Obama's war resolution: Good thing he couldn't get this one thru....

[elixir]

Obama's war resolution

Obama co sponsored "The Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007." which states:


“(14) the United States should designate the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, which purveys terrorism throughout the Middle East and plays an important role in the Iranian economy, as a foreign terrorist organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act, place the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of specially designated global terrorists, and place the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps on the list of weapons of mass destruction proliferators and their supporters; “

Although this bill didn’t pass, we should mention it anyway. In fact, we should shout it from the rooftops and so should Hillary. This is the cornerstone of Obama's attack on HRC, she voted for the IWR, and here is Obama making the same bad, but, worse because we know we don't want to go to war w/ Iran.

[AX10]

1. k/r

[gabeana]

7. I think I linked to it

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:2:./temp/~c110PdbG7I:e0:

he's not listed as introducing the bill

[ElsewheresDaughter]

2. he has them all duped

[Drachasor]

12. Edit: Explicitely denies permission to use military force

Section 2:
(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-970

[Zhade]

3. Why are you posting a lie?

Here's the link that you conveniently ommitted:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.01400:

Obama's not the sponsor, nor is he a cosponsor.

Your post is a blatant lie.

[gabeana]

5. The link doesn't seem to be taking me

to the bill

[DUyellow]

6. link didnt work for me.... Add ":" to the end of the address and it will work... working link here

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.01400:

[elixir]

8. Oops, link not working. let me know when you get that fixed. In the meantime,

Obama co sponsored the bill.

[rug]

10. He cosponsored it April 24, 2007.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00970:@@@P

[dailykoff]

11. Along with 70 other US Senate cosponsors.

There's also language in this bill explicitly preventing it from being used as an excuse to start a war.

[rug]

15. I don't see that language.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:1:./temp/~c110ikKiMX:e2721:

[dailykoff]

32. 2 (8): "Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President

the authority to use military force against Iran."

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c110:2:./temp/~c110UMoy4E:e0:

[Drachasor]

14. That's a completely different bill than the OP's, look at the text

[rug]

24. This is S 970, Iran Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007.

Section 3

"(8) The Secretary of State should designate the Iranian Revolutionary Guards as a Foreign Terrorist Organization under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189) and the Secretary of the Treasury should place the Iranian Revolutionary Guards on the list of Specially Designated Global Terrorists under Executive Order 13224 (66 Fed. Reg. 186; relating to blocking property and prohibiting transactions with persons who commit, threaten to commit, or support terrorism)."

Is the OP rereferring to the House of Representatives' version?

[rpannier]

I found this link

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-970

seems like everyone and their second cousin was a co-sponsor, including Sen Obama and Sen Clinton

on edit: It was an economic bill rather than military

[Drachasor]

21. (Edit2: Denies use of Military Force in Section 2)

Edit 2: Missed how it is in Senate Bill, but Senate Bill also has:
(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-970


Below is a error I made:
Behold the section the OP talks about:

SEC. 14. RADIO BROADCASTING TO IRAN.

The Broadcasting Board of Governors shall devote a greater proportion of the programming of the Radio Farda service to programs offering news and analysis to further the open communication of information and ideas to Iran.



Oh wait, that's totally different

Edit: Section 3 of House Bill has this info

[rpannier]

23. I noticed that late

I edited my response to reflect that it was an economic-related bill

[Drachasor]

27. Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force

(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

In section 2 of the Senate Bill.

Missed it because I thought it was in section 14

[Drachasor]

28. Deleted

[rug]

4. 2007? Didn't he announce his candidacy in January 2007?

[maximusveritas]

9. What a joke. Hillary co-sponsored it as well

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00970:@@@P

In fact 70 Senators co-sponsored it, including many Democrats who opposed both the IWR and the Kyl-Lieberman legislation which Hillary supported.

[gabeana]

13. It was on economic sanctions not military

at least according to this, for some reason I can't cut and paste

so here is the link

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/did-obama-skip-the-iran-vote/

[Drachasor]

16. It's not the bill the OP is talking about (Edit: Ahh, I see now)

Edit: Bill explicitly says military force is not allowed

[maximusveritas]

20. I know; The OP posted the House version; The Senate version has different wording

I'm not sure if it's dishonesty or ignorance (or both) on the part of the OP.

