you at least for that

..

[Johnny__Motown]

37. Maybe your time would be better spent reading about HRC and NAFTA

new info released today

[elixir]

38. Same here. May the nominee succeed in the GE.

[Johnny__Motown]

2. Not his dad... his grandfather... you cannot get anything straight. also why do you think that is

the same event?


Might not both be true?

[boston bean]

4. thank you for pointing that out, I will change it.

[Johnny__Motown]

5. now will you explain why you think that those are not 2 separate and distinct events?

[boston bean]

7. you guys will make any excuse, any excuse, any excuse. It really is laughable. nt

[Johnny__Motown]

10. No, how the hell do you know that both events are not true?

honestly... you make no sense at all,


you make assumptions without any cause to do so then say others are laughable for pointing it out.


Please, make a reasonable point...

[boston bean]

11. OMG, that is all I can say! nt

[Johnny__Motown]

13. this is insane.. please.. make a point.. any point... why are these two passages mutually exclusive...

[boston bean]

15. Use your common sense. nt

[Johnny__Motown]

18. My common sense says she was afraid of black men on the street and the

black panhandler too




Now please.. make a point

[boston bean]

22. I think its a fair inference that thisis what he was talking about. And if not,

why didn't he cut her some slack when he gave his speech yesterday.

[Johnny__Motown]

27. No, it is not a fair inference. there is more than one black man in the world

inferring that there was only one that she ever came into contact with is insane



Also he said that she loved him, sacrificed for him, etc etc etc


also said that she was part of him etc etc etc


no slack need be cut. he loves his grandmother despite her imperfections.

[boston bean]

29. Did he say he loved her, no he did not. But he was more than willing to

give the good Rev some love.

[Johnny__Motown]

31. He said words to that effect. back to the original point.. why do you think there is only one black

man in Kansas?

[boston bean]

36. Johnny, use your brain, even your friendlies in this thread know it to be true. I'm done trying to

have this conversation with you.

Of course, I cannot prove 100 percent, she didn't say something before, but I am almost 100 percent certain he was referring to this passage. He mentioned other passages from his book in the speech as well. He quoted those verbatim though and misled with this one.

[Johnny__Motown]

39. . forget 100 percent proof, any evidence would be fine. there is none, you are wrong

BTW Teaser and Armstead here agree with me.. my "friendlies" disagree with you. again you are wrong and possibly delusional

[boston bean]

41. Johnny, that is not true. you prove he meant another one. I am quoting from his book a passage tha

that sounds like a passage from his speech, but with a completely different meaning and twist and no understanding for his grandmother.

[Johnny__Motown]

43. I didn't make the claim, I feel no need to prove anything. back up your claim

[boston bean]

44. I have Johnny. you are in denial. nt

[Johnny__Motown]

46. You couldn't even get it straight that it was his grandfather, his father left when he was 2

you are nuts

the poor woman had a problem with black men. Men. plural. not just one man one time

[Johnny__Motown]

47. Even the quote you use says "more than on occasion" clue in

[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. You have proved nothing other than your conjecture is unprovable.

Brilliant.

[pocoloco]

6. LOL

Who did you say wrote that book of which you speak??

[Teaser]

16. Uh, where's the conflict?

.

[boston bean]

17. He makes it seem like she was afraid walking down the street, when in actuality, she

felt threatened by someone who would not leave her alone.

[Johnny__Motown]

21. They are not exclusive.. she was afraid of both....

[boston bean]

25. Johnny keep grasping, you are making a fool of yourself. Please use you god given common sense. Do

you have any?

[Johnny__Motown]

30. Yes, there is more than one black man in Kansas, your assumption that the panhandler is the only one

is clearly insane

[Petrushka]

48. The incident in Obama's book took place in Hawaii, not Kansas. Point? None. (But, wonder why

. . . Jesse Jackson said HE breathes a sigh of relief if he hears somebody following him down the street, turns around and sees that it is NOT a black man.)

:shrug:

[Johnny__Motown]

52. I stand corrected, I thought he lived in Kansas with his grandparents, my bad

I think the point of the OP was to say Obama had 2 versions of the same event. My contention was that there was more than one event.

Jesse Jackson.. well.. that is an entirely different subject

[Petrushka]

53. No sweat! ;-)

[Armstead]

28. To repeat the reasonably explained post s above....

Why do you assume this one story is the only episode related to race regarding his grandparents?

Is it stretching the imagination to think that over the course of many years, it came up more than once. Especially since she is white and he is half-Black?

Your irrational desire to find any reason to diss Obama may be clouding your judgement.

[Teaser]

50. No conflict there

She had confided to her husband that she was afraid because he was black, or cited it as a reason. It's there in the text.
Whether or not the panhandler had "bothered" her is moot. She had laid her motivation bare to her husband.

[DerekJ]

19. Question, did you read his book, and found that quote or ..

Did you read it on some RW blog?

Hint:
If I said this:

"I went to the mall on Monday."
"I went to the barbershop on Monday."

Am I lying/contradicting myself?

[varelse]

23. I read this post four times

was about to try again for the fifth time - but I can't find any evidence of this "pandering" you speak of, nor do I see how this shows that Obama "cannot give a straight, true story".

I guess I'll have to spring for his books and read them for myself, instead of just reading transcripts of the speeches and excerpts from the books quoted here :shrug:

[democrattotheend]

24. I don't understand what's inconsistent about the two accounts

When he told the story yesterday, I recognized it as one he had told in his book. What am I missing?

[boston bean]

26. Possibly, she had reason to fear for good reason besides the man was black. this says alot

about him. Why can't he cut her some slack, he sure cuts it for the good Rev.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. You have proved nothing other than your conjecture is unprovable.

Great job.

[democrattotheend]

49. He was there. You weren't

Don't you think he'd know what she was thinking better than you would?

[LisaM]

32. I find his writing style very overblown.

Of course, I am an English major, I'm in two book clubs, and I'm in a writer's group. I read and write quite a bit, so I'm very picky. But I find some of his prose downright laughable.

[NYCGirl]

33. And of course, EVERY CONVERSATION HE EVER HAD WITH HIS GRANDMOTHER

is in his book. Of course.

:eyes:

[Johnny__Motown]

34. long book

[NYCGirl]

35. VERY long book.

:rofl:

[DarienComp]

42. This is just weak.

I don't know what kind of point you think you're making. What makes you think one disproves the other?

[GoldieAZ49]

51. That is the dichotomy of his comparing the two key people in his life

the anger and words of Wright is what would scare his grandmother

[Little Star]

56. .

[Petrushka]

54. Wonder if he cringed, too, when he learned that his Grandpap Obama didn't exactly welcome his Mama

into the family . . . angry as he was because a white woman would contaminate the Obama bloodline.

Racism?

:crazy:

[SeaLyons]

55. K&R