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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:46 AM
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The media, once again, is failing us with its coverage of Wright and the Trinity Church
Let me first make clear that the clips of Wright that have been played over and over are condemned. But with that, it has been nearly a week, and we are still seeing the same clips played over and over. I am sure the media has purchased many other sermons and have gone through them.

I just have not media show any of the other 99% sermons that Wright has preached at all in the media. Or the media talking about any of the good stuff that Wright and his church have done for the poor, the underprivileged, veterans, etc.

Like they have done so many times (especially 5 years ago with the IWR), the media is again failing us. They have successfully brought down Wright and the Trinity Church (and possibly Obama) without putting anything into context. It is understandable that no one is perfect, but to destroy a man's service to this country from 1-2 minute sound-bites is equally disgusting as Wright's most controversial statements. And the media continues to imply that

If I was an African American, I would be pissed off at this media coverage also. I would see it as a double standard with the media going after a black pastor and a black church but ignoring the Pat Robertsons, Jerry Falwells, Johh Hagee's of the world. I guess it is more acceptable to say that Islam should be destroyed or that the people of New Orleans deserved Hurricane Katrina for their sins rather than say something "unpatriotic."

It is quite sad to see that the media brought down Kerry, partially brought down Kerry by never really discussing the holes in the Swift Boat claims, and now destroyed one man's life of service because of 1-2 minutes soundbites. It is him and the people of Trinity Church who have truly become the victims of the media.


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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:47 AM
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1. Did you care when the media was unfair to Clinton for months? nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:49 AM
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4. Oh, please.....
....Hillary and all her supposed experience, she did not know how to play the media. She even got by with engineering a few smears, like NAFTA and the Muslim outfit pic, and not getting outed by the MSM for her slimely conduct.

Tell your sob storry elsewhere ~~ where people are less informed and don't know the truth about your queen.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:30 AM
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20. ha ha--not outed. wonder why. cause not true and you know it
Oh, please.....
Posted by Hepburn


....Hillary and all her supposed experience, she did not know how to play the media. She even got by with engineering a few smears, like NAFTA and the Muslim outfit pic, and not getting outed by the MSM for her slimely conduct.

Tell your sob storry elsewhere ~~ where people are less informed and don't know the truth about your queen.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:19 AM
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10. Yes
I thought they were particularly unfair to her in the period between Iowa and New Hampshire, acting like her candidacy was over because she lost Iowa. They did the same thing to Dean 4 years ago and it pissed me off. I had started writing a blog post about it the day of the New Hampshire primary, but didn't finish it and then it became a moot point after she won New Hampshire.

All of us as Democrats should be concerned about the media playing these sermons over and over...this will hurt Obama in the fall if he is the nominee, and at this point we ought to be thinking about defending both of our candidates against right wing smears, since either could be the nominee. That's the only way Democrats can limit the damage of this period in which our candidates are still duking it out while Republicans are united behind McCain.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:21 AM
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15. No they do not care
But now the time for Obama has come, others do not like it.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:48 AM
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2. The right wing at work
MSM is not the 'Liberal Media'
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:48 AM
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3. I would like to email the Public Editor at the NYTs and ask
why the Times is getting its news from Fox.

And why they haven't checked out the organization Clinton belongs to.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:50 AM
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5. Sadly, this is typical of mainstream Corporate media and one reason why people trust mainstream...
media less and less...


"Poll: Americans lose faith in media
Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:27:38


A new opinion poll suggests that over 54 percent of Americans do not trust mainstream media and consider news websites more reliable.

Some 41 percent said they trust the 'Internet news and information websites' more than the press."


More: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=46837§ionid=3510203
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:57 AM
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29. The other 46% are high on drugs or Jesus.
And they are a huge threat to our country.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:50 AM
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6. Arg - Dupicate post - sorry
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 07:51 AM by glenhappy
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:51 AM
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7. The greatest words ever spoken and will be remembered forever
"No..No..No....Gaaawwwd Daaayyum Ameeerrrica"
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:20 AM
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14. Will you be happy if they are still an issue in October, if Obama is the nominee?
Or are you so concerned about winning the battle (the nomination) that you don't care about winning the war (the election)?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:12 AM
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35. Obama is unelectable. Period.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:07 AM
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8. The media's response should come as no surprise to you or anyone
else. Obama should have known when he first entertained notions about about running for POTUS that Wright was going to be a major problem for him. He should have made his speech two years ago.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:17 AM
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9. Helllllo! The media is NOT on our side they never have been
We had better get used to it and adjust accordingly.

Don
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Sweet Pea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:20 AM
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11. Sounds like you wrote his speech
complete with moral relativism.

No thank you.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:20 AM
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12. I do not agree with you
If I kill one person and found guilty, I am a murder right? Once I complete my sentence of jail time, I am still a murder. So my point is, you make racist comments, but you are a good pastor, you are stil a racist. That is the truth. No matter what you say.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:24 AM
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18. What "racist" comments do you refer to
Or are you just referring to statements that Hannity and limp-balls consider racist?
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:26 AM
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19. Are you kidding me
You have not seen the stuff Pastor Wright has been saying.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:32 AM
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22. Name one, give the whole context,
not just the 3 second sound bite.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:34 AM
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24. NP
racially charged criticisms of Hillary Clinton and suggested that the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. I guess you did not hear him say that now did.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:45 AM
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25. There are many educated foreign policy
experts who believe that our mistakes in our foreign policy are responsible for the hatred that led to 9-11. This is aa far more honest analysis than the Republican line, "they hate us for our freedoms". because you disagree with Boosh does not make you racist or un-American.

And how is it racist to say that Clinton can't fully understand what it feels like to be black in our country.