[Drachasor]

25. Deleted

Deleted (I made a goof)

[maximusveritas]

31. Yeah, you're right, it's actually from HR 1400

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HR01400:@@@R

It has the same name as the other bills, but has the different wording.

So to sum up, Obama was a cosponsor on S.970. The House version was H.R.3390.

Then there's this other bill called H.R.1400 which is what the OP posted from. It doesn't have a companion bill in the Senate.

[Drachasor]

34. The Senate Bill seems to have the same language, but denies permission to use military force on Iran

Sorry, I didn't want to clutter up the thread with misstatements, so I edited a number of my previous posts.

[elixir]

42. You get my point, Barack and Hillary are cut from the same cloth. The both voted for this resolutio

n. Who knows what he would have done had he been in the senate in 2002.

[DUyellow]

17. Taylor Marsh misuses Obama’s co-sponsorship of the Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007.

6. Taylor Marsh misuses Obama’s co-sponsorship of the Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007.

The Counter-Proliferation Act of 2007 that Obama voted for had language that specifically stated:

Nothing in this Act shall be construed as authorizing the use of force or the use of the United States Armed Forces against Iran.

This act was about economic sanctions rather than military action, something that Obama has long advocated. It specifically checks any potential use to go to war. It also does not connect Iran with Iraq as does the Kyl-Lieberman bill.

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/10/11/did-obama-skip-the-iran-vote/

[DUyellow]

18. OP, please edit and fix your misleading post. Thank You.

[elixir]

43. It's was fucking 12:15... go to bed.

[DUyellow]

44. post a reply to your own post saying you were wrong.

[scheming daemons]

19. The OP needs to edit... the post as is, is a LIE.....

...

[C_U_L8R]

22. You Clinton people really have a problem with honesty

this is like the 10 millionth deceptive post from your camp
and all it does it perpetuate an aura of manipulative bogusness
around your candidate. Why don't you do Hillary a favor and cut it out.

And before you start in with "but Obama blah blah...", just zip it.
Your candidate has many good qualities that no one knows about...
perhaps your efforts are better spent accentuating the positive.

[k8conant]

26. This is NOT a war resolution at all...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s110-970

(7) The United States should use all political, economic, and diplomatic tools at its disposal to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapons capability.

(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

[Usrename]

29. That text is from the Kyle-Lieberman ammendment, isn't it?

Hillary voted for that, Obama wasn't even there, was he?

:wtf:

[Drachasor]

30. Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force

Section 2:
(8) Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority to use military force against Iran.

[dailykoff]

36. Bingo.

Details details.

[DUyellow]

33. Poll, Will the OP fix this post? ****** Reply here ******

[dailykoff]

35. Are you kidding?

He'll be posting it hourly for the next month.

[DUyellow]

37. That is 1 "No"

[Johnny__Motown]

39. I don't expect accuracy from Pro Clinton Posts.. put me down for a NO

[bvar22]

40. NO

Shouting out for the Truth.
The OP still has a couple of minutes to fix this.

[scheming daemons]

38. The OP is ignoring calls to fix the inaccuracies in the OP.... this proves...

that the OP is nothing more than a Clinton operative, not interested in truth.


The TRUTH is that the OP is an outright lie... proven in several instances by others in this thread.


Why won't the OP fix the thread, even after being shown repeated evidence that it is false?


Because the OP is only interested in hit-and-run threads, and not answering for his/her lack of accuracy.


One can only conclude that this misleading is WILLFUL. The OP is a liar, and the thread should be alerted and deleted.

[bvar22]

41. !

:patriot:

[Spiffarino]

45. You have had ample time to fix your false assertion

You have failed to do so, even though you've been back and forth several times.

elixir, you have proven yourself to be a very deliberate liar, and you are harming Senator Clinton in the process.

[FrenchieCat]

46. She won't fix anything.....cause disinformation is exactly

what she will do if required.

Just like some folks would vote for war for political gain and expedience. Same shit, different day.

[Forkboy]

47. Oh elixeeeeerrrrrrrr!!!! C'mon back.

:rofl: