Obama equates Clinton to Bush and McCain--where is the DU outrage at the betrayal?

[Evergreen Emerald]

Obama, in his speech on Iraq coupled Bush and McCain and Clinton together, distorting her stance on the war. The comparision is an outrage. It is a betrayal of the democratic party.

And when Clinton suggested that McCain had more experience than Obama--DU nearly exploded, saying that Clinton betrayed the democratic party.

Where are you now?

[Saturday]

1. They must not have heard it, their heads are somewhere else.

I have to laugh at the outrage on here of how the media is pressing the Wright issue. Unfair to Obama is the cry. They didn't mind when Hillary got the biased media treatment.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. I know. They were cheering tweety and scarbourough

and many of us said they were sleeping with the enemy as the media is nothing but propaganda.

I do notice however, that the media is attempting to rebuild Obama--he is on every station for indepth interviews...nothing for Clinton.

[crankychatter]

52. Obama is a Gentleman

Clinton is way worse than Bush

[Mooney]

2. He didn't say that McCain is more experienced than HRC.

Hence, no outrage.

[ccpup]

3. I've said it before and I'll say it again ----

DU: The Home of Selective Outrage :eyes:

[HereSince1628]

4. Why would anyone be outraged about the truth?

Ahhhhhhh. The devil made me say that!

INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!! :hide:

[light catcher]

5. and how exactly did he distort her stance on the war?

It's time for her to step aside.

[Evergreen Emerald]

17. he distorted her stance on the war by suggesting it was like Bush and McCain's

That is an outright lie.

[Hepburn]

25. And it is different...how?

She voted for it...or are you now spinning somehow her vote for war was really, really a vote against it?

[Dawgs]

6. You're kidding, right?

I feel sorry for you if you can't see the difference.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. Really.

The irony here is so great I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

My point is that the Obama supporters who were so so outraged that a democrat should compare another democrat to a republican that they could never ever support Clinton...say NOT ONE WORD when Obama does the VERY SAME THING.

This board dissects everything Clinton says to distort and dehumanize so they can "justifiably" go on hating and attacking her.

Well, your hypocrisy has again been exposed. It is not the comparison you want to be outraged about.

[WVRevy]

37. Are you people really this blind?

He EQUATES her to Bush and McCain on her war stance.

She says McCain is MORE qualified than him.

I'm guessing you never took a logic class in college, right?

You can't make this shit up! :banghead:

[Hepburn]

26. Soooooooo.....

...how exactly was her vote in favor of the IWR different than McCain's or in some manner distinguishable from what Bush wanted?

Please point on the difference, OK? She and McCain BOTH gave up their Constitutional power to declare war to the fucking asshole in the WH. Tell me just HOW is Hillary different than McCain in ceding her Constitutional war powers as a member of Congress to that fucking POS in the WH?

[Hepburn]

7. Let's see....who supported the IWR.....

...ummmmmm, I can name three people who are currently in the new a lot right now: Bush, McCain and Hillary Clinton.

Your point?

[Dawgs]

8. She didn't vote for the war, just like Bush and McCain?

:shrug:

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. No. But, your interpretation shows intellectual laziness.

[Hepburn]

28. What is sooooooo intellectually challenging about going to the

Thomas website and looking at the "AYES" and "NAYS" on the IWR?

Apparently you find that challenging because the vote of your queen was recorded in the AYE column. Spinning a lie about her stance could explain why you see explaining her vote as an intellectual challenge. There it is in black and white and there is NOTHING you can say that make her AYE into a NAY....so spin away ~~ intellectually, of course.

:eyes:

[Sean Stuart]

31. I think you said "no" meaning "yes"

She did vote for the war, just as she voted toward a war with Iran.

[Evergreen Emerald]

32. see. that is the problem People just distort and twist and act as if it is fact

Where was Obama for the "Iran" vote? "Present"

[Sean Stuart]

33. I'm not defending Obama's skip of Kyl Lieberman.

I'm just correcting your post.

[tabasco]

35. LOL. I laugh when someone says they thought Bush was going to use diplomacy.

That exposes them as a fool or a liar.