As a white middle aged straight man, I can try to put my self in the shoes of black or gay people, and I can strive to correct injustices, but I will never fully know what it feels like.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:46 AM
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34. Shhhh, you're using logic on them
It makes their brains hurt.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:29 PM
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40. You confuse logic with spin. The pastor is racist. That is not logic, just common sense.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 AM
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37. you don't even know the quotes
typical
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:30 PM
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41. Look at the media clips, I am sure you have seen them.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:35 PM
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44. I have, and I interpret them quite differently than you.
there are no foregone conclusions.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:01 PM
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47. The American People are making a conclusion.
Not a good outcome for Obama!
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 AM
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38. you don't even know the quotes
typical
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:34 PM
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43. What do the "American foreign policy helped to bring about 9/11" comments
have to do with race anyway?
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:00 AM
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30. Is that right.
I suppose you are a long time Hillary supporter, right Dittohead.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:20 AM
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13. Look at the service this church has done for their community!
I happen to think it is very patriotic to criticize problems with your country, when at the same you are doing things to correct those problems. His church has done amazing things, that of course the MSM ignores.

This man served his country as a Marine, and has served his community in countless ways. He does not deserve this treatment by those who profit from fanning the flames of bigotry and hate.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:22 AM
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16. Good one
I am sure that is what many are saying about Osama as well. The people from the Taliban. He did good things for them but he killed many Americans.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:30 AM
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21. Oh yeah, I forgot that Wright killed all those people,
And about all those people that suffered under the terrible thumb of his racist rule!

PS I think Hannity is on now, you can go get some more great honest information!
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:33 AM
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23. Please look at my comment
I was saying that once a murder always one. That is what I am saying. So take the high road here, I responding to your post. So do not pull the Sean H. stuff on me. Get a new attack method.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:55 AM
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28. I am serious
For it to be "racist", I think there must be some action or reaction attached. Real racism brought on Slavery, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, redlining in our cities, NOLA, etc, etc, etc. A few out of context statements in a couple of sermons over 30 years do not rise to the level of racism, kooky maybe, but not racism.

In no way has his church, a congregation of mixed races and part of a predominately white denomination, ever engaged in racist policies. a few out of contexts quotes are meaningless when compared to actions.
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gayron Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:31 PM
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42. So now words don't matter, I thought Obama said....just words....
Spin that one.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:33 PM
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46. Me thinks your the one spinning
Please look up the definition of racism beyond what Fox News tells you. I have heard no words from Wright that even come close.

That said, I also think it is sad that some want to paint the Clinton's racist, again quotes taken out of context or just plain made up have been used. And don't give me the crap that Wright called the Clinton's racist, he only said that they could not possibly fully understand being the victim of real racism. I hope your understanding of past injustices will allow you to understand that.

It's all false controversies pushed by a media run wild.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:23 AM
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17. It is not reporting. It is the Natl Enquirer Streaming Live. I'm truly surprised that
this has continued at the level it has and there haven't been actual protests. I think people have given up. I know I feel MY voice and opinion doesn't matter.. I think that is why Obama represents to so many of us.. Hope.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:50 AM
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26. No, The M$M Is Doing What It Always Does...
Run with the "Dean Scream", Anna Nicole Smith death, Britney meltdowns, Spitzer hooker or whatever the "sexy" video of the moment is on a non-stop loop until something else catches their attention.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:53 AM
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27. We have no independent media in this country.
They don't work for us. Everything on MSM is propaganda designed to influence our thinking.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:22 AM
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31. Were you concerned when the media
was lambasting Hillary for the past year??

As for Obama and his church affiliation, sorry, but it goes to the heart of his judgment. He's running for the Presidency, and he cannot affiliate himself with extremism and expect the American people to vote for him. Whatever his personal needs and feelings were in why he remained a part of that church is of no concern to me, but the result of that decision is him being endorsed by Farrakhan and the Black Panthers. Don't blame the media for this one. This one belongs to Obama and the decisions he's made in his personal life.

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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:23 AM
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32. The last year?
How about the last 16 years!

Dare to challenge the entrenched interests and you will be personally attacked, not on the merits of your policies or ideas as the vast majority approves progressive positions.

The Rove prescription is to divert attention to inconsequential matters and destroy.

Hillary could look noble and presidential if she defended Obama against these ignorant attacks that she herself has suffered under.

Yes, there is a vast right wing conspiracy. Please, hillary and your supporters, don't make a deal with that devil and use it for your own gain.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:42 AM
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33. I don't think the vast right wing
conspiracy has anything to do with Obama's problem. That's what is so sad and disappointing about this whole thing. Obama has no one to blame this on but himself. I don't see how Hillary or anyone else can bail him out of his decision to associate himself with Wright. Electing a president is not an inconsequential matter. We have a nominee that is being endorsed by the likes of Farrakhan and the Black Panthers. Why? Because Barack decided 20 years ago to associate himself with a radical church. Who's fault is that? It's not acceptable.
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keith the dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:19 PM
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39. The radical UCC church, there goes those pro-gay,
social justice loving Pilgrims again. They certainly don't belong in this country!!!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:17 AM
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36. are you friggin surprised? seriously? This is gonna get POUNDED.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:42 PM
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45. Someone should send Wright a blue dress...
he could pose in it...

someone could take pictures...

then there would be "evidence"...

I think most people get the picture...the cm is migrating to message boards or something.

Anyway, I feel like you do and it's really irritating. I almost feel like writing Wright...he spends most of his life trying to help and do what is right...and they attack him now?

not counting Obama and that he seems to view the world with kindnes...
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:05 PM
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48. It is newsworthy
This goes totally against everything Obama said he believed in. Something does not compute here. He had the whole nation believing he was for common causes and common interest. His 20 years sitting underneath this type of vile, hate-filled preaching is a genuine concern.
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