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Thu Mar-20-08 09:53 AM
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Ras Poll: Clinton 55%, Obama 27% in West Virginia |
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Thu Mar-20-08 09:54 AM
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1. Well, Obama needs to spread the mountaintop removal thing to WV |
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and Clinton's lead will evaporate to nothing.
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:00 PM
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34. Obama will not. He has beaten-wife syndrome like all other Democrats. He's afraid MSM will retaliate |
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He doesn't realize he has nothing to lose by taking a principled, populist stand against big business. He refuses to draw a distinction with Hillary.
What else is there to talk about in WV, other than xenophobia / race?
West Virginians are anti-big business populists. Obama is marginally to the left of Clinton. He only hates mountaintop removal because it is the liberal position to take -- not because his heart is in fighting the big business rape of the country.
This weak-mindedness and unwilling to make "fiery denunciations" for fear of media reprisal of the "crazy angry black man" is what caused Kerry to lose. Battered syndrome.
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Thu Mar-20-08 09:55 AM
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2. LOL! He doesn't have a prayer in WV, and never did. He knows that. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:06 AM
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7. Maybe the people of WV don't understand that they are in one of those states that don't matter. |
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I mean, seriously. Only states like New York and California count, right?
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:11 AM
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11. People in MI and FL understand that BO does not want their vote to count |
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Thu Mar-20-08 09:58 AM
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3. Bad, but still Hillary is still down 10 from where she needs to be to catch Obama. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 09:59 AM
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4. In part the unfortunate covert racism of America |
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and the Rev Wright fiasco. Maybe America is not ready for someone as intelligent as Obama. What if national polls say Obama is on a constant downswing in national polls to McCain. Do with stick with Obama when we know Rev. Wright has already swiftboated poor Obama. ? Do we stick with Obama because he was an only on winner among Democrats only.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:03 AM
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5. The Polls in Ohio and Pennsylvania... |
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The polls in OH and PA show Obama getting crushed in both states by McCain, but the far-left doesn't care. They think they can shift the Democratic Party to the far left fringes and still win moderates and the vast majority of normal Democrats who don't attend KOS conventions. You would think they would have learned something after the Nader and Ned Lamont fiascos.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:07 AM
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8. The irony is Obama is pretty centrist. nt |
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:53 AM
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24. actually no, he is rated as being left of Ted Kennedy... Clinton is centrist. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:14 AM
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28. By National Review magazine. nt |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:02 PM
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AWESOME!!!! All the more reason to vote for him!!!!
GO BARACK!!!!
:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:12 AM
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12. Polls a few weeks ago showed Obama doing better against McCain. These things fluctuate |
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And mean nothing at this stage. Obama's had a tough week...let's see if he can recover before declaring him unelectable because of a few bad polls.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:45 AM
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19. The trend for Obama is consistently declining relative to Clinton in trial heats with rethugs |
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He once did 9-10 points better than her in the beginning of the campaign, that is early in 2007. As he gets more scrutiny, bad press, criticism, and vetting he is consistently sliding back--which is typical for a "new" candidate.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:38 AM
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14. So speaking as an ultra-liberal.... |
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...what the fuck do I get if the Dems become Repubbie Lite?
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:40 AM
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18. You get eight years of doing whatever you can to push them to the left. |
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Which is what you're supposed to do anyway.
Being a progressive is subscribing to a life of competing with corporate interests and Republican appeasement folks (centrists). Write, call, wash, repeat.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:38 AM
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16. Um...who the f*** is far left??? |
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Clearly you have no idea what the hell is left and right and just how goddamn close to ultra-right some this country has swung.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:05 AM
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:10 AM
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10. I live 20 miles from WV border.... without a doubt, the most racist state in the nation..... |
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:36 AM
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13. That's interesting. Somehow that didn't occur to me. Bad economy, no jobs, |
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sometimes go hand in hand with racism.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:47 AM
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21. Ah, Obama loses it must be because of racism! |
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:sarcasm:
It is ironic Obamites--further exacerbating Obama's problem by using the race card yet again--blame Obama for his apparently collapsing support among whites and Latinos (and even his formerly rock solid 85-90% black support is slipping.). When Rendell said this they crucified him. Will they apologize to Rendell?
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:55 AM
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The only problem is that there's a difference between what we can say on a message board and what a public figure like him can say.
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:31 AM
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31. I agree but to call what he said racist was over the top and an unfair attack on a good man |
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Rendell knows firsthand how much bigotry still exists. He is Jewish and one of his campaign offices had to be shut down because of threats from neo-Nazis. He was telling it like it is.
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:33 AM
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32. Yeah, that's too bad they'd go |
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for a "monster who would stoop to anything" before they'd vote for the real thing.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:38 AM
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I thought those states didn't count
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:39 AM
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17. West Virginia is a state I never expected him to carry in the primaries |
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I think his best shots are Montana, SD, Indiana, NC, and Oregon in the coming weeks. I fully expect Hill will win PA, WVA and KY.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:47 AM
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22. Obama doesn't play very well here in WV |
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But neither of them have a chance to turn WV blue in November.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:51 AM
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23. Did y'all know that the Toothbrush was invented in West Virginia? |
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Yep.
Cause if it was invented anywhere else it would have been called the "TeethBrush".
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:16 AM
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30. Ya know what is 17 miles long and has three teeth? |
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The WV unemployment line... (sorry, love me some WV but....)
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:55 AM
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25. WV is 95% white. It's also heavily occupied and influenced by right-wing corporations. |
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WV is probably not going to go Democratic in the fall. For the time being, it is lost to the extreme right-wing corporate influence. The Democrats will get it back, but probably not this year.
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Thu Mar-20-08 10:57 AM
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Didnt you hear? DONT LOOK AT THE POLLS!
Blinders on tight now
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:14 AM
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29. WV is as favorable to Hillary as Mississippi was to Obama. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 11:36 AM
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33. Did Obama ever stand a chance there in the first place? |
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Was there a point to your post? Or should I remind you that, even with this lead in WV and PA, HRC still can't catch Obama.
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