Democrats - Did you see the HYPOCRITE in the Mirror this morning?

[wowimthere]

White Democrats who harbor resentment for Obama because of what his pastor said, stop being hypocrites. If you're going to judge Obama or judge Obama in relation to Wright then take the time to do your research instead of vetting him with one minute of clips that corporate media has shoveled at you. Get your heads out of the sand. There are plenty more clips of Wright out there that don't come close to the clips that right wing stooges espouse to show you. You might be shocked to see a Wright that is loving to all races. Republicans and MSM want to narrow your focus. They don't want you to get to know Wright or Obama beyond a few minutes of clips. It won't be the fault of the media if you choose to judge Wright based on how the media is painting him. It will be your fault for actually trusting the media to do your job of vetting, researching.

Many of you are acting like you've never gotten angry at the atrocities committed by our government. Did you forget we're in the Iraq war because our government lied us into it? Maybe you've forgotten how we got here. Especially those of you who have been swayed by the right wing to vote for a candidate they know they can beat in the GE, be careful what you wish for. You think that just because you are voting for Clinton because they tell you to that this does you the greatest good. You think many of these right wing bobble heads have never uttered racist comments at the dinner table, at a rally, at a tea party? Maybe you should take a good look in the mirror at yourselves and ask the tough question. "Who do you think you're foolin'?"

You know who you are. You're the same people who sat at the dinner table and listened to a racist rant by a member of your family and said nothing. Just sat there.

You're the same people who canoodled with a boyfriend or girlfriend who spoke so harshly about other races you feared someone who might be offended by it could hear it but you said nothing.

You're the same people who were embarrassed by that racist rant but said nothing or defended it as aloof language.

You're the same people who heard your pastors, co-workers, best friends, school mates make racist and bigoted statements but looked right past it as if they said nothing out of the ordinary.

You are the same people who took the clips "this" media parlayed in front of you of Wright without giving it proper context and railed against him without doing your homework, your research.

You're the same people who have decided to support the white candidate even though this candidate voted for the war you condemn. You condemned it from the start but are willing to throw your vote away on a candidate who can't even admit she was wrong on that vote.

You're the same people who can't admit the ugly truth about your own racism, hiding behind your disdain for other races, cowering in fear that somehow 13 percent of the African American population will somehow take over the world if you vote for the Bi-Racial candidate.

You'd rather have another warmonger in the white house rather than vote for the guy who has the funny sounding name, who doesn't look like you, who actually understands your concerns.

You are the hypocrite hiding the bigoted or racist uncle, father, mother, sister, brother, friend, wife, husband, cousin et al in the closet while you admonish blame a candidate for words that were not his own.

This is the ugly truth of who you are. If you haven't looked in the mirror today, I suggest you do so. Take a look at yourselves. Accept the truth about you. Change the dialog. Change the Hypocrite in you then do something different.

[Ron Green]

1. You talkin' to ME?

I don't think so.

[tyne]

2. Amen

[Mz Pip]

3. The fact that

the Democratic Party has not rallied around Obama speaks volumes. And I am not talking about forcing Hillary out, I am talking about standing up for principles that are supposedly so very important to Democrats. They were given an opportunity to show the true mettle of their convictions and they failed.

[wowimthere]

4. I agree with you 100 percent

Weren't Dems supposed to have it all together? Where are some of the party activists, surragates?

[elana i am]

24. that's right...

the democrats in D.C. the democrats on this board. there's been a lot of ugly right here on DU the past week or so. A LOT.

like i said in a previous post earlier this week, i woke up on another planet in a different universe - one called opposite world where progressive dems have flipped ideologies.

[HarveyBrooks]

5. Yea, that's right...

we don't support your guy so we're a bunch of racist enablers.

[Mz Pip]

6. This has less to do

with anyone's support of Clinton than it has to do with supporting principles that are supposedly a foundation of the Democratic Party.

You can blow that off with snark, dismissing genuine concern for serious issues as being all about not liking Hillary. It is not. This is not about Hillary. Making it about Hillary trivializes the situation.

