Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh. It's true and perverse.

[CoffeeCat]

Does everyone realize that on March 4--the day of the Texas and Ohio primaries--Bill Clinton made
an appearance on the Rush Limbaugh radio program and did a 15-minute interview?

This is not a rumor. It is true. Here is the link from rushlimbaugh.com where you can listen
to Clinton's interview: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

Rush Limbaugh, folks. The man who called Chelsea Clinton, "The White House dog." The same
Rush Limbaugh who says that liberals "hate our soldiers and hate our military" and calls liberals
"treasonous".

Apparently, Rush Limbaugh and others in right-wing, hate radio--have found common ground with
Bill and Hillary Clinton. They all want Obama defeated in the Democratic primary.

Rush Limbaugh has declared an assault on our Democratic primary--launching an effort which
Rush calls, "Pimp Yourself: Vote Hillary!".

Since mid-February--Rush has been urging his Republican listeners to switch their registration from
Republican to Democrat--and vote for Hillary in their state Democratic primary. Rush touted
"Pimp Yourself: Vote Hillary!" for a good three weeks--before Bill Clinton appeared on Rush's show.

Apparently, Bill Clinton has no problem with Limbaugh creating false results in our Democratic primaries. In
fact, Bill Clinton sanctions the stealing of our Democratic primaries--when he appears on Limbaugh's program
the very day of the Ohio and Texas primaries. Bill Clinton also has no problem with the following statements
Rush made in the days and weeks leading up to the March 4 Ohio/Texas primaries:

"The strategy is to continue the chaos in this party. Look, there's a reason for this. Our side isn't going to do this. Obama needs to be bloodied up. Look, half the country already hates Hillary. That's good. But nobody hates Obama yet. Hillary is going to be the one to have to bloody him up politically because our side isn't going to do it. Mark my words. It's about winning, folks!" more at link: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030308/content/01125107.guest.html

Rush also said this on Feb 26, 2008--as he explained in detail the philosophy behind "Pimp Yourself: Vote Hillary!"

"I know I'm fighting an uphill battle here, folks, on trying to convince you Republicans in Ohio and Texas to cross over, pimp yourselves for a day, vote for Hillary to keep this campaign going, this Uncivil War, Democrat Party...It's about those people losing. They've got some problems in the Democrat Party. It's not all sweetness and light over there, and we need them to continue warring with each other. We love these stories of black people claiming they've been threatened with violence or their lives because they're not supporting Obama. We want all this kind of stuff out there. We want the Clinton campaign to keep pumping out these pictures of Obama dressed up as Bin Laden. We want this kind of stuff. If
Hillary loses this thing, all of that's going to come to a screeching halt. We want all the disruption in that party as possible... link to entire transcript: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_022608/content/01125110.guest.html

Despite this orchestrated effort to stain and create false results in our Democratic primaries with
pseudo votes from Republicans who admit that they do not like Hillary and would never support
her--Bill Clinton went on Rush's program and participated in this perverse, undemocratic and unfair,
election-stealing behavior.

Do people get this? Do they really get that the Clintons don't care about the Democratic party at all?
They don't care if they win by cheating or if they win by cozying up to a right-wing hatemonger who called
their own daughter "The White House Dog" and who spent years attacking the Clintons and who once said that
Vince Foster was really killed in a DC apartment owned by Hillary Clinton?

Does everyone get how sick, undemocratic and self serving the Clintons are?

[cbayer]

1. 6 votes and no comments. Hmmmm, that's always interesting.

This has been debunked and you may want to do a little research on it.

Bill Clinton was interviewed earlier in the day by another person on that station.

Said person then guest-hosted for Limbaugh and ran the tape.

That's all.

[Cali_Democrat]

3. As far as I'm concerned, theres not much else to say. The OP nailed it

Recommend.

:thumbsup:

[cbayer]

5. Then you don't know the facts.

Blindly recommending things is your prerogative.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. The fact is that both Clintons and their surrogates have moved steadily to the right

There's no blind recommending involved.

[defendandprotect]

141. Folks, the DLC assignment is to move the Democratic Party to the RIGHT . . . !!!!

Sen. Hillary Clinton is part of the DLC leadership --

[SunsetDreams]

13. The point is not whether he spoke with Rush..

it's that he went on that same show.

[cbayer]

20. No, he didn't.

A tape of an earlier interview was played on the show.

That's a significant difference.

Bill Clinton did not go on the Rush Limbaugh show.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. screenshot of Limbaugh website for Clinton/Limbaugh deniers

its Limbaugh's site, his show. Mark Davis filled in for Limpballs while Limpballs was "out sick".

[MonkeyFunk]

70. Please stop posting that enormous screen shot

it doesn't do anything to make your point.

Bill Clinton did not go on Rush Limbaugh's show, and no graphic, regardless of size, will change that fact.

Yes, Rush dishonestly IMPLIES that Clinton was on his show - but it's a lie. It's Rush, what did you expect? It's sad to see DUers teaming up with Rush and Andrew Sullivan to preserve this lie.

[Enthusiast]

103. Same thing!

To think, I use to defend Clinton. I even fought with my best friend for being disrespectful toward Bill in the 1990s. Now Hillary and Bill make me puke. And hey, I'm a white guy. Barack gets my vote!

[MonkeyFunk]

79. No he did not.

Read the thread.

He went on the Mark Davis show, a top-rated local radio show in Texas.

Later that day, Davis subbed for Rush and replayed the interview he had recorded earlier that day.

[jconner27]

93. Obama ran to Hannity

[earthlover]

121. What the hell difference does THAT make? He was on the show! He didn't have to be....

Nobody put a gun to Bill's head and make the taped interview.

He did it. Makes no difference whether Rush or a Rush Fill In actually was there.

[CoffeeCat]

10. With all due respect, you are wrong...

Bill Clinton was on Rush Limbaugh's radio program.

That day, Rush Limbaugh was sick and he had a fill-in host. That host was Mark Davis. However,
it was still the Rush Limbaugh show--with Rush's opening music and constant "Hi this is Mark Davis
filling in today on the Rush Limbaugh show."

Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh's radio program, on March 4--the day of the Texas/Ohio primaries.

That is a fact.

Please. Visit the links before you talk about something being "debunked."

It's all right there on Rush's Web site.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[cbayer]

16. You want me to visit Rush Limbaugh's site to prove your point!?!?!

No. I know the facts.

Mark Davis interviewed him on his own show earlier in the day and then replayed it as a guest host later on the Limbaugh show.

I love this part: "It's right there on Rush's Web site"

:rofl:

[SwampG8r]

82. so you are saying

that bill clinton ,super politician, had NO idea that davis was doing rushs show as a sub later that day?
i find it hard to believe that this was coincidental or accidental
bill is to good of a campaigner to do an interview without knowing the outlet that will present it
im sorry but it just sounds a little disengenuous to suggest that bill had no idea where his words were going

[creeksneakers2]

97. Bill Clinton gave 55 radio interviews that day

How would he know where else a tape of an interview would be played? (I don't believe a tape actually was played on Limbaugh. I don't even believe there actually was an interview.)

[MonkeyFunk]

68. No you're wrong

They played an interview that was recorded earlier that day on a different show.

If Rush plays part of an Obama speech, can we fairly say that Obama went on the Rush Limbaugh show?

[SwampG8r]

83. what a straw man that is

will he play the whole speech?
without commentary?

[creeksneakers2]

96. It doesn't say anything about the interview being on

Rush's show at all. It just says the guest host interviewed Clinton. The interview could have taken place anywhere. I've seen no evidence that even the taped interview was played on Rush's show. The website does not claim that. No legitimate news source claims that. I don't believe they would ever play such an interview on Rush. Its a softball interview of Bill Clinton who they have been out to destroy for the last 16 years. They would never do anything that helped Bill Clinton. In fact, I don't even believe there was an interview. Its probably just a spliced together tape. No wingnut talk show host could possibly interview Bill Clinton without trying to find out more about the clenis.

Your erroneous claims that Limbaugh's site proved it happen have been debunked before. I don't understand why you want to keep making the same debunked claim. I also don't understand how anybody who isn't a completely fooled dittohead could possibly believe Rush's website could be evidence of anything, other than the fact that Limbaugh lies all the time.

[tabasco]

15. So you're saying Bill Clinton is so naive that he did not know by whom he was being interviewed?

That's hilarious.

[cbayer]

19. He was being interviewed by Mark Davis who has a regular, local show on in the morning.

Did you think he was being interviewed by Limbaugh?

I swear. The lack of critical thinking and actually looking into something before swallowing it whole is frightening.


Not directed at you personally, but at the 19 people who have recommended this that have NO IDEA whether it is true or not.

It's not.

That's hilarious.

:rofl:

[CoffeeCat]

23. Bill Clinton went on the Rush Limbaugh show...

...and frankly, it doesn't matter whether Bill Clinton went on Limbaugh
and was interviewed by Limbaugh; or whether Bill Clinton went on Limbaugh
and was interviewed by another right-wing, hate monger Mark Davis.

You might want to quit rolling around the floor and laughing.

You're really not making very much sense.

[rodeodance]

45. you are so silly you can't even listen when people try to talk to you.

[bhikkhu]

48. I listened to the show (I am sorry to say)

and I have to say I feel sorry for Bill. It was pretty clear he was being played and used.

On occasion I have listened to RW radio for the news and "strategery", but they have become so blatantly vile even a hardened old trooper can't take it anymore. I don't care what they have planned anymore - let them try, and fail.

[CoffeeCat]

54. How can you see Bill Clinton as a victim in this?

Bill Clinton knew that Rush had been telling his listeners to vote for Hillary.

Everyone knew it. It was widely reported on every media outlet.

Furthermore, Bill Clinton benefits from Limbaugh's efforts. Limbaugh's
sickening marketing campaign helps Hillary and Bill destroy Obama and
keeps Hillary in the race.

Bill's appearance on the show wasn't some mistake.

Bill knew exactly what his interview would catalyze in those Rush Limbaugh
listeners---additional Limbaugh lemmings voting for Hillary.

[cbayer]

55. I see Bill Clinton as a possible victim in this because I like Bill Clinton.

He is one of the top three Presidents in my lifetime, IMO.

Perhaps I know more about him than you do. Or perhaps we just don't share a positive opinion of him.

[CoffeeCat]

59. At least you admit that your entire perception...

...of this situation is affected because you "like Bill Clinton and because
you consider Clinton "one of the top three Presidents in my lifetime..."

I understand that you believe that.

[bhikkhu]

58. As one simultaneously promoting his wife's efforts and destroying his legacy

That is, allying with his most hated enemy for the hope of an immediate advantage (or as the RW puts it, the classic Clinton "triangulation"). They read his weaknesses and played him like a violin.

As one who respected him at one time (sitting down and going nose to nose, line by line, over the budgets, for instance, as no president has ever done) it is hard to see this as anything but humiliating payback.

[MonkeyFunk]

69. It's not nice to lie

Bill Clinton did a phone interview on the Mark Davis radio show in Texas. Later that day, Mark Davis replayed the interview on the Rush Limbaugh show.

WBAP radio had the interview posted on their website hours before Rush's show even started.

A few people in this thread KNOW it's a lie, and keep pushing it. That's reprehensible.

[Major Hogwash]

114. They just can't handle the truth.

Hillary is in Michigan, after she signed a pledge not to campaign there - and yet she is campaigning there.

Hillary should be kicked out of the Democratic Party for breaking her pledge.

It depends on what the definition of "is" is, ya know - and Hillary is not a Democrat!!

[marshall]

91. Mark Davis is Dallas's right wing radio host

Bill Clinton would have to be a complete moron to not know that Davis is a regular substitute host of Limbaugh. He would have to be a complete moron to not be aware of Limbaugh's campaign to get listeners to vote for his wife. He would have to be a complete moron to not know that his interview with Mark Davis would carry over to other related shows like Limbaugh's.
So, is that the point? That Bill Clinton is just a stupid fool who was taken advantage of by a Karl Rove wanna-be?
Sorry, I'm not buyin' it.

