Bill Clinton's Penis: It's Not Just for Freepers Anymore

[QC]

Did any of you ever imagine that a trip to DU would be like stepping into the WABAC Machine with Sherman and Peabody and paying a visit to Free Republic, circa 1998?



But here we have it: words like Billary thrown about like confetti on New Year's, jokes about Monica and stained blue dresses, sly repetitions of the Vince Foster murder rumors, Mena cocaine, retellings of the GOP's revisionist history of the 90s, and more. Basically all that was old is new again: all the favorites of the late 1990s right wing fever swamp of batshit insane Clinton hatred are now the hot new thing on the web's premiere progressive site.

What in the hell is going on?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

1. !!!

:spray:

[yardwork]

2. It's disgusting, I agree. I support Obama, but I'm disgusted with many of the anti-Hillary posts.

[XemaSab]

3. Here's what I think it is:

It's finally socially acceptable to admit that the Clintons weren't that great.

[NJSecularist]

10. Other than a Monica BJ, what wasn't great about Bill's presidency?

It was much better than George W's, that is for sure. Much better than Reagan and Bush Sr. Better than Carter's presidency.

[JVS]

16. 2 years of lame duck presidency because of that blowjob for one thing.

Then there was the scaling back of the social safety net and the continued outsourcing of American jobs.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. DOMA, WTO, NAFTA, the tech bubble bursting, deregulation of lenders,

...the Telcom act that allowed more media consolidation, the stupidity of Clinton to have an affair while under a microscope, universal health care discussion being silenced for almost a decade, no movement toward energy independence, losing congress, movement of the party to the right.

That's just off the top of my head.

[Jamastiene]

45. Yeah, but before the tech bubble burst, it

steadily grew to the greatest heights under Clinton as well. Gotta look at the big picture. Mistakes and bad compromises were made, but he did his best to keep his promises with little to no support from a Republican controlled Congress.

[Yurovsky]

72. That bubble had a lot more to do with Bill Gates than Bill Clinton...

Clinton's big accomplishment was kicking poor black mothers off of welfare. Sorry, but you're not going to hear me applauding this travesty.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

33. Losing congress, longer prison terms more black men in prison

constant scandal, bimbo gate eruptions, etc etc etc.....

He made George Bush's pResidency possible.

[Tesha]

56. ...Welfare "reform", the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi kids... (NT)

[hell-bent]

63. More black men in prison?

May I suggest that you avoid drinking anymore of that Kool-Aid or stop smoking that shit! Sure, Bill Clinton was responsible for more black men in prison. You fool!

[Mezzo]

88. no..it IS.. The CLENIS out all those black men behind bars.

[bellasgrams]

69. what does loner prison terms more blk men in prison have to do with

Bill Clinton? Bimbo gate was courtesy of the Repbs., women were want-a-bes, scandals were whipped up by the repbs. They couldn't get him on his public record, his knowledge and ability so they went after him for the same thing most of them were doing themselves. You need to go back to the freepers den. Clinton was the best Pres. since JFK, and was a whole lot better than BO could ever hope to be if given a 100 yrs.

[Mezzo]

78. losing congress? with the LOWEST VOTER TURNOUT IN modern history, WE lost

congress, not him.

[Liberal Veteran]

13. True that. We had Nixon, Ford, and the admittedly painful Carter years....

(which while not his fault wasn't a wonderful time for many Americans so don't think I am bashing Carter), the abomination that was 12 years of Reagan/Bush, and 7 years of Bush/Cheney.

Looking at it from that perspective, the Clintons look great, but taken on their own merits, there was A LOT to criticize about the Clinton administration.

[usrbs]

80. That criticism is valid. The stupid GOP talking points aren't

Monica, blue dress, Foster, etc. should have no place on this board.

[Tesha]

55. The Clintons (and the entire DLC) were an unmitigated *DISASTER* for Democrats.

[hell-bent]

64. Oh yes, I know where you

are coming from. Seventhson, is that you?

[QC]

66. If s/he posts comething about Haitian man-tits, we'll know! n/t

[Tesha]

68. Nope, not Seventhson (whoever that is).

Just a Democrat who actually believes in Democratic,
progressive values, something the Clintons never did.

And who can look at the Clinton Presidency with enough
emotional distance to see it for what it was.

Tesha

[Mezzo]

79. and Obama and Rahm like to be sitting in a tree. nt

[Bake]

74. Eight years of peace and prosperity.

Thank God THAT is over! I don't know how we survived it!!

Bake

[Guava Jelly]

4. I don't care for the Clinton bashing either

He was a good president..I miss him.
And I am voting for the other guy

[KingFlorez]

5. It's ridiculous that people here would repeat that right-wing trash

[Forkboy]

8. Yes, it is.

[Texas Hill Country]

49. amen.