[wowimthere]

7. Ask yourself that all too important question(s)

Have you ever used racist language, been around people who have and didn't say a word to them? You don't have to tell me. I'm sure you won't. But I know better.

[Cheap_Trick]

11. we don't support

your gal, so we're a bunch of sexist enablers. :eyes:

[BigDDem]

35. Exactly.

Obama supporter or racist?
Pick one

[JuniperLea]

58. There ya go!

I'm seeing a lot of that around here... you are either for the war or for the terrorists... now, where have I heard that one before?

[sudopod]

47. OH NO YOU DIDENT

Seriously, if you prefer Senator Clinton, or even (ew) McCain because of policy differences or because you really do believe that their larger rolodexes will mean a great deal with respect to their ability to get useful things done for the people, then more power to you.

The only people we are angry with are the ones who say that they aren't voting Obama because of he eeeeeeeeeeevil racist/extremist pastor. That is a load of disingenuous bullshit, and anyone with an ounce of sense knows it is only meant to scare the old white people into fleeing the scary black man.

It is that dishonesty which really pisses me off. Say you prefer another candidate based on real policy or experience differences. Anyone who hides behind this manufactured controversy is full of shit and isn't worthy of my time.

[ElboRuum]

78. Then say THAT.

Don't say what the OP said, which was a generalized screed cast in anger.

[TooBigaTent]

8. I would say that Rev. Wright was basically right. Exactly how different is

God damn America not god bless America from

We didn't land on Plymouth Rock, Plymouth Rock landed on us.

[wowimthere]

9. I think people are approaching Wright...

from the standpoint of pretense. I'm looking at actors on the stage of "Fake Outrage". As if no one has ever heard incendiary language in their own homes. Please!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. How Embarrassing For You.

That was one of the most stupid rants I've ever seen. You look beyond silly.

[Bonobo]

19. Agree or disagree. That was not the nice OMC responding.

This poster has their own perspective. Racism is personal, personal, personal.

The least you can do is respect a person's own perspective when they lay out their strongly felt emotions and pain. The poster thought, wrote and bled onto the page and you gave a reflexive little piss on it.

I have seen enough from you to know the depths of you.

I also know you have a short fuse and sometimes post quick, hurtful shit.

I know which OMC posted the response above and I'm just saying try to read what the writer was trying to say. It is a real human persepective and shouldn't be dismissed so callously.

Race IS hard to talk about and you have to not make people feel shamed for crossing their comfort zone.

[wowimthere]

26. thank you Bonobo...

This post was just trying to ask people to judge your own actions first before you judge others. I don't agree with many of Wright's assertions but I can understand where his heart is. Many are pretending that they've heard this for the first time in their lives... from across the pond.

Many have heard racist comments in their homes, towns, cities, churches, factories, farms and they look at this man as if he stunk up the discourse. The piling on is political but the nerves that were struck can not be ignored. We have to face this or it persists, we keep doing the same things over and over and over again and this never comes to a head.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. Sorry Bonobo, But The OP Accusations Were Beyond The Pale.

Talking about racism is one thing. Accusing so many members here of being guilty of the over the top DIRECT accusations made by the OP here, is another. I have little respect for a message that carries with it such ignorant presumption and accusation. I found it to be completely arrogant and inappropriate, regardless of the intent.

[Bonobo]

36. Maybe you're right OMC.

The OP ain't firing on all cylinders I now see.

Thanks for the reply.

[wowimthere]

41. I respect your opinion. We all have opinions

That's what this forum is about. I think most everyone here understands what this post was really about even if they disagree with it. People don't want to ask these tough questions. I understand that but I've seen little in substance to refute my assertions. As a matter of fact, I've only heard one broadcaster admit my very point. Keith Olberman.

There is no arrogance in asking if people are really being honest with their assessments of this situation. If you find these questions so off putting as to believe there is arrogance in posing these questions to yourself then you've really shut down the discourse... in you.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. Well I Don't Respect Yours, As It Is Arrogant And Quite Closed Minded.

You weren't asking if people are being honest with their assessment of this situation. You were TELLING them they WEREN'T being honest, and went on to assign these over the top accusations towards them. You want to talk about discourse? Start with your damn self.

