Hillary: Blaming the victim. Contemptible

[cali]

I've talked about this a lot with friends: There's nothing more despicable re Iraq, than blaming the Iraqis for the mess that country is in. The violence, death and social chaos in Iraq is a direct result of American actions, and to blame the Iraqis for it is simply despicable. And that's what Clinton does, time after time. In the past few days, she's made one comment after another blaming the Iraqis for the mess that is Iraq. Just as she refuses to take responsibility over her vote to give chimpy a blank check to destroy, she refuses to put the blame where it rightly belongs: The United States of America. It's a cheap, easy thing to do.

Oh, and if Obama has said similar things, I condemn him for it too. Wrong is wrong.

[Saturday]

1. Then answer this question.....

Why is it that 130,000 Americans can control the country but 500,000 trained Iraqis can't?

[cali]

2. numbers of troops have nothing to do with

the FACT that we are responsible for what has happened in Iraq. And if you think that the violence there is controlled, you've swallowed the kool-aid and you aren't paying attention. I just listened to Peter Galbraith who just returned from Iraq, and he said that it's still a violent mess.

[dchill]

6. 130,000 Americans can NOT control the country...

that's why the death toll keeps rising.

[VolcanoJen]

20. 130,000 soldiers couldn't control the city of Houston.

Where on earth are you getting this idea that 130,000 US soldiers are "controlling" Iraq????

[rucky]

21. Ever considered that the security risk to Iraq might be us? n/t

[Umbram]

24. We have control of Iraq? Some HRC supporters are further to the right than I thought...(nt)

[niceypoo]

3. Post links of her blaming Iraqis please...

...

[earthside]

4. Those Ungrateful Iraqis

Hillary Clinton(s):

"And I believe that at the same time that we have to make clear to the Iraqis that they have been given the greatest gift that a human being can give another human being – the gift of freedom. And it is up to them to decide how they will use that precious gift that has been paid for with the blood and sacrifice and treasure of the United States of America."

Hillary and the Iraqi People - Political Punch Blog/ABC News

[cali]

5. Here's one

It's hardly the only one. You can do the rest of your homework yourself, poo.

"Clinton said she would rely on military experts on advice for a withdrawal, and placed part of the blame for lingering war on the Iraqi people.

"They've done so little to resolve all of their disputes," she said.



On the fifth anniversary of the war in Iraq, Hillary Clinton re-emphasized her plan to withdraw U.S. forces from the country and said “we won’t protect” the Iraqis if the their government fails to make meaningful political progress." (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/19/clinton... /)

[niceypoo]

9. Nothing in your post exists in the link you provided...

The only thing I can find on the subject is from 07 on right wing websites and it is in an entirely different context.

Looks like you need to do some homework before posting flamebait threads off the top of your head.

[cali]

11. Stick your head in the sand, hillbot

deny and lie. Other people have provided plenty of links, but of course, hillbots can't deal with facts or the truth: She blamed the Iraqis. It's disgusting.

[niceypoo]

23. Two things wrong with your little tantrum...

First, I would not vote for Hillary if my life depended on it and, as with most Obama 'supporters,' your first instinct is to attempt to smear by personal attack, AKA, http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html">the Fallacy of Ad Hominem.

Second, you still cannot provide a source for your claim, links to other threads making the same claim are meaningless, particularily when those other threads are making claims based on conjecture.

Here is the statement that the conjecture is based upon: "She said the Iraqi government has failed to create a stable political system despite the U.S. effort," which is the absolute truth, and does not blame the Iraqi people for anything. As usual, Obama supporters take something wildly out of context, then try to smear with it.

Next time, do your own 'research.'

[bunnies]

19. here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5157581&mesg_id=5157581

[flor de jasmim]

7. Slightly off-topic, but the US Embassy is also worrying...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

size, cost, implications

[Orsino]

8. Blaiming the victim is an old tradition.

As old as 1975, at least: http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/sunday/nation/ny-usark245589997feb24,0,3403116.story?page=1

[Tarc]

10. Its not wrong at all, whether it comes fm Clinton or Obama or anyone

What's going on now is a civil war of varying intensity between Sunnis an Shi'as. Bush started it (not Clinton), yes, but they have resumed their centuries-old conflict, and it has nothing to do with us.

This is why I have wanted the troops out, as we have no business or reason to be in the crossfire of a religious war. Let them duke it out to their heart's content.

[SeaLyons]

12. Please post a link

that shows Hillary blaming the people of Irag.

[cali]

13. There are plenty of links in the thread

and you know it.

[nonconformist]

14. It's a complex issue, and a lot of entities are responsible for how things are in Iraq NOW

To ignore that wouldn't be very thoughtful.

My question to those with the "we broke it, so we bought it" mentality - what do you propose we do NOW? Stay indefinitely, hoping that things will get better?

[cali]

16. No. I propose we get out and take responsibility

for what we've done by helping to engage other countries in working to make Iraq functional. And that includes Iran and Syria. We also need to pay reparations to the Iraqis and help Syria and Jordan with the financial costs of over a million refugees. And though it may indeed be complex, there is a bottom line, and the bottom line is that the invasion and occupation of Iraq are directly responsible for all the mayhem that has followed.

[Harry Monroe]

17. No, it's time to "take the training wheels" off...

...and let Iraq fend for itself. 5 years at a cost of $12 billion a month is a staggering investment of time and money. Time to take that $12 billion/month and reinvest in our tattered economy. If Iraq is not ready to take over their country by now, they never will be as long as we keep enabling them. I know we "broke it, so we bought it", but we cannot afford the payments any longer.

That being said, I will be honest and say there are no simple solutions for the Iraqis now that we have totally fucked up their country. I am an advocate of dividing Iraq into 3 separate countries, Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish. Iraq is an artificial creation anyway, cobbled together with the help of Churchill in the 1920's.

[cali]

18. I tend to agree that dividing Iraq up

is the most viable solution, but not into separate countries but into a loose confederation. Peter Galbraith has written and spoken cogently on this. And he really knows the country.

[K Gardner]

15. But I thought Hillary was the victim. ? It gets SO confusing trying to keep it straight :-)

[yodermon]

22. I wish someone would ask Hillary how she intends to help the thousands

of child prostitutes in Jordan who are Iraqi refugees.