[creeksneakers2]

105. I listen to Limbaugh often when I work

There are regular fill in hosts but I've never heard of Mark Davis before this. There is no way Bill could possibly know Mark was scheduled to go on Limbaugh. Who would even think about the possibility of an interview being run on other shows? Bill Clinton did 55 radio interviews that day. Since radio is dominated by wingnuts he probably had to be interviewed by wingnuts if he wanted to get any traction on the radio.

I don't believe there even was a Mark Davis interview. I strongly feel that the tape on the web is just spliced together sound bites. There isn't one place on the tape where Clinton uses the host's name or names the radio station. There is absolutely no evidence anywhere that even a taped interview of Clinton was played on Limbaugh.

[marshall]

147. It was a phone interview

No doubt about it, Clinton did a phone interview with Mark Davis. And it worked--it got Hillary enough votes to win half the state (the popular but not the caucus).
I think Davis has just been a recent standard guest host for Limbaugh. It would make sense to me that the best known local Dallas right wing talk show host would guest host the day of the primary.
I suppose it is possible that Bill Clinton could be so disconnected and preoccupied that he didn't know who exactly he was talking to. I doubt it--I give him credit for being very astute and a political savant.

[creeksneakers2]

148. Plenty of doubt about it

Here's an entry from the Davis's blog about March 4. It doesn't mention anything about a Clinton interview.(He did do a blog entry about his interview with Mike Huckabee)

http://www.wbap.com/blog.asp?id=20338

There is nothing anywhere else about a Davis/Clinton interview, other than a few kook sites on the web. The main news page of WBAP didn't mention it. Clinton never identifies Davis or WBAP in the interview. There is no crosstalk. There are no wingnut questions. It sounds just like spliced together sound bites sound.

If you listen to the interview, you'll hear that all the answers are the Clinton talking points from that day. There is no way a wingnut host would put out good PR for the Clintons. There's no way a wingnut station would run such a thing. Rush advocates voting for Hillary but he never once said and never would say anything good about Hillary to get Republicans to vote for her. He instructs from the hate perspective.

Early on March 4, Davis wrote an editorial about Republicans crossing over to vote for Hillary. Davis was against it.

Mark Davis: Let Dems choose their candidate
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/viewpoints/stories/DN-markdavis_04edi.ART.State.Edition1.46475e6.html

[marshall]

149. FYI

From the WBAP website:
Ex-President Clinton Talks to WBAP's Mark Davis
http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

Surely if Mark Davis had spliced together an interview that concocted a Clinton phone in, as you suggest, the Clintons would have addressed it by now. If you are suggesting a "War of the Worlds" scenario where Davis was creating fiction that appeared to be fact then his reputation will suffer in the market, because everyone, Democrats and Republicans alike, took the interview to be exactly what it purports to be.

[creeksneakers2]

150. That blurb is the only mention on the site

If it were a real interview I think they would have made more of it.

The Clintons can't begin to deny all the lies made up about them on wingnut radio. Dozens come out daily.

Wingnut hosts don't suffer a loss of reputation for lying. Wingnut listeners don't mind one bit. In fact, they like lies better, because it gives them a teenage vandalism type rush.

Its tough to prove the interview was faked. Its tough to prove it wasn't. I'm still working on it.

[marshall]

151. Good luck, the best evidence would be a Clinton denial

It seems horribly inappropriate for Bill Clinton to get in bed with any right wing talk radio person. He hasn't been reticent about going after his detractors before.

[jasmine621]

34. The Clintons have never backed down from their detractors.

No matter how offensive they were. They have never treated their detractors in kind...they are a pretty classy team. I really have never heard either of them say a really personally mean thing about anyone. If you have print it. And do not mean stating facts about an opponents record. I mean really personal nasty things like "trailer trash" "robo-hips" etc.

[cbayer]

37. Jasmine, if you are replying to me, you read me completely wrong.

Or you are being very sarcastic.

I can't tell.

[SwampG8r]

84. they have

people they keep around for smearing
that way they dont get their sleaze directly on themselves
ie:james carvelle george stephanopolis david gergan

[Leo 9]

126. Clinton & Right Wing Radio Limbaugh Guest Host on Limbaugh's Show Sitting In A Tree...

K.I.S.S.I.N.G.

That's all?

:eyes:

[surfermaw]

140. Here is a reply, Rush and Rep.are as afraid of Hillary as they would be of a Tiger

So stop your crap, if I thought you were a Obama supporter, I wouldn't vote for him, however it best that I think you are a kinky republican obessed with Bill Clinton

[Horse with no Name]

2. He was on the #1 Talk Radio station in Dallas

WBAP.
Mark Davis did the interview.
Do you think that it just might be possible that Davis didn't TELL him he was subbing for Limbaugh that day? :eyes:

[CoffeeCat]

11. Actually Mark Davis was hosting the Rush Limbaugh...

...show that day, because Rush was sick.

However, this was the Rush Limbaugh show. Rush talks about how he
was sick that day and how Mark Davis filled in for him:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[MonkeyFunk]

71. LATER that day, he subbed for Rush

That morning, he had Bill Clinton on his LOCAL show on WBAP. WBAP posted the interview on their website at 10:00am. Rush's show doesn't even start until noon.

A lie's a lie, no matter how often it's told.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. No matter how many times you guys

keep posting this lie, it won't make it true.

Bill Clinton appeared on Mark Davis' local radio show in Texas (via telephone).

Later that day, the interview was replayed on the Rush Limbaugh show.

Andrew Sullivan started this lie, and you guys are running with it.

[Straight Shooter]

7. In war and politics, truth is always the first casualty.

Andrew Sullivan is a twit. :)

[CoffeeCat]

17. Bill Clinton appeared on the Rush Limbaugh show...

...and if there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that
the truth is the one thing that always survives.

On March 4---Bill Clinton was interviewed by Mark Davis.

On March 4--Mark Davis was a guest host on the Rush Limbaugh show. He filled
in for Rush that day, because Rush was sick.

Rush has this information on his Web site--discussing how--on Rush's show, Mark
Davis was the host and Bill Clinton was interviewed.

This was the Rush Limbaugh show--complete with Rush's music, parodies, skits
and Mark Davis repeatedly saying, "Good afternoon. This is Mark Davis, filling
in for Rush Limbaugh today, on the EIB Network."

This was NOT the Mark Davis show. This was the Rush Limbaugh show.