Here, in your OP, you just TOLD anyone who is white and who doesn't like the Obama/Wright relationship that they:

Have racist family members that they condone.

Had severely racist boyfriends or girlfriends that they condoned.

Had racist pastors, co-workers, best friends and schoolmates that they condoned.

Are ignorant and can't think beyond what the msm shoves down their throats.

That they are voting for Hillary out of racism (while inferring that her IWR vote disqualifies her as someone who should be supported, even though such an assertion is monumentally ignorant and warped).

That they themselves are severely racist yet in denial about it, and that they fear that AA's will take over the world (are you insane?).

Again, are voting for Hillary sheerly out of being racists (again by making a completely ignorant and warped assertion).

Again have racist family members in which they hide behind.

Are guilty of all the above mentioned accusations and need to accept that as truth and that they are hypocrites, merely because you say so.


So please, spare me your discourse bullshit. This is OP is one of the most ignorant, arrogant and wildly warped rants I've ever seen. You expect me to respect that? Fuck that. No way in hell pal. :hi:

[wowimthere]

59. The first line of the post... read it... who are you kidding?

White Democrats who harbor "resentment" for Obama because of what his "pastor" said, stop being hypocrites.

This is the important line. It doesn't apply to everyone. Wright said some incendiary comments. Obama didn't say these things. Geraldine Ferraro made some rather careless remarks about race. Clinton did not make them.


Hold people who make comments like these responsible for their own actions.

If you have heard racist comments from people you know and never spoke out against them then how can you judge? I'm asserting that people have done this. Don't tell me that people haven't. Some people have spoken against racist rants and that's a good thing.

Those who have let these kinds of comments slide and condemn Obama and clinton for words they did not utter are infact hypocrites because they themselves didn't speak up on their own behalf.

Who do you think you're foolin'?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

60. Look, It Is Clear That You Believe The Outright Ignorance And Wild Accusations In The OP.

But it is you who needs to stop and think, and open your mind a bit to the reality that your accusations are absurd.

Furthermore, your opening line FIRST addresses Democrats as if accusing ALL of them, only to then whittle it down to only a quite small segment of them. But even your reducing the group you're attacking still doesn't make your words and accusations any more accurate. Read my post above again. You are outright TELLING people within that group that they are guilty of those things. That is beyond ignorant, arrogant, misguided, closed minded and flat out ridiculous.

Defend it all you want. I don't expect you to be able to see why it is deserving of all those labels. But your lack of comprehension and understanding doesn't make those labels any less accurate. You are totally misguided in your OP, and I feel for you for believing in it so much. Your broad brush accusations are asinine on their face.

Like I said: One of the most stupid rants I've ever seen.

[jeffrey_X]

54. bullshit

If this was one democrat fighting against the right, hannity and rush, WE WOULD ALL BE ON BOARD and fighting the good fight.

Original post was spot on.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

55. Bzzzzzzzzttttttt.

The original OP was bullshit, as per my response above.

Completely wild, extreme and ignorant in its accusations.

[Yes We Did]

68. You are just upset because you are one of the hypocrites the OP is talking about.

Notice, thus far you are the only one having a problem with the post. I wonder what that says about you?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

69. Yes Watson, That's It! You've Got It! Year's Supply Of Scooby Snacks For Ya! Why, You're Brilliant!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Too funny!

[Yes We Did]

79. I love how you really have nothing to add, so you just snark.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. Please, Watson, Stop Your Projecting.

You silly little thing you.

:dunce:

[Yes We Did]

81. So, do you ever say anything positive? Just asking?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

82. Wait... Are You Declaring That Ignorantly And Arrogantly Calling Large Groups Racists Is Positive?

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[lazer47]

12. I don't support either one right now,, what does that make me???

I will however support the nominee.

[wowimthere]

14. This post asks us to explain...

who we say we are as we judge people. We can't be the type of people who judge others without judging ourselves first. The youth generation understands what the baby-boomers don't yet understand. They are still back there as if time has stopped. It didn't. We are in 2008 and we're still doing the same things in a loop.

You must define who you are. Are you that person who I've asked to look in the mirror who has judged someone through the narrow lens of the media, who have judged men without first looking at his/her own actions?