Sorry, I can't help it if you are a gullible person.

[bowens43]

9. Why would there be outrage?

the three are virtually indistinguishable.

[screembloodymurder]

14. She has the same supporters.

Follow the money and you'll find the same people pulling the strings.

[cali]

10. She equated herself to McCain

and the suggestion that all she did was to say that McCain had more experience is patently untrue. She said she and her bff JMac, had the experience to be CiC and Obama didn't.

She made her filthy bed, now she gets to lie in that filth.

[Mezzo]

11. There'll be none. IOKIFYBO

they had no problem with the repig vote either. Or making a repig in a red state has more of a voice in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY than a democrat in Florida.

[TwilightGardener]

12. Works for me. She's no better than McCain and Bush to me either.

[tekisui]

13. He didn't say McCain was BETTER than Clinton.

Hence, no outrage.

[Zueda]

15. Could you be a little more descriptive?

What part did he distort?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

16. when he says McCain would be a better C-in-C, you'll see the outrage

until then, the truth is, on the big issues Bush, McCain, and Clinton all held/hold similar positions: torture, IWR, Kyl-Lieberhosen, cluster-bombing....

[joeybee12]

19. That's different...

...in Obama World everything is different, everything must adhere to their own narrow view.

[Armstead]

21. Hillary said McCain is stronger than Obama

Obama did not elevate McCain over Clinton. That's the difference.

Real simple.

[NRaleighLiberal]

Yup. With Hillary, it is all about Hillary. With Obama, it is about healing our country.

[scheming daemons]

23. Turnabout is fair play..... Hillary went there first.... opened the doors for it to come back and

bite her in the ass.

[bunnies]

24. You mean while Bill Clinton was out there PRAISING MCCAIN?!

BILL PRAISES MCCAIN, CALLS HIM TOUGH TO BEAT
Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:52 PM by Mark Murray

ALLENTOWN, PA -- Bill Clinton, who earlier today criticized McCain over the US presence in Iraq, praised the likely Republican nominee at a local college, saying he's a "very fine man" who'll be tough to beat.

"He paid as high a price as you can pay to serve this country without getting killed, and we have to honor that," Clinton said. " he has some redeeming qualities for a Republican: he doesn't believe in toture, he supported campaign finance reform and he doesn't think global warming is a myth... So it is not gonna be all that easy to beat him."

(snip)

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/19/786012.aspx

[Exilednight]

27. To be fair, Hillary did endorse McCain when she touted that he passed some imaginery threshold......

my only question is, who was carrying who when they crossed that threshold.

[Sean Stuart]

29. He did not praise McCain. That's the difference.

Obama is pointing out his differences with the other candidates on an important issue, not setting McCain as superior to his Democratic opponent as Hillary did. That matters because Hillary was sending the message that a McCain candidacy was superior to Obama's. Obama was not sending the message that a McCain candidacy is better than Hillary's. Try to follow.

[pointsoflight]

42. Also didn't say McCain is better prepared to be president/CIC.

[Froward69]

30. Hillary herself

put herself there no one to blame but herself...

[workinclasszero]

34. Right here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related :puke:

Hillary made the war in Iraq possible. She gave the power to Bush. Deal with it Hillbots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSu0zXCR9sE

[UALRBSofL]

36. OP, Obama isn't getting a pass on his comparison of Clinton to Bush and McCain

in his rally yesterday. Because it is being dealt with in a kinder, gentler way. Instead of attacking him, which doesn't work, it will be brought to the public in different ways. The Clinton's aren't gonna attack him. They have decided to let him do all the attacking.

[dionysus]

38. well, since they are acting like republicans, and have been cozy with the bushes for years... well..

[hfojvt]

39. Do you have an exact quote?

Or am I just expected to believe your interpretation?

[jean627]

40. Uh, Well

Clinton linked herself to McCain against Obama. He's just helping her to prove it.

[krkaufman]

41. Putting it as simply as possible, since it appears to be necessary.

Hillary: McCain is good, and better than Obama.

Obama: Hillary and McCain are both bad.