Here's the info straight from the Rush Limbaugh Web site:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[MonkeyFunk]

72. That's a lie

Bill Clinton appeared on the Mark Davis show in the morning.

That afternoon, Davis subbed for RUsh and replayed the interview. You KNOW this is the case, yet you continue pushing this lie. Why is that?

[CoffeeCat]

12. No, you are spreading disinformation...

Rush has all of this on his Web site.

I'll provide you with links, but this is exactly what is on Rush's site:

Directly from Rush's Web site:
"EIB Guest Host While Rush Is Sick
Mark Davis of WBAP Dallas/Ft. Worth"

It is dated 3/04/08---the date Bill Clinton was interviewed and the date Mark Davis
filled in for Rush.

Link:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[Horse with no Name]

14. and...you...believe..RUSH?

:rofl:
It's not like he has an agenda or anything.

[CoffeeCat]

18. It's not what I believe. Clinton was on the show...

I heard the transcript of the interview, and I listened to Rush Limbaugh's show
that day. I heard the Rush Limbaugh show airing---complete with all of the original
trappings--the music, the EIB network junk, the Rush Limbaugh commercials--and I heard
this substitute host Mark Davis.

It's not like Limbaugh is stating an opinion and I'm agreeing with it.

The facts are:

--Bill Clinton appeared on the Rush Limbaugh show on 3/4
--Mark Davis filled in for Rush on 3/4 and interviewed Bill Clinton that day

Facts are facts.

Again, here is the link that verifies all of this:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_030408/home.guest.html

[Horse with no Name]

22. He phoned it in

It is VERY likely he was NOT told that Davis was subbing for Limbaugh.
You are aware that when they cold can an interview...that they don't add in the promos or the music while they tape them? Those are done AFTER?

[MonkeyFunk]

73. No

The interview was NOT conducted on the Rush Limbaugh show!!!!!

It was conducted on the Mark Davis show in the morning. LATER, Davis replayed the interview on Rush's show.

The interview was posted on WBAP's website at 9:58am that day. Rush's show starts at noon.

[Zhade]

29. Thank you for not letting the Liars for Clinton club prevail.

Thank you for the truth.

[Horse with no Name]

31. the republicans have their own "truth" too

and they are just as convinced they are as correct as you are.
The OP is a lie.
It has been proven.
Believe what you want because you will anyway.
Just realize that you are only believing your OWN "truths"..."truths" that parallel republican truths.

[cbayer]

38. By the way, I am not one of the Liars for Clinton club.

If you think i am, you do not know me at all.

I despise smear tactics of all types against one of our candidates.

Smear tactics against the enemy? That's probably going to be OK with me.

[cbayer]

25. I would recommend that you step back for just a moment

and go do a little research on this.

You continue to link people to Limbaugh's site.

If you really believe this to be true, despite what others are telling you, then you should probably back it up with something more credible.

Take it or leave it. Just my advice.

[CoffeeCat]

32. I heard Limbaugh's show that day...

On 3/4, the day of the Ohio and Texas primaries--I heard Mark Davis substituting
for Rush Limbaugh that day.

I also heard Mark Davis interviewing Bill Clinton during the Rush Limbaugh show.

Additionally, I've been listening to Rush Limbaugh fairly regularly since 1992.

I listened during the past month--when Rush launches his "Pimp Yourself. Vote For Hillary!"
campaign---which is an orchestrated attack on our democratic primaries to defeat Barack
Obama. Rush has droned on and on about this for weeks now--and for many days prior
to the Clinton interview.

Furthermore, Mark Davis is one of the right-wing, hate radio personalities. His show
airs on WBAP in Texas, and then is followed by the Rush Limbaugh show.

Are you actually trying to suggest that Limbaugh's concerted and very overt effort
to subvert our primaries---and the Clinton interview that was aired on Limbaugh's
show the day of the Texas and Ohio primaries---are somehow unrelated and insignificant?

Bill Clinton participated in this effort to poison our elections with votes for Hillary
that were concocted by Rush to defeat Obama.

Yep. It's all just a big rollicking, laugh-on-the-floor situation, here!

It's perverse and now you want to cloud reality. Lovely.

[cbayer]

36. I don't want to fight with you.

I just hate it when a story that is wrong is used to damage one of our candidates.

I have just one question.

Did you post about it the day you heard it?

[CoffeeCat]

41. Conversely, I hate it when Hillary supporters...

..bury their heads in the sand and make excuses for really awful behavior.

You say you don't want to argue, yet you are completely ignoring the fact
that Rush Limbaugh is very openly trying to derail our Democratic primaries.

This isn't just Limbaugh either. Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck are urging
their listeners to switch party registration and "hold their noses" and vote
for Hillary.

That's quite disgusting, don't you think?

For Bill Clinton to interview with Mark Davis on the Rush Limbaugh show--while
this election stealing is happening--is outrageous.

Rush Limbaugh's efforts to create false results in our Dem primaries---helps
Bill and Hillary Clinton. Yet, we're all supposed to believe that Bill's
interview, that was aired during Rush's show--is just some big misunderstanding?

I've been discussing Limbaugh's actions and Clinton's appearance on the show for
some time, and I think the main point is that Clinton supporters really need to
wake up and ask themselves if they really want to align themselves with a Dem
candidate who will sidle up to right-wing hate radio personalities who are attempting
to thwart our elections and create a false result.

Well, do you? Do you condone what Rush is doing?

Do you hear Bill Clinton expressing outrage about being a part of this? No,
because he was happily a part of this.

[cbayer]

46. Rush Limbaugh is scum who would do anything to destroy the democratic party.

Including this.

Consider that Bill Clinton might have possibly been used in this scenario.

Your point about Bill Clinton not taking a stand about it is something that I need to consider. And I appreciate your making that point.

But, fundamentally, I do not believe that Bill Clinton is conspiring with Rush Limbaugh.

Just can't go there.

[MonkeyFunk]

74. What you heard on Limbaugh's show

was a replaying of an interview conducted earlier that day on the Mark Davis show in Texas.

You're spreading a lie, and using Rush Limbaugh as your source. Despicable.

