Benefits to Obama winning the nom and losing the GE than Hillary winning the nom and winning the GE?

[Herman Munster]

It's apparently being whispered that Obama may be a loser against McCain but he is building the party for the future with his 50 state strategy. Therefore, Obama could be like Goldwater was to the conservative momevent in 1964. A loser but someone that changed the direction of the party for a generation and by giving him the nom even though they may think Hillary is more electable they are telling the young voters that their voice matters and that they are the future of the party and to stick around and build it.

It's also possible he may help in the red states on the down ballot races because he would bring a lot of new voters to the polls in important swing districts. So there may be some benefits with him losing the general election rather than have Hillary winning, oddly enough.

So if you were a superdelegate, what would you do if in June it's apparent that old people and white working class people will not vote for Obama and Hillary is the only chance to win?

Do you pick her or pick the loser that may change the party for the future?

[David Dunham]

1. No benefits. Downside to big Obama loss -- Dems will lose both houses of Congress

[Hawkeye-X]

18. That's where you're wrong, David.

Obama helped the Dems capture IL-14 which has been traditonally red. It was Hastert's seat.

I think Obama's coattails will help a *LOT* of downticket Dems looking for help.

Hillary offers NOT A DAMN THING to the downtickets Dems and may actually cause them to lose. When will you get it? I hope soon.

Hawkeye-X

[C_U_L8R]

2. More disinformation

"apparently being whispered" ...hahaha
how strawdoggian of you

[FARAFIELD]

3. Actually I can get Obama and the winner

When he wins, see how that works? Gosh your logic is crap, maybe you need some sleep. If someone said a candidtate got 54% of the vote the morning after the election it would NOT be McCain OR Hillary. he is the partys best chance for a big win.

[tularetom]

4. Hillary will drag down ticket Dems to losses

the Clintons have the shortest coattails in the history of the US.

[UALRBSofL]

10. I disagree because she is polling very well

Also, she is getting the independents and Reagan democrats.

[scheming daemons]

5. Hillary won't ever win the presidency now..... to win the nomination, she has to persuade the....

SDs to toss the black voters to the curb.

If Hillary wins now.... it means the SDs went against the will of the people.... at that point, she gets a pyrrhic victory because she will have lost the black vote for the Democratic party for a generation.

She can only win the nomination by tearing the party apart now.


Not so for Obama....

[frogcycle]

11. I get how that would offend, but

to where would that vote be lost?

So how do you support that claim? Sounds like you are echoing LBJ's "the Democratic party will lose the southern vote for a generation" over the voting rights bill. But the redneck vote went to the pugs in their "southern strategy."

You are not saying they'll vote for the oligarchs, are you?

You saying blacks just won't vote at all for a generation?

[scheming daemons]

14. I'm saying that the 90-10 advantage that the Dems have held for a generation will become 60-40....

...and that will make it impossible for a Dem to win the white house without moving WAY to the right.

[marimour]

6. Well Im an Obama supporter but,

if I was a SD, I think it would be a lot more useful to get more democratic Congressmen in office to actually get legislation passed than to have a pres. that just barely wins but doesn't have the support in Congress to get things like Universal Healthcare done.

[enki23]

7. where in holy hell do you people get the idea....

that hillary' main asset is electability? you really need to stay away from the paint thinner.

as for the rest... well, you know. some people say...

[jefferson_dem]

8. "apparently being whispered" ... in pms between you and jlake.

uh huh...

[apocalypsehow]

15. LOL! Yep, sounds about right.

:thumbsup:

[Forkboy]

19. *SNARF*

:rofl:

[tammywammy]

24. bwahahahaha

:rofl:

[tularetom]

9. One benefit is that Hillarity would be a one term president at best

and that she would easily be defeated by Obama in the 2012 primaries and hopefully disappear from American politics completely. That's assuming she has even a ghost of a chance of winning.

Hopefully we would never have to listen to a clintoon or a bush again.

[frazzled]

12. A few questionable assumptions

Who says Hillary would win the GE? That is hardly a given.

What happens if the long-stable African American base defects from the Democratic Party? Hillary will lose. Moreover, if African-Americans and young people get alienated, it is far more serious to the long-term prospects of the party than if seniors get alienated. I hate to put it crudely, but today's current old people won't be around for the party a long time. Working class? That's an issue ... but no more so than blacks and younger voters.

[Carrieyazel]

13. No way Dems lose in Congress this year. Regardless of Hillary losing or Obama losing.

Losing Congress is not possible. Our candidates in Congress, Senate and state houses are doing great right now. No bickering for us down the ticket, very few crappy campaigns; in fact Hillary and Obama should look at some of our candidates running down the ticket so they can get a clue. Not that it will make a damn bit of difference for them at this point.

Gains will be in the double digits in the House. At least 5 in the Senate. We'll consolidate our state and local gains from 2006, and we WILL be the clear majority party at all levels from Congress on down. The Repukes are being cut off at the grass roots.

HILLARY AND OBAMA WILL HAVE NO IMPACT ON WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THE TICKET. If either goes down to defeat in the general, which is likely going to happen, they go down on their own sword. Little or no effect to other candidates, thankfully.

And Hillary gives us the same shot as Obama in November: slim to none to beat McCain. We'd better be ready to deal with it and put EVERYTHING we can into CONGRESSIONAL and the lower races this year. This presidential race is basically done. We need to ramp up for the 2012 race and we'd better be able to find somebody in four years to take out McCain.

[rucky]

16. Benefits to being hit by a bus versus winning the lottery?

Some may think they'd learn alot from either experience.

This is a fun game. Does it have a name yet?

[Arugula Latte]

26. It's apparently being whispered that getting hit by a bus is actually a quite pleasant experience.

[Forkboy]

17. So you're saying picking her won't change the party, which I tend to agree with.

You're your own worst enemy Herman. :rofl:

[AX10]

20. The Dems will keep congress.

There will be gains in the Senate. The house is one the that I am now doubtful about.
I expect much split ticket voting.

[AlCzervik]

21. so you want Change then do you Herman?

[Blondiegrrl]

22. In what world is Hillary more electable than Obama?

Some Democrats like her. Some Democrats dislike her. The vast majority of Republicans and Independents haaaaaaaate her ass. Independents -- like my husband, for instance -- will flock to McCain in droves if Clinton is the nominee.

As for Obama: Some Democrats like him. Some Democrats dislike him. Quite a few Republicans and Independents like and respect him. Independents -- again, like my husband -- will readily vote for Obama over McCain.

Now who seems more electable in the GE?

[apocalypsehow]

23. *Ahem*:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5163341&mesg_id=5163341

"Facts are stupid things."

[chieftain]

25. Hearing whispers, Herman? Hmmm. As the voices get

louder, please get help.