Hillary supports please answer this question ( serious post )

[BigD_95]

I understand why you support her and I respect your support for your choice of a candidate. I'm not asking this to start a argument so PLEASE no bashing post PLEASE!

My question is:


How can Hillary win the nomination now?

I don't see how after the rest of the states vote she could win. Its impossible for her to take over the Delegate lead.

There is a slim and I mean slim chance she can catch him in the popular vote. With FL not going to have a revote & It doesn't look like Mich. Will either.

I guess you can make a case that the Superdelegate's could give her the nod but with Obama having won the most states, popular vote, and have the most delegates there is no way that would happen.


I understand that you want your candidate to win. But we are all Dems and need to win the White House. So if there is no real way that Hillary can win isn't this whole process just dividing the party?

And the only way she could win, that I can see, is if the Superdelegate's give her the nod, which would divide the party. ( I personally would still vote for Hillary ) But lets be honest. You have to admit that would divide the party.

So my question is How can Hillary win the nomination now?

[Tarc]

1. Easy; Obama is sinking like a stone because of Wright

Clinton takes lead over Obama in Gallup poll

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton has moved into a significant lead over Barack Obama for the first time in weeks in the race for the party nomination, according to a Gallup poll.

The March 14-18 national survey of 1,209 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters gave Clinton, a New York senator, a 49 percent to 42 percent edge over Obama, an Illinois senator. The poll has an error margin of 3 percentage points.

Gallup said it was the first statistically significant lead for Clinton since a tracking poll conducted February 7-9, just after the Super Tuesday primaries. The two candidates had largely been locked in a statistical tie since then, with Obama last holding a lead over Clinton in a March 11-13 poll.

Gallup said polling data also showed presumptive Republican nominee John McCain leading Obama 47 percent to 43 percent in 4,367 registered voters' preferences for the general election. The general election survey has an error margin of 2 percentage points.

The Arizona senator also edged Clinton 48 percent to 45 percent but Gallup said the lead was not statistically significant.

- http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/pl_nm/usa_politics_gallup_dc_1

The Great Speech That Really Wasn't cannot erase the stain that this vile race-baiter has put on the Obama candidacy. So with his sinking numbers, plus strong showings by Clinton in Pennsylvania and the remaining races, and the Michigan revote, that will be more than enough momentum to sway the superdelegates back to her side.

[dchill]

3. All that being said...

how does she win it? That was the OP's question.

[Tarc]

10. If you attention span could've lasted long enough to the end of my post

you would have seen where I answered that.

[dchill]

26. I read your ENTIRE distorted post...

You don't say HOW she could win, you only say why - in your opinion. My attention span, like that of many who oppose Hillary, is just fine. The question is: HOW can she win?

[screembloodymurder]

14. Are you willing to let a vicious attack by right - wing media

determine who we nominate? I watched the speech. What's being reported is a disgrace. The right is scared shitless by Obama.

[usrbs]

23. My long shot scenario

She wins the popular vote (would have been easier if FL and MI allowed a revote), and then she has a legitimate claim to the SDs to consider voting for her. In my mind it would be just as fair as expecting them to vote for the winner of the most delegates. Actually, it would be fairer. There would undoubtedly be rancor on all sides no matter what happens if the final decision is in the hands of the SDs.

My suggestion would be for the "leaders"* of the Democratic party to draft Gore and put Obama as the VP. I'm not pleased about this, but I think it's the only way not to split the party.

* In quotes because there are none, as the past 7 years and this current fiasco have proven

[DemzRock]

2. Easy...

If it looks like BO is unelectable, and Hillary has taken PA handily, then it is up to the delagates...

Pledged delagates are not required to stay with their candidate.

PS: America is not a democracy. (Remember: 12/12/2000 - the infamous day we were all reminded that the US is not a democracy.)

[soundguy]

4. B.O. Is Finished, Sorry To Be The One To Break It To You

You see that speech did three things. The Moon Bats of the far left wet themselves over it in faux support. The far right Neocons hated it and are showing there faux anger. The middle where you have to win, from the people I talk to are deeply insulted by this whole affair and now see that there isn't much standing there but a speech reader who spent 20 years worshiping at an anti semite racist church. And before you spouting off at the mouth let me tell you this, I am blacker than Obama so you can put that in your pipe and smoke it. People like Write are doing nothing more than widening the racial divide not closing it. I choose to an American first and a (insert adjective/noun here) second.

[Fluffdaddy]

7. Thank you

[VolcanoJen]

8. Three things

What does your being "blacker than Obama" have to do with anything?

Second... moonbats? Really? Been reading Michelle Malkin lately, or something?

Third... you've made your point, but still, how does Clinton win the nomination, with fewer pledged delegates and without the popular vote?

[Hawkeye-X]

16. Yep..

I alerted the guy as soon I saw moonbats. First time I've seen anyone utter that word in DU.

[nonconformist]

5. Superdelegates are supposed to make independent decisions

If they all just pile on the person with the lead, what's the point in even having them, anyway? They could easily be persuaded to back Clinton if she makes a convincing case that she is the stronger candidate in the GE.

