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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:19 PM
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I'm Sorry... But You Would Have To Be Total Liar, A Total Buffoon...
A Major History Buff Nincompoop, Or A Closet Racist...

To not see the importance and value of yesterday's speech by Barack Obama.

Other's agree...

Below are reactions to Barack Obama's "A More Perfect Union" speech:

The New York Times' editorial, entitled "Mr. Obama's Profile In Courage":


Inaugural addresses by Abraham Lincoln and Franklin D. Roosevelt come to mind, as does John F. Kennedy's 1960 speech on religion, with its enduring vision of the separation between church and state. Senator Barack Obama, who has not faced such tests of character this year, faced one on Tuesday. It is hard to imagine how he could have handled it better.


The Corner, Charles Murray:


I read the various posts here on "The Corner," mostly pretty ho-hum or critical about Obama's speech. Then I figured I'd better read the text (I tried to find a video of it, but couldn't). I've just finished. Has any other major American politician ever made a speech on race that comes even close to this one? As far as I'm concerned, it is just plain flat out brilliant--rhetorically, but also in capturing a lot of nuance about race in America. It is so far above the standard we're used to from our pols.... But you know me. Starry-eyed Obama groupie.

The Politico, Ben Smith:


A smart colleague notes that this speech is the polar opposite of this year's other big speech on faith, in which Mitt Romney went to Texas to talk about Mormonism, but made just one reference to his Mormon faith.


Obama mentions Wright by name 14 times.


TPM, Josh Marshall:


I think I have to dissent from David's view that Obama didn't bring his A-game to the speech this morning. I was only able to listen/watch out of the corner of my eye because I was on deadline for something else. But my sense was that the tempo and tenor was suited to the occasion. The kind of stirring delivery he's made a trademark of in his victory celebrations would not have been appropriate for the moment.


Mother Jones, David Corn:

With racial sentiments swirling in the 2008 campaign--notably, Geraldine Ferraro's claim that Barack Obama is not much more than an affirmative action case and the controversy over his former pastor's over-the-top remarks-- Senator Obama on Tuesday morning responded to these recent fusses with a speech unlike any delivered by a major political figure in modern American history. While explaining--not excusing--Reverend Jeremiah Wright's remarks (which Obama had already criticized), he called on all Americans to recognize that even though the United States has experienced progress on the racial reconciliation front in recent decades (Exhibit A: Barack Obama), racial anger exists among both whites and blacks, and he said that this anger and its causes must be fully acknowledged before further progress can be achieved. Obama did this without displaying a trace of anger himself.

Atlantic.com, James Fallows:


It was a moment that Obama made great through the seriousness, intelligence, eloquence, and courage of what he said. I don't recall another speech about race with as little pandering or posturing or shying from awkward points, and as much honest attempt to explain and connect, as this one.


Radar, Charles Kaiser:

He did it.
No other presidential candidate in the last forty years has managed to speak so much truth so eloquently at such a crucial juncture in his campaign as Barack Obama did today. And he did it by speaking about race, the most persistent source of hatred among us since America began.

It turns out that a candidate for president with a white mother and a black father has a capacity that no one else has ever had before: he can articulate an equal understanding of black racism and white racism --and that makes it possible for him to condemn both of them with equal passion.



Atlantic.com, Andrew Sullivan:


But I do want to say that this searing, nuanced, gut-wrenching, loyal, and deeply, deeply Christian speech is the most honest speech on race in America in my adult lifetime. It is a speech we have all been waiting for for a generation. Its ability to embrace both the legitimate fears and resentments of whites and the understandable anger and dashed hopes of many blacks was, in my view, unique in recent American history.


The American Prospect, Kate Sheppard:


Obama's much-anticipated speech on race today hit the appropriate tone not just for addressing the Jeremiah Wright flap, but for framing the relevance of his candidacy in general. It was best in the way it framed the discomfort and resentment in the discussion of race in America that has lead to a "racial stalemate" for so many years, and made race "a part of our union that we have not yet made perfect."


Again... if this nomination is in ANY WAY taken from Barak Obama, in ANYTHING that looks like a political coup...

Watch the fuck out. The Democrats will lose the majority of, the Black Vote, the Progressive\Liberal Vote, and definitely MY VOTE!!!

:evilfrown:





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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:21 PM
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1. Obama's speech pleased the wine and cheese crowd but not others
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 PM
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3. Funny, I'm piss poor, and my best friend is a forktruck driver.
We both loved it.

Back to your drawing board...crayons and all.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:26 PM
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4. I am very poor and I loved that speech.
Forkboy is pretty cool too.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:26 PM
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5. Yes, clearly it failed to resonate with the moonshine drinkers. /nt
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:27 PM
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7. I'm more of a beer and chips kind of person
and I liked it


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM
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In at two minutes. Not bad, but not a record, either.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:30 PM
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11. Dumb post and it insults people's judgment
no matter what their economic status is:beer:
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:30 PM
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12. "Wine and cheese crowd"? OMG, what have we become
I'm getting more and more ill at these categories we're all putting each other in.

David
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:31 PM
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13. Your one liners are SENSATIONAL!
We are all discussing them now over a magnum of Pinot and a wheel of Muenster!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:44 PM
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22. LOL !!!
Don't we have a poster named Muenster???

:rofl::hi::rofl:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 PM
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26. You mean Herman?
:rofl:

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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:35 PM
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15. The wine and cheese crowd are the opinion leaders.
Now, if they can shame the major media outlets and voices of all types to realize this line of attack is wrong headed and empty, then he will have succeeded.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:43 PM
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21. Well, well, well, you're just
lying. What's up with that?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:53 PM
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27. my mother in law, who lives in a subsidized retirement home
and whom we have to support financially every month -- and who has never spoken to me about politics -- sent me a link to the speech and a video of it yesterday.