[creeksneakers2]

106. How could you listen to Limbaugh for that long and that often

and believe a word you hear on the show or read on the website? Its all lies. Only a brainwashed dittohead could believe a word of it.

[I Have A Dream]

137. I don't have a horse in this race (although, of course, I'll vote...

for whomever is our candidate), but you're exactly right.

People who believe what's on Rush's website or cite the fact that it was played on Rush's show as proof that Bill knew that it would be played on the show are obviously not really aware of the way that Rush works. :(

[syberlion]

128. Psychological issues...

If it is a given that Bill Clinton didn't know Mark Davis would be substituting for Rush, then the fact that Mark Davis was able to re-play the interview for a nationally syndicated show of a person (Rush) advocating crossing party lines to continue the "bloodying" of the opposition candidate is quite the coup.

THAT is the issue here. On the very day of the primary in Texas and Ohio, after weeks of pushing the cross-over agenda to the voting republicans, to have the very voice of the candidate's spouse being broadcast nationally as a auditory reminder of this agenda... well...

See, the issue here is, and has always been with the republicans is perception. The perception, on the day of the primary, is hearing the voice of Bill Clinton on the very show advocating for the cross-over voting strategy.

The perception is crystal clear. It's the old politics of a wink and a nod, we may not agree but we can agree as long as it helps us in the short-run.

Mark Davis is a well known right-wing radio personality. Dallas is a major media market. Mark Davis has filled-in for Rush in the past. These are known facts.

Granted, due to the deregulation in media there are few progressive or even middle-of-the-road media outlets for candidates, or their surrogates, to reach a large audience. Even taking that into consideration, I find the coincidence factor too high for such a lofty position, that of running for a national office.

As a chess player, I recognize a sacrificial move to get to a greater position. I also recognize nothing in this primary season is or will be a "surprise." The stakes are very high and the reward is very great. Look at how much the current occupants of the WH have reaped financially and personally.

Let me repeat that, Nothing in this primary season is or will be a surprise. Good chess players see several moves ahead. Great chess players see twenty and thirty moves ahead. Anyone within the higher campaign staff saying "I had know idea that would happen" is lying.

There is a traitor in the Democratic camp and they are the DLC. They are the functional operative of the right-wing agenda, if not in kind, certainly in deed. How this is acceptable to all those affiliated and associated with the Democratic Party I can only surmise it is because of the acceptance of the traitors still occupying the WH. If you can't beat 'em join 'em?

The bottom line is, to feign ignorance is to accept the current state of affairs (heh, funny word to use with Bill...). To feign indignation over the use of the interview is to blind yourself to a very old political ploy of stuffing the ballot box with false votes.

The reality is being distorted by the M$M, and by the cross-over voting and by those unwilling or unable to step back and take a look at the larger picture.

We are angry. We are pissed. Let's not be the buffalo being stampeded off a cliff. How many of us can say we've made good decisions in the heat of the moment? Passion is a good thing to have, it gets you up an motivated, however critical thinking is needed.

That's all I have to say for now. Thank you.

[PetraPooh]

43. Okay, I am inclined to believe you, but if the Rush links aren't satisfactory;

can you provide a link to your version of the truth for analysis?

[cbayer]

47. Very reasonable request.

http://www.wbap.com/Article.asp?id=606119&spid=6051

posted at 9:58 AM, well before the limbaugh show aired.

He was interviewed on another show in the morning. It was replayed on the Limbaugh show.

[PetraPooh]

49. I have dial up, so I ask, is this interview word for word (promos and such aside)

the same as the one presented on the Rush Limbaugh show?

[cbayer]

51. It's not the interview.

It's a link to the radio stations website.

[PetraPooh]

52. Then what is it? A promo? Whatever it is, how does it validate your POV?

[cbayer]

53. Request no longer reasonable. nt.

[PetraPooh]

56. Not reasonable? You said it wasn't the interview, but the link clearly states

"click here" to listen to full interview. So then when asked to clarify how it would validate your POV, you run? Thanks for clearing up the lack of validity of your POV.

[cbayer]

57. OK, perhaps I did not understand your question.

The link is to a web page posted early in day of question (9:58AM) commenting on the interview with Mark Davis on the Mark Davis show.

This was well before the Limbaugh show.

Mark Davis subbed for Limbaugh later that day and played the tape.

A tape of Bill Clinton being interviewed was played on the Limbaugh show.

Bill Clinton was not ON the Limbaugh show.

To believe otherwise is to be a Limbaugh tool.

[PetraPooh]

61. So let me ask more clearly, if I had broadband and could click the link,

without it taking all night to load and then click the links provided by the OP; would I find that the interview claiming to have been updated at 9:48am before the RL program was the same interview that was played during the RL show later in the day?

[cbayer]

62. Correct. nt.

[CoffeeCat]

63. Your post is nonsensical garbage...

The LAST thing I am is a "Rush Limbaugh tool."

I've spoken out against Rush, and I've written several newspaper opinion
columns that criticize Limbaugh.

Clearly, I'm looking at the facts:

--Limbaugh has been very openly lobbying his listeners to vote for Clinton, in an effort to "bloody up Obama."
--Limbaugh kicked his 'Vote for Clinton' campaign into high gear during the Texas/Ohio campaigns.
--Bill Clinton did an interview with Mark Davis, a right-wing wacko radio host--and the interview ran on
Rush's show, the day of the Texas/Ohio primaries.

Rush needed Clinton to fan the flames and incite his listeners to vote for Clinton.
Clinton needed Rush to incite his listeners to vote for Clinton.

The handwriting on the wall is rather large and written in neon---in case you want to open
your eyes and read it for yourself.

[cbayer]

65. Good night TwoSparkles

Looking forward to your next post on another topic brought up in your OP;

"Vince Foster was really killed in a DC apartment owned by Hillary Clinton"

[CoffeeCat]

67. Rush Limbaugh said that....

...and the fact that Bill Clinton would cozy up to
a rabid Limbaugh--in order to score some votes, demonstrates
just how low the Clintons have sunk.

I won't be posting on the Foster stuff that Rush said. It's bunk, just
like most of the stuff that Rush has alleged about the Clintons for
all of these years.

It's too bad that the Clintons are so willing to link hands and work
in tandem with a rabid, right-wing, radio host who has done them so
much harm.