Now, you may not like the primary process - I don't - but that's the way it is now.

If superdelegates are only there to back up and mirror their constituents, I'm guessing that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy will start stumping for Hillary any day now...

[LizW]

12. Yes. What nonconformist said.

There is a reason for having superdelegates, and we are going to see that reason come into play.

[MethuenProgressive]

6. 1. Obama isn't allowed to disenfranchise FL and MI voters.

2. Voters reject Obama's Swiftboating of Clinton on race.
3. Voters learn about Obama instead of just blindly adoring him.
4. Voters decide it's important we beat McCain.

[cali]

9. Too late.

Barring a complete implosion, dear hilly is done. And that's very unlikely. The SDs will not go with her unless that happens. And Wright won't do it. Too bad for hillfans.

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[MethuenProgressive]

15. About Wright, cali.

I agree it won't matter much to Democrats in the primaries.
But it'll destroy him in the general.

[cali]

17. I don't know.

It's impossible to say. Too much can happen in the months to come.

[Recursion]

11. You're right: MI and FL disenfranchized themselves

Obama had nothing to do with their decision to hold invalid primaries.

[gayron]

19. Did you know that NH moved up their date and did not get punished?

That is what started this mess.

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. In regards to "the popular vote"

To the extent that who wins the popular vote is a factor to consider in deciding who to support to win the Democratic nomination, there is absolutely no justification to ignore the Florida primary that was held in January. Those voters voted with an understanding that it was uncertain whether delegates chosen would get seated, but they voted anyway; 1.7 million of them. That is not exactly a small caucus sample.

It is not breaking any DNC rule for any Super Delegate to do the math themselves and count the literal votes cast in Florida toward their own reckoning of who won the overall popular vote in 2008. Florida still would not have the delegates so looking the popular votes cast in Florida in January breaks no rule, and since 1.7 million people went to the trouble of casting them it is more Democratic to include those votes in a popular vote tally than it is to exclude them.

In regards to Michigan, I used to buy the argument that the popular vote there was overly tainted by significant candidates not being on the ballot for that primary, but I no longer do. After the DNC approved the new revote plan for Michigan yesterday, but it remains blocked because of the continued refusal from the Obama camp to accept it, I say count the Michigan primary too toward the popular vote totals. Democrats in Michingan and Florida have tried to work out revote plans. Clinton has generally been supportive of those efforts but I am now convinced that Obama always wanted to kill off any chance of a revote in either state because revotes make it more likely he will lose to Clinton in overall popular votes by anyone's math.

I think self serving politics by Obama is hurting the Democrats chances to be competitive in Florida and Michigan in the fall. Obama may be able to obstruct resolving the stalemate through revotes, he may be able to stop Florida and Michigan from getting their delegates seated, but if Obama suceeds in that than I urge Super Delegates to count the popular votes already cast in both of those states given new votes have been made politically impossible.

[Recursion]

25. The superdelegates are 100% free to use any criteria they wish

I've never bought the idea that they "must" follow the will of the voters -- if that's true, get rid of the damn system because it's pointless. The reason they are there is to keep the people from running the entrenched party leadership out of the party. Fine.

[dchill]

29. I don't suppose that Obama could possibly have...

any legitimate reason not to accept a Clinton-backer-funded revote in Michigan. Of course, counting the popular votes as though the primary season isn't really about delegates would be completely untainted - or so it would seem to a self-absorbed Hillary supporter. When you can't win any other way, "fair play" is no longer operative.

[dchill]

27. FL and MI voters were disenfranchised...

by their own state Dem party leaders, a fact you should already be aware of. All Obama has done is follow the rules as they existed at the beginning of the primary season. Your crude lies change nothing, and your ignorance becomes ever more apparent.

[gayron]

18. I will answer your question

Tell me if Obama will have the 2025 needed to get the nomination? That is the question you should be looking for an answer. Tell me why is Obama against a revote in FL and Mich, I know why, he would be behind in delegates or slightly ahead!

[40ozDonkey]

20. Oh look the new talking point.

"Obama doesn't want a revote" is extrapolated from "Obama wants a fair revote within DNC and state party rules".

Since Hillary claimed that she should win a state in which she was the only one on the ballot, I'll play your game:

Why does Hillary Clinton hate Democracy?

[Tom Rinaldo]

22. The DNC approved the new Michigan revote plan yesterday n/t

[not_too_L8]

24. so who is holding it up

Michigan?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

28. they needed Obama to agree and he did not

[40ozDonkey]

30. Barack Obama tells the MI legislature what to do?

Wow, he IS incredible!

"LANSING, Mich. - The state Senate has adjourned without taking up a presidential primary bill, essentially ending Michigan's chances of holding a June 3 do-over Democratic election.

While there still is a possibility a last-minute deal can be reached, lawmakers' lack of enthusiasm for a second election paid for by private donors means that's unlikely."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080320/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scramble_michigan

Seriously, give it up. You can't lie HRC into the oval office.