[UALRBSofL]

53. Waves to Forkboy

:hi: Good Morning

[Forkboy]

62. Good afternoon!

I'm a little slow, sorry. :)

[gabeana]

6. OH my god the hypocrisy here is ripe

countless post referencing from RW sources to slam Obama and no mention of that in the OP

[Mezzo]

81. BO want to reach out to the repigs. LOTS of evidence out there...

so those are his bedfellows. I can't help that. it is one of the reasons I don't support him. I don't want reconciliation with these people, I want them to take no for an answer, the repigs. Their policies should not be reconciled, they should be repudiated.

[Emit]

7. Racism: It's Not Just for Freepers Anymore n/t

[tigereye]

9. I wish topics of actual substance were discussed

it's sickening to see rightwing crap directed at either candidate on a left-wing board.

:thumbsdown:

[QC]

18. BINGO! I really do miss those discussions.

There has always been a certain amount of weirdness, of course, but we really did used to have more substantive discussions here, I think. I miss them.

[waiting for hope]

22. I miss them too -

and the majority of them were about Edwards, his policy proposals, his statements, his performance at one of the debates, meeting up with union leaders, taking the Poverty Tour, pushing the issues forward (Healthcare, Iraq, Poverty, Green Job Incentive, Lobbyist controlled DC...) - I miss Edwards.

[QC]

25. Imagine that--talking about policy!

Seems so long ago, doesn't it?

The tone of this place really slipped when Edwards dropped out. I think there's a reason for that--once he was gone, we were left with two remaining candidates who are about 98% alike, so it all became about personalities. Freud called it "the vanity of small differences" and we definitely see it in action here.

[tigereye]

58. to be fair, I have seen policy discussions, but they seem to get lost in all

the "he said, she said - your candidate sucks" type posts. :(

[QC]

59. Very true.

They fall right off the front page.

[VolcanoJen]

31. True, that

Sometimes, it really is simpler than it appears. Remember when we used to make fun of these sources, like, less than a year ago?

:thumbsup:

[rodeodance]

11. i gen. do onto those threads with **YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH b.CLINTONS' PENIS-to no avail

[Frank Booth]

38. You've perpetuated the right wing trash on this website more than just about anyone

So don't start acting so high and mighty.

[Catherine Vincent]

12. Post of the day!

:kick:

[JVS]

14. He's not our leader anymore. We don't need to defend him.

It's so liberating. It is as though the sky has opened up and celestial choirs have started to sing!

[Raine]

23. Yeah, I defended for the 8yrs he was in and

the almost 8yrs he's been out. I lost friends and alienated family because of my defense of the Clintons. I'm not defending him anymore and it's a relief for sure.

[Auntie Bush]

34. Why can't you just prefer & defend Obama and not post hate

about Hillary and Bill? That's what turned me off on Obama. I spent hours defending Hillary which eventually turned into love and respect. Such a strong woman! And Bill is strong too to survive so well after what the RW put him through.

[Raine]

43. What hate?

I'm tired of defending the man and not doing it anymore PERIOD. Why do you want to turn not defending him into hating him, that conclusion is coming from you not from me. I have no respect for him left any longer but I don't hate him, never have and never will.

Edit: spelling

[Arkansas Granny]

15. Since the Admins relaxed the rules during the primaries there are posters

who are making comments that would have gotten them banned just a few weeks ago. I know that many here are sharply divided about which candidate should win the nomination, but some of the things I see posted lately are just disgusting. And if bashing each others candidates is not bad enough, I've seen some things said to other DUers that is really unacceptable. I'm sure that some of the nastiness comes from trolls and disrupters, but too often it is being posted by people who have been here a long time. I've lost a lot of respect for some who have really crossed the line of civility. It makes it hard to remember sometimes that we are all (supposedly) Democrats.

[tabasco]

17. It's the lies, stupid.

Not the Clenis. I could not care less about Bill's sexual life. But when he lies to me and Hillary lies to me to my face ("I didn't have time to release my records"), I see them as morally unfit to lead this country out of the awful tragedy we find ourselves in.

Bill and Hillary have been corrupted with wealth and power.

[QC]

20. Releasing records is a legitimate issue in the here and now.

Cackling over cigars and breathlessly pimping Genital Flowers's latest revelations is just sophomoric.

[cbayer]

21. There's a war goin on, dontcha know.

This site is not reflective of the general public.

Most surveyed democratic voters would vote for either candidate, even if they have a strong preference at this time.

Most survey democratic voters are in favor of a unified ticket.

But here, not so much. Here there are people that take the position that their candidate represents all that is righteous and the other democratic candidate is satan.

Even though finding much of substance to back that up is pretty hard.

So, they have to resort to personal attacks, sometimes dragging old garbage in to support it.

But thankfully, this site is not reflective of the general public.