(1) Obama is saying McCain is bad.
(2) Obama isn't elevating the Republican nominee *OVER* a Democratic candidate.

McCain cannot use Obama's comments in a campaign ad without massive editing and wholly changing Obama's meaning. McCain *can*, however, use Hillary's statements unedited, regardless of which Dem is the eventual nominee.

[eridani]

43. He didn't say that McCain was better than Clinton

What is it about that statement of Clinton's that McCain was better than Obama that you didn't understand?

[ima_sinnic]

44. DUH--HRC was implying that people should vote for McCain rather than Obama

--she was actually "endorsing" McCain by praising him over a fellow Democrat.

Her stance on the war is hardly different than bushco's. Thanks for creating a thread where this can be pointed out AGAIN. She is a bush enabler and ass-kisser. She kissed his butt on the invasion. She actually gushed her praise of him after 9/11--you remember her idiotic groupie "we'll do whatever you want, we're with you all the way, mr. president" BULLSHIT?? she never saw a bill to spend more of our hard-earned tax dollars on war and maiming that she didn't like.

simply comparing her to bushies isn't going to make her betrayal and treachery in praising McCain over Obama go away.

but you already knew this. you know exactly who she is: a war-monger, payola grubber, and corporate tool who will send your job to India if she's paid well enough to do so.

[EFerrari]

45. I'm right here and I agree with Obama. Next question?

[saltpoint]

46. Just out of curiosity, do Clinton supporters have anything they like to

highlight as something positive about their candidate, or are you only here to shriek at Obama?

For all her alleged experience, Mrs. Clinton sure seems to be attracting a lot of cry-babies to her campaign.

Governor Richardson has just announced that he will endorse Barack Obama over your gal. Is he a betrayer as well?

[JVS]

50. No.

[saltpoint]

51. That would have been my guess also.

[FrenchieCat]

47. He said a lot of nice things about Hillary, leter in the interview....

But I'm sure by then, your head had already exploded based on N-O-T-H-I-N-G!

[crankychatter]

48. If you need a list of ACCURATE comparisons

I can help.

But, you wouldn't read it and the FACTS will never change your mind.

[McCamy Taylor]

49. The entire left wing has been calling Hillary the same as Bush for a solid year.

They have their heads stuck so far up their asses, they only reason they can breathe is they are all lactose intolerant.

I should say the "faux left". The posturing left. The guys at Huffington's Post and Daily Kos who think they are the left would just die if a homeless veteran tried to touch them.

Where are the Wobblies when you need them?

[EFerrari]

53. We're doing our best not to allow this corporate shill to get the nod. n/t

[crankychatter]

55. All Obama supporters are "Left Wing" Nuts

And none of the Clinton supporters here are Republican operatives

[saltpoint]

56. Run a Wobbly and see if he or she carries many electoral votes.

Love 'em to death, but that doesn't speak to the practical realities of current U.S. politics.

Sorry you disagree with a large majority of Democrarts on the web.

You should go over and shove your weight around at kos and HuffPost and see how you fare in the response lane.

[goletian]

54. if you cant see the difference, you need some help...

comparing someone to repubs as a bad thing = bad for repubs
comparing yourself to a repub as a good thing = great for repubs

the outrage was not over comparing, but contrasting in a way that makes repubs look good. this was what the outrage was about. if hillary said obama is like mccain so he sucks. no one wouldve been outraged. they mightve called her a liar or hypocrite or something, but it wouldnt have been any outrage like what happened for good reason over hillarys endorsement. do you guys really not get it? honestly?

[Perry Logan]

57. Can you say H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y? I thought you could.

[ima_sinnic]

58. would you care to expand on that delusion? who's being hypocritical?

please enlighten us with your indisputable logic, oh wise one, because the only hypocrisy I see is running as a "Democrat" while praising the Republican as more qualified than another Democrat. Also serving office as a "Democrat" while kissing the ass of the Republican war criminal "president" and giving him free pass to torture, murder, rape, mayhem and plunder a country that never did anything to us--and give her approval to doing the same thing to yet another one.

So bluster away--give it your best shot! Because McCain, Billary, and Bush are like peas in a pod.