Maybe you ought to broaden your circle.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 PM
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33. I don't drink alcohol and I loved it.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:14 PM
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34. Come on back double D...we'll be nice.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:17 PM
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36. Would that be French wine or California wine, or New York wine? And are
we talkin' Wisconsin cheese or the cheese of Julie Andrews in THE SOUND OF MUSIC -- the Swiss know a thing or two about cheese, let me tell you.

Oh, and that speech yesterday? It was a masterpiece.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM
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38. do you understand that calling a whole group of people stupid,
which you are doing with your working class is too stupid to get it jibe is as bad as anything out there. God. Leave the working class alone. They get a helluva lot.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:21 PM
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2. Obama is a GEM! nt
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:27 PM
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6. The nomination is his? If he bombs in the states that are left
you better believe the Superdelegates will do the right thing.

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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM
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8. He's the next president. McCain & Co. are trembling at the thought of facing Obama.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:42 PM
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20. Clinton is up 26pts in this latest poll from public policy
polling in Pennsylvania.

caution pdf- http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Penn_Release_031708.pdf

I don't think anyone's worried about him now that the country is learning about crazy Uncle Wright.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM
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39. If he bombs, as you put it, the superdelegates are honor bound to
follow the lead of their states vote. It would be political suicide if they don't. And anything less is undemocratic. But that doesn't matter to some. Winning at all costs is the goal, even if you have to sell your soul to the devil.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM
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9. self delete
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM by stop the bleeding
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM
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10. Why begin by calling people liars and buffoons?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM by elleng
Don't you want a conversation? Why else post here?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:31 PM
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14. "Or A Closet Racist.."
You just lost every ounce of credibility you might have had....

Sad.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:39 PM
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16. I agree, a person could be all of those things. The "or" should be "and/or".
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:40 PM
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18. Damn... Didn't Know I Was Down To My Last Ounce...
:hippie:

You do understand English, correct???

"You Would Have To Be Total Liar, A Total Buffoon... A Major History Buff Nincompoop, Or A Closet Racist..."

To not see the importance and value of yesterday's speech by Barack Obama.

You mean, you are so sour, that you cannot admit to the importance of this speech???

So much for your political judgment and advice.

:wtf:



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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 PM
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29. Hey, I thought it was a fine speech -I've said so here and other forums
where I've embedded youtube so others could see it.

My post was directed at what seemed to be the implication that Clinton supporters are somehow "closet racists"

Perhaps I jumped the gun and misinterpreted-

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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:00 PM
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31. Are you not familiar with the "or" conjunction?
Seriously.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:39 PM
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17. k & r
I would never have thought that there was any way I wouldn't vote for the Democrat.
But if Obama wins, and the nomination is taken from him, I really don't know if I can vote.
If they disregard our votes in the primary, why should we give them our votes in the G.E?

If Hillary Clinton were to win the nomination fair and square, I would be happy to vote for her.
I just don't see how that could happen now
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:41 PM
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19. BINGO !!!
:yourock:

:hi:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 PM
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30. I think that's right.
If she wins fair and sqare, that's one thing. But nobody owes her anything.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:44 PM
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23. If Obama wins the nomination, we ALL lose. He will not win the GE. You think this is a shitstorm
now?

Fish your brain out of the Kool-Aid! What's been said about him now, the uncovered tapes and connections are just the tip of the RPG's that will be fired by the right if he were the nominee. He will not - win - the presidency.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:45 PM
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24. And I'm Sure You'll Be RIGHT There To Assist...
:puke:
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 PM
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37. I would rather go down in flames with Obama then to sellout.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 PM by landonb16
doesn't matter anyways, he will when the GE.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:50 PM
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25. I agree.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 PM by screembloodymurder
This time ... it's Obama.
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rodriguez94 Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 PM
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28. Must you be so condescending and hateful??
"Again... if this nomination is in ANY WAY taken from Barack Obama, in ANYTHING that looks like a political coup...

Watch the fuck out. The Democrats will lose the majority of, the Black Vote, the Progressive\Liberal Vote, and definitely MY VOTE!!!"


I find this rather threatening for someone who supports a candidate of hope and unity.

Supporters like you are his biggest problem.

The speech was very good, make me cry abit.

But then I spent just a few minutes on DU listening to the crap spewed from the likes of you and I once again, just can't bring myself to vote for him. Nah, can't do it.

Hillary all the way unless of course Al or John pull off a major concession at the convention and either of them walk away with the nomination.

Quite frankly at this point, that would be my preference.





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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:06 PM
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32. Condescending And Hateful Are Two Of My Better Traits !!!
:bounce::evilgrin::bounce:

:hi:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:16 PM
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35. Obama's address was good enough to provoke Lincoln's ghost to
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:16 PM by Old Crusoe
stir, and listen, and nod his head yes.


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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:09 PM
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40. It is clear the RW media is pushing the Wright issue much more than the vast
majority of people are interested in. The ones who didn't like the speech are those kinds of news outlets that would have found something objectionable no matter what. The lockstep followers of those opinion-shows therefore fall in line. I doubt that objective freethinkers found the speech unimportant. Media is pushing this issue, not people.

Ooooo...he didn't distance himself enough....he rejected statements but he didn't reject the man....he sat in the pews therefore he must agree with his pastor's most extreme views....

...all this sounds small and trite, like B*sh's "he forgot about Poland!" gotcha attempt.
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