I have also posted this here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5165111

[waiting for hope]

29. I think a few here need to be reminded that:

"this site is not reflective of the general public" because they don't seem to know that.

[cbayer]

32. But what they are is influential.

We are the rabid political junkies who talk about this all the time and often have the real story. Many people here have the capacity to influence others.

But I agree with you, they often need to be reminded that they are not representative.

[backscatter712]

24. Bill Clinton was a good administrator, but a terrible leader.

As far as administration of the Administration goes, he did a fine job.

He kept the U.S. out of unmanageable entanglements, kept on top of the technicalities, did the right thing to keep the economy going, and even worked successfully to balance the
budget, despite the nastiest politics seen until Bush's administration.

But he was a terrible leader. He administered the country well, but didn't lead it. Health care reform was thrown back a decade. Liberal politics degenerated into triangulation, and at best was a holding action against relentless Republican attacks. He came under fire for scandal after scandal, and got his ass impeached for of all things, a blowjob.

He held the country together with his administration, but because of his lack of leadership, his Presidency ended up a segue to Bush's clusterfuck.

[QC]

26. He disappointed me in many ways, but I would still prefer him

to that psychotic ignoramus in the White House now.

O for the days when America's biggest problem was that the president had a girlfriend!

[Liberal Veteran]

30. Clinton does look like FDR when wearing Bush-colored glasses...

....and certainly we were MUCH better off with Clinton than Bush, but we can do better than both.

[backscatter712]

39. Very true.

Bill Clinton was an improvement over the current Asshole in Chief, who is both a terrible leader AND a terrible administrator.

Personally, I want someone who's both a great leader and a great administrator.

[bridgit]

27. I say why not Vince Foster? It could play like Agatha Christie's Murder on the Orient Express...

Where each DUer would come into the sleeper car, pause, express disgust, timidity, strident disregard, condescension, justification, what-have-you, etc, and then stab Richard Widmark like really allot of times, over & over. Cept with 100k+ members the case will *never* be solved...ever!! :thumbsup:

[QC]

28. Can I be Lauren Bacall? n/t

[rug]

35. When he dies, that penis is going to the Smithsonian.

[QC]

37. The freepers will steal it! n/t

[Mezzo]

86. or the 'not just for freepers' will. nt

[DemGa]

36. It's the "new politics" --- it all rolls downhill from BO himself -- NT

[democrattotheend]

42. When has Obama brought up Bill's penis?

I would love to see a link for that.

[Raffi Ella]

50. my sentiments exactly DemGa.

But that still doesn't explain why the despicable vicious right wing attacks on Our own is allowed here at Democratic Underground.

I can not imagine what will happen here when Hillary Clinton actually gets the nomination as the Admins have all but re named this place Obama Underground.oh wow.my god.I just did a spell check?and it told me to replace ObamaUnderground by separating the two words.haha.wow.is there something in the works that we should know about?????hahaha.ah wow.I don't know why I'm so shocked by that.I shouldn't be after what I've witnessed here.

[McCamy Taylor]

40. Freepers plus Blame the Victim. The second are naive Dems who think the MSM would not

attack the Clintons unless something was wrong with them. As the MSM continues to attack Obama, they will soon learn that the MSM attacks all successful Democrats. However, they have to go through the stages of grief. Some are in denial. They are claiming that Hillary is doing the attacking----through all the telecoms she owns. That is right, she owns Viacom, GE, Disney, NewsCorp. I wonder why she is bothering to run for president with all that wealth and power at her fingertips.

:rofl:

Some have moved up to the anger stage. Few are in grief yet. As far bargaining---what kind of bargain do you make with the devil corporate media?

[Lilith Velkor]

71. You'd think she'd get better press with all that power over the media

Oh yeah, that's right. She's pretending to be the victim. :eyes:

Not only that, she controls the FCC somehow. I guess it's via the Transitive Property of the Clenis.

[democrattotheend]

41. This Obama supporter agrees

I for one am sick to death of hearing about Bill's penis! I've called out several Obama supporters for posting this crap. But Obama supporters are not the only ones posting right wing crap here. I think both sides should stop, unless they are posting it as an FYI (because it is good to know what Faux and company are saying about our candidates).

[QC]

46. I definitely agree--all the right wing garbage needs to go! n/t

[Stephanie]

44. That's all you're going to hear if she manages to steal the nomination.

Prepare yourself.

[QC]

47. Republicans smear. That's what they do. They're experts.

If Obama is nominated, we will hear about nothing by crazy preachers who hate Murka. If Clinton is nominated, we will hear about Bill's wayward pecker. Anyone who's been even mildly aware these past twenty years know that any candidate we nominate will be smeared.

[rodeodance]

48. RW smear that IMMATURE Obamafolk use here on DU.

[libbygurl]

57. '...if she manages to steal the nomination.' Good God.