It's perverted.

Good night.

[Andromeda]

98. It's clear that you are an operative,

in cahoots with Axlerod pushing lies daily about Hillary and Bill Clinton. You are the worst kind of human being and you disgust me.

[tkmorris]

81. I cannot STAND Ms. Clinton. But.........

Either you are very dense or you are one of the greatest obfuscation artists in history. You CONSTANTLY act as if you simply cannot understand what people are saying to you, and repeat your (provably, and proven, wrong) accusation that Bill Clinton was interviewed on the Rush Limbaugh show.

Limbaugh could play a tape of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, but it wouldn't mean King was on his show. It's a tape. Granted, the interviewer on the tape was the same guy who acted as guest host for Limbaugh that day, but the interview was not done for Limbaugh's program. You get that right? You do understand that Bill Clinton did NOT, in any way, agree to be interviewed by, or for, Rush Limbaugh?

See, this is why I think Skinner ought to just nuke this whole forum from orbit and start over. It serves no useful purpose; there is no rational discussion of issues or comparison of candidates here at all. Just mindless accusation and innuendo. Even once some particularly egregious slander has been disproven the thread goes on as if it never happened. *SQUAWK* "OBAMA IS A HOMOPHOBE!" *SQUAWK* "HILLARY IS A REPUBLICAN!" *SQUAWK*

It's ridiculous. Grow the fuck up, all of you.

[SwampG8r]

85. davis was

known at least 21 hrs in advance as the host on 3/4
it was announced the previous day at close of the rl show
so again i ask how clinton didnt know where davis was going to work later the same day?
he knew exactly where davis was going and the fact that to this very day clinton has not made one sound of objection to the use of the interview IMO verifies that he did indeed know
i wonder if the reason he hasnt objected is because he made SURE it would end up on rl show and it is provable by rl staff

[creeksneakers2]

108. Even if it was announced

Would the Clinton have somebody on the staff following to check for something like that? Clinton did 55 radio interviews that day. Does he have a thorough FBI background check run on everybody he gives an interview to? So what if one was right wing? Obama went on Hannity and nobody is complaining about that.

The question isn't how Clinton could be uniformed. The question is how is he supposed to know.

[MonkeyFunk]

75. It's a link to the WBAP website

that has the interview available. Yes, it's the same exact interview that aired later that day on the Rush Limbaugh show.

Ask yourself this: Why did nobody notice this until a week after the fact? Not one person on DU said "Hey! Why is Bill Clinton on the Rush Limbaugh show today?!??!"

No, it was only a week after the fact when notorious right-wing liar Andrew Sullivan posted about it that this lie spread, and useful tools for the right here on DU continue to spread it.

[SwampG8r]

86. maybe no one asked because

no one was surprised by it?

[bvar22]

24. Oh. I get it now.

:think:

Bill was just duped into campaigniong for Hillary on Right Wing Hate Radio, and was completely fooled when his interview was actually aired on the Rush Program.....

...just like Hillary was duped into voting for the Authorization to Use Force in Iraq, and was completely fooled when Bush actually invaded Iraq.


No. I think not.
Both Bill and Hillary are pretty smart. I don't buy the excuse:
Its not their fault because they're stupid.

I agree with the OP.

[CoffeeCat]

33. I just want to point out that all of this....

muddying of the waters, done by Clinton apologists, really is absurd.

Mark Davis, who was filling in for Rush Limbaugh--is a right-wing, hate radio personality.
His show is on WBAP and airs right before the Rush Limbaugh show. Hannity follows Limbaugh.

This is one, big concerted effort.

It's not like Mark Davis is some doting liberal with a gardening program. He's a right-wing
hatemonger who comes on before Rush. Rush also picked him to be his guest host the day of
the Bill Clinton interview---the day that Rush was sick.

Bill Clinton was interviewed by Davis and I have not heard Bill Clinton complain one iota
about the interview, the tainted election results in which Hillary won votes due to Limbaugh's
shenannigans.

Bill Clinton decided to jump in the fray and play "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" game--
by participating in this interview on the Rush Limbaugh show.I

I'm just pointing out how revolting all of this is and how the Clintons don't care at all
about our party or about the half of the party that they are eviscerating.

....just clarifying, and thanks for your kind comments.

[cbayer]

40. I challenge you to show anything that indicates that I am part of a concerted campaign.

I hate smear tactics about any of our democratic candidates.

[guruoo]

130. RW says it, agents provocateur and their 'useful idiots' in the BO camp

parrot it.

[pollo poco]

138. Thanks Monkey Funk

Jeez- how many times do you have to say it?

There's enough bad stuff about the Clintons without having to make shit up.

What is the matter with the people on this thread?

[FyurFly]

6. FAIL!

[meow mix]

9. K&R

[MindMatter]

21. I disagree with the premise

You seem to be starting from the premise that Clinton and Limbaugh are strange bedfellows. I don't accept that at all. They both have a strongly vested interest in maintaining the political status quo in this country. They are on the same team, just as Bush and Osama bin Laden are on the same team. They both want the same things, and they both recognize the other helps them achieve it.

[PetraPooh]

44. Excellent and accurate POV

[HughMoran]

26. "when you get into trouble, just bring up Clinton"

Ed Shultz to RIGHT WING RADIO HOSTS who had tried to pull a "Bill Clinton" when they were unable to find any good arguments for McCain.

[krawhitham]

27. Someone posts about this just about everyday

[Zhade]

28. Just like McLame to bush - no self-respect.

How can he associate with a lying douche bag like limbaugh?

[MonkeyFunk]

76. He hasn't.

Anybody with common sense will read this thread and know the OP is a lie, created by Rush Limbaugh, spread by Andrew Sullivan.

Bill Clinton did not go on the Rush Limbaugh show.

[SwampG8r]

87. thats really not very fair is it?

i mean a douchebag has a reason to exist

[casus belli]

30. What I don't understand is how shows like his can be so biased toward the GOP

Yet not be subject to the restriction placed on political advertisements. They are nothing more than GOP commercials for hours every day under the guise of "talk-radio". I have yet to hear a topic they discuss that isn't somehow turned into either an endorsement for the GOP or a candidate, or an indictment of anything left of center.