No one will be able to define you but you. I'm just asking people to be honest with themselves because many don't know how to be, will not be, have no intention of being honest with others.

[SeaLyons]

13. I think you're confusing extremism with

racism. The democratic party does not embrace extremism.

[wowimthere]

15. I disagree profoundly...

Racism is steeped in so many avenues of our society that many of us don't recognize it. Many of us do recognize it. This is what this post is about. Judging people, no matter what they've done should not come before you judge your own actions. You can't miss that step.

Extremism comes in all sorts of packages. We used extreme force to uproot a nation's leaders. Our government has in fact lied to us. That's how the Iraq war was started.

Wright's comments are his own and he chose his divisive style... that many don't agree with. That doesn't excuse the many who have judged him harshly before judging their own actions. People need to take the log out of their own eye before pointing out the log in someone else's.

[wowimthere]

18. The Democratic Party does not want to...

admit that racism exists in its party. If it exists here and we can't admit it then how we point it out in another party? We're not better unless we can admit this fact. We can't become better until we can own what we are and project who to all who we want to be. Looking in the mirror is but the first step.

[SeaLyons]

27. I don't think the democratic party

or any sane thinking person can say that racism doesn't exist. Of course it does. I just don't think America (with all the huge problems we have facing us now) wants to deal with it now. Furthermore, America embraced Obama with open arms....black, whites, young and old. He created a movement for God's sakes. Now, after the Wright explosion, I think many are feeling a bit duped.
Perhaps Barack should have made his race speech at the beginning of his campaign, instead of talking about ONE United States of America. He's created contradictions that many are having a hard time comprehending.

[wowimthere]

31. he didn't create contradictions... Wright doesn't speak for all

parishioners. Does your mother and father speak for you when you have a mouth of your own? Obama didn't utter those words. Ferraro uttered words that I think may have been harmful to many but Clinton didn't say those words.

I cannot judge you based on the family members you have or the company you keep if you treat me with great respect. You may not know that your friends or family members harbos resentment toward a race of people.

[SeaLyons]

33. Look, Barack is a brilliant man,

and knew that his affiliation with Wright would lead to serious problems. He knew the extent of his controversial views, yet continued the relationship. He's on the national level, running for the highest office in the country. He used poor judgement, and he did create contradictions for himself.

[EFerrari]

43. Contradictions are part of adult life. And once the subject was broached

Obama came through like a champ.

THAT is the kind of leader we need.

[Leopolds Ghost]

74. "Sure racism exists. I just don't think America wants to deal with it now. So?"

[SeaLyons]

25. All Well and Good, but we

are electing a president. I don't think it's too much to ask that he not be connected to radical divisive church. As fellow democrats, I'm sure we all can analyze, empathize and see the underlying reasons, etc. that Barack connected to this man and the church, but that doesn't win the White House back. The negatives of this connection will not go away.

[Leopolds Ghost]

75. What's radical about saying Obama grew up in a country that was run by rich old white men?

I was heartened to hear that particular statement played over and over.

It is the truth. Why would anyone attack it!?

What does it have to do with supposed racist conspiratorial remarks.

Nothing.

It is like Ferraro's remarks, only true -- and in a "threatening" Black accent.

As for gov't bringing drugs into the inner city (yawn)

Unfortunately Americans will never admit that every clandestine operation
worldwide relies on drug-running to hide their cash. That is why US-occupied
Afghanistan have a near-lock on the global heroin trade again.

The stuff about AIDS and 9-11 -- that I have a big problem with.

God Damn America -- well, I have a STRONG religious anger at anyone
who uses the phrase "God Bless America" so I must condemn Wright
for saying the reverse, despite the perfectly legitimate sentiment
shared by Jesus and the prophets, who frequently damned Israel for
its actions (and got crucified for doing so).

[TooBigaTent]

16. Lately, it does not even embrace Democracy. nt

[Voltaire]

17. Well it ought to for a change

nt

[rucky]

20. Welcome to DU!

:toast:

[wowimthere]

21. Thank you... it's good to be here.

[jackson_dem]