Yeah, and she's telling all the pollsters to completely make up BO's tanking numbers, just because she would!

Your irrational Hillary-hatred is showing. Go take a deep breath, a nice drink (no more Kool-Aid, please) to cool off.

[Jamastiene]

51. It feels like we've all entered a time machine and gone back

to 1998 with all these right wing talking points from ages ago being rehashed around here. I DO wish they'd leave the Clenis out of it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

52. It's obviously because the Hillary supporters are paid RNC shills

:sarcasm:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5170702&mesg_id=5170702

[olkaz]

54. Let me explain.

The Clinton years embarrassed our party. Seriously. Our guy couldn't even keep monogamous. The whole period was divisive and god-awful.

Look, go ahead and compare some of the posters to Freepers, but don't put them down because they don't want all the embarrassment and centrism to come back.

[QC]

60. You think Clinton caused all that divisiveness in the 90s?

Don't you think maybe the Republicans might have had a little something to do with it?

[cynatnite]

75. How easy it is to forget history...

and convenient :eyes:

Please, do some reading up on how the repukes went after both Clintons with impunity. Check into how vicious they were in their attacks. Read up about Ken Starr and the rest of those fuckers from the time the Bill Clinton won the nomination throughout his presidency. It was criminal what those people did to the Clintons and anyone who thinks otherwise has either forgotten the facts, never knew them or flat out wants to ignore them.

[QC]

76. Thanks for the sanity.

Lately I am seeing some truly bizarre revisionism regarding the 90s around here: Clinton didn't try to work with the poor, put-upon Republicans and imposed DADT out of pure spite, Hillary is 100% responsible for the failure of health care reform (not the hundreds of millions of dollars pumped into the struggle by the medical and insurance industries), etc.

It's really weird, and I'm not sure if it's a matter simply of ignorant kiddies who don't know any better, or something worse.

[paulk]

61. flamewars are good for business

[Blue-Jay]

65. Surprise! Even Democrats can be idiotic douchebags.

[snooper2]

67. More of the fucking same...

That's what you get with Clinton in office, more of the fucking same in more ways than one...

:puke:





eom

[OzarkDem]

70. It says a lot about Obama supporters

they'll stoop to any level.

If necessary, they're willing to destroy the Democratic Party to get him elected. These are not Dems.

[Firespirit]

73. I hate to disillusion you

but DU ain't the web's premiere progressive site. It's a joke virtually everywhere else, including large blogs like Daily Kos. Outside of DU itself, DU is known for being a wild, sometimes loopy, left-wing forum with near-anarchy in its moderation.

That aside, there are quite a few Democrats who feel that Clinton's behavior and the Clinton style of politicking cost the party badly in the 90s and early 00s. They defended him at the time, but they're sick of it now.

[usrbs]

82. I haven't been able to read DailyKos for months

It started before the anti-HRC hysteria, it was when they were in a crazy pro-Edwards stage and all you can see was Edwards posts one after another. And since Markos took it upon himself to spread the unproven and pretty much debunked theory about the HRC campaign darkening Obama's face, I've lost all respect for him personally. Add to that the thinness of their recommended diaries, and their inferior format, and I much prefer this site. It's so much easier to navigate and find something worthwhile. You can just ignore the GDP, and there's always the cooking group to retreat to.

[Mezzo]

83. yup. They defended him then as well as their defending our civil liberties now.

which is why we need someone who will BEAT the GOP, not give them the reach around.

[QC]

89. People still read Daily Kos?

Fascinating!

[Mezzo]

77. They want to count his pubes more than they want to count the votes in GOP controlled Florida. nt

[meow mix]

84. Oh but all the racist and bigot threads are just fine. Dont mention those in your thread.

fine then.. be like that and ill continue to shred her and enjoy it. buncha bigots jerks anyways

[elana i am]

85. we're not obligated to like and respect clintons...

when bill was in office i was a teenager. i didn't even pay attention to politics back then. but i did pay attention to my mom when she used the clintons as an example of what NOT to be when i grow up. she reminded me, repeatedly, not to ever let a man do to me what bill did to hillary and get away with it.

i don't see politicians when i look at bill and hillary. i see a lecherous creep and a formerly pathetic and abused/currently bitter and opportunist woman. bill clinton is scum, and i question hillary's mental and emotional health for sticking with him all these years. her potential political opportunism, i.e. sticking with him to get ahead career-wise, doesn't instill confidence in her either.

[Bolo Boffin]

87. It's the mighty power of the Clenis!

No one should wonder about how crap like this shows up at a website where the registration process is basically anonymous. :)

[Hieronymus]

90. As Hillary supporters like to say about Obama criticism, .."It'll make ..

him stronger".

[QC]

91. Kick for the morning peckersniffers. n/t