[Major Hogwash]

35. Question: Did Rush need Bubba or did Bubba need Rush more on that day?

Bubba needed Rush more on that day.

Because Rush was more powerful than Bubba because he has a nationwide system for spewing his right-wing bullshit!!!

[MonkeyFunk]

77. Rush needed to incite

idiots who believe his lies, and that includes people on the right and the left.

Bill Clinton did not appear on the Rush Limbaugh show, anymore than Obama has appeared on it because Rush may play a clip of him speaking somewhere else.

[Major Hogwash]

111. Limbaugh has a huge audience and when Bubba was on his radio program,

He sold his soul.

Bubba is now more worthless than Hillary.

[emilyg]

42. Obama went on Fox.

So what?

[CoffeeCat]

50. The main point isn't that Bill Clinton was interviewed...

...on Rush Limbaugh.

If Bill Clinton had an interview air on the Limbaugh show three years ago, I might
find it curious, but I wouldn't be outraged. I've heard other Dems on Rush's show.
I've never said a word, because that's not what this is about.

What is completely unacceptable and disgusting--on the part of Bill Clinton is that
he is participating in Rush Limbaugh's orchestrated effort to mess with our Democratic
primaries.

As stated repeatedly, Rush has launched a campaign which encourages his listeners to
switch their Republican registration to Democrat and vote Hillary--to "bloody up Obama"
and "keep the Democratic chaos going."

Bill Clinton appeared on Rush Limbaugh's show--and was interviewed by Mark Davis--the DAY OF
the Texas/Ohio Democratic primaries. The days leading up to these primaries, Rush
strongly encouraged his listeners to vote for Clinton.

It's not that Bill Clinton was on the Rush Limbaugh show. It's that Bill Clinton participated
in Rush Limbaugh's underhanded, disgusting attempt to create a false result in our primaries--by stuffing
the ballot boxes with fake votes for Hillary. Bill Clinton knew that his presence on the Limbaugh
show that day would serve to further incite Rush listeners into voting for Hillary.

That's what this is about.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. No, Bill Clinton did not go on the Rush Limbaugh show

he went on the Mark Davis show in Texas. Hours after the interview was recorded, it was replayed on the Rush Limbaugh show.

A lie is a lie, no matter how often you repeat it.

[Leo 9]

127. The interview was done by a Limbaugh clone in order that it would be run on the Limbaugh show.

I hope Clinton looses her Senate seat in the next primary.

[rinsd]

102. Even when moving the goalposts, you still lie.

"It's not that Bill Clinton was on the Rush Limbaugh show."

But he wasn't despite your insistence in the face of people telling you otherwise.

[better tomorrow]

60. I remember the Chelsea--dog comment....

That was the day that I stopped listening to Rush....

I am not a Hillary supporter, but you don't EVER make fun of a child....especially a grown man. How easily Bill forgot, huh?

[MonkeyFunk]

80. If Bill Clinton had gone on the Limbaugh show

you might have a point.

But he didn't, so you don't.

[ForeignSpectator]

94. Not sure but didn't mccain make fun of chelsea, too?

Her mother forgot quickly, too...

[Major Hogwash]

113. What Chelsea-dog comment?

What are you talking about?

[cbayer]

64. I am going to leave now.

I predict that people will continue to post responses to your OP without ever asking if it is true is not.

That makes me very uneasy about our future.

[biglefthander]

66. From what I have read...

The Texas Democrats estimate 120,000 Republicans crossed over to vote for Hillary in the primary. Hillary won the primary by less than 105,000 votes. Republicans who cross over for Obama are generally expected to vote for him in the GE. Not the case for Hillary. This was a Limbaugh hit job, and Bill Clinton encouraged it, at least.

Hillary supporters must be so proud. You are now officially in league with Rush Limbaugh and the Dittoheads.

Talk about winning ugly. :puke:

[HamdenRice]

88. Bill Clinton has been suckered on the radio before -- bad judgement

I don't have a dog in this fight, and haven't heard the tape. But I do know that Bill Clinton has been suckered on the radio before. On election day 2000, he was interviewed by Amy Goodman in Pacifica Radio, and seemed to not have on iota of one clue about what Pacifica Radio was or who Amy Goodman was.

He was calling into local radio stations around the country making a last minute pitch for Al Gore.

Amy aggressively questioned the sitting president on topics he normally did not address, except with talking points, such as "Leonard Peltier, racial profiling, the Iraqi sanctions, the death penalty, Ralph Nader and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." I heard that interview live that morning.

What struck me was that once you get Clinton talking he really can't shut up because he honestly wants to respond to whatever is thrown at him. He went on and on in a way that was both funny and undignified.

I can see him getting suckered on the radio, especially in a call in.

[MadHound]

89. This is all part of a pattern

They realize that they have a weak candidate in McCain, so they are trying to throw the primaries to Hillary, since she is the weakest candidate the Democrats have. That's why, over the past year, we've seen notorius RWers coming out for Hillary, people like Murdoch, Limbaugh, Coulter, Buchanan, etc. etc. And they're being successful from what the exit polls are saying. Many, many crossover Republicans voting in primaries, all to get Hillary nominated. The thing is, these same folks will abandon her in the general election, and given Hillary's high negatives, she'll lose, badly.

[LostinVA]

90. Good grief, how many times a week does this have to be debunked?

[Lugnut]

92. Very stinky.

x(

[redqueen]

95. No, he didn't. His interview with Mark Davis was aired on Rush's show.

When you distort reality to try to score political points, you don't do yourself or your argument any favors.

[mod mom]

99. I spoke with an elderly Af Am woman who came into the Obama office where I was today.

This woman was probably in her mid to late 60's and came in to volunteer. She said how she had trusted Bill Clinton for trying to help blacks in the past-she used the quote "first black president", now she she's him as"destroying his legacy" and taking advantage of the situation to promote his own interests. She commented on how the clintons have ruined thier chances with the Af Am community. I told her it wasn't only within the Af Am community but that many whites are equally appalled and disgusted at their tactics. She had never heard of Chris Matthews or Hardball but I told her how Matthews used the statistic 20% of Dems will either stay home or vote for someone else before voting for Hillary. She said she was hurt by what the Clintons were doing.

[parkeradison]

100. Regarding Clinton and Limbaugh

You nailed it! It's all about winning and power when it comes to the Clintons.

[FreeState]

101. But yet somehow Obama having an Ex-gay terrorist speak at his event was okay n/t

[KamaAina]

131. Terrorist?

Douchebag, certainly. But terrorist? Has McClurkin attempted to blow up any buildings, or assassinate anyone?

[FreeState]

134. If you had grown up in an anti-gay church you would know its spiritual terrorism

to tell someone God will not accept them for whom they are. Its terrorism in the highest order.

[Megahurtz]

104. Kick.

[Richard D]

107. Need I say a word?

[cbayer]

117. So what?

What's your point?

They are pictures.

[Richard D]

124. Just pictures for sure

Of Bill and george Sr. playing golf together. Hanging out, being buddies. Quite a bit different from formal occasions on stage or at public events. No?

[cbayer]

125. A lot of business is done on the golf course.

That's why I learned to play.

And I play with a lot of people who are by no means my buddies.

I see your point, but the pictures don't make it for you.

It's as false an assumption as this OP.

[cbayer]

109. The OP. It's a lie and it's perverse.

It's hard to see so many people lap this up without using any critical thinking skills.

I have no problem with it rising to the top of the page, however, because it shines a light on those that are being used.

[frazzled]

110. My criticial thinking skills tell me: I don't care WHICH right-wing hate show he went on

I'm just kind of shocked he went on a right-wing radio show.

Mark Davis, Rush LImbaugh? It's all the same to me. Those who are trying to draw distinctions are the ones who appear to lack critical thinking skills. It's a distinction without a difference.

[cbayer]

112. Howdy frazzled!

This is what my research says about Mark Davis (admittedly, from Wikipedia):

Davis describes himself as a libertarian, opposing smoking bans, religious indoctrination in public education, and illegal immigration. However, he also supports the War on Terror and stops short of embracing drug legalization.

Hardly the description of someone with a right-wing hate show. But, honestly, I've never heard him.

My understanding, though I don't have any links to support it, is that he is very, very popular in Dallas and that Bill Clinton did just about every radio talk show in town that day.

I maintain that the OP is a lie.

:hi:

[frazzled]

132. Don't know what the howdy's for: but, Davis is right-wing

The station he is on--WBAP 820 AM-- has an all right-wing lineup: Paul Harvey, Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc.; he is on the regular substitute list for Limbaugh. I'm not sure what you don't get about that.

Perhaps you don't think Sean Hannity is right wing?

[cbayer]

135. Just being friendly.

I am the sort that believes it is possible to have a civil discussion with someone with whom I disagree.

I have one question. Have you ever heard him? I have not and you may be right. But anyone who thinks for half a second can see that the title and OP are smears without legitimate basis and being used exclusively to try and harm a democratic candidate. It's a lie.

The author of this OP claims to have heard the Clinton interview that day. I asked if she had posted about it at the time. She didn't answer me. I am curious as to why that is.

You may object to Bill Clinton having had a radio interview on a RW show. Ok, but it wasn't Limbaugh. Has Obama had interviews on RW shows? Oh yeah, he has.

PS: Sean Hannity is not only RW, he's ugly and stupid. OK?

[creeksneakers2]

119. Obama went on Sean Hannity

Obama advertises on wingnut stations too for GOP crossovers. I don't see anything wrong with that. Why can't our side try to snatch a few voters from their side? Why can't the left respond anywhere in (almost) the entire medium of radio?

[rosesaylavee]

115. self delete

[CubicleGuy]

116. It's all about winning?

If winning is all that matters, then I suppose we should take the meaning of "all" completely literally, and go with the idea that there should be no idea so heinous that it shouldn't be implemented if it means the difference between winning and losing. That would seem to be a fair restatement of Republican principles these days, so what's good for the goose ought to be good for the gander, right?

And just to make it absolutely clear, "all" being completely inclusive, no holds barred, then there would seem to be plenty of things included there that would no doubt make the Secret Service pretty dang nervous.

So, Rush, is it really "all" about winning, or are there some lines that are still not to be crossed?

Is winning really the paramount, overriding concern for Republicans?

[Yes We Did]

118. Yes, I get it... That's why I support Obama no matter what

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

120. Where's the Clinton Vs. Rush interview????

This is frickin' bait and switch.

I really, really wanted to hear Pres. Clinton interviewed by Limbaugh.

I suppose I'll have to wait forever or at least until Limbaugh is willing to walk that plank.

[Stephanie]

122. I had no idea

Thanks for posting - beyond belief.

[Not Sure]

123. Mark Davis is a fascist cocksucker who poisons DFW airwaves

If the Clintons didn't know that already, I'd be very surprised. Make a deal with these RW bastards and they fuck you. They play softball in your face and tell everyone later how they trounced you.

Fuck Rush.

Fuck Mark Davis.

Vote Democratic in the fall, even if you have to bite your lip and squeeze your eyes shut to do it.

[Why Syzygy]

129. Yes. And who better to pimp Hillary than Bill. It all makes sense, doesn't it.

[Medusa]

133. Why not? The Clintons are GOP-Lite

these days. And they apparently have decided running a Rovian campaign is totally fine. This is why I cannot and will not vote for her if she's the nominee.

[The Doctor.]

136. Great thread!

:popcorn:

[autorank]

139. This is no surprise.

Just think back to what was done from 1992 to 2000. Some of it was very ugly, very significant
and ugly - trashing welfare,pushing through NAFTA, and the deadly Iraq embargo. It wasn't all
failed health plans and impeachment.

[defendandprotect]

142. Bill Clinton on Rush is disgusting --- most of us are trying to "Flush Rush" . .. !!!

[apocalypsehow]

143. *Kickety-kick*

:kick:

[BREMPRO]

144. WTF!? i'm speechless. I knew the cLintons were dirty players, but R-LIMPBALLS! the devil himself?

[AlphaCentauri]

145. The perverse Mr. Limbaugh needs the Clintons

that's how he became a RW celebrity, telling tales about them every single day.

[OzarkDem]

146. Already debunked

You're making yourself look ridiculous by trying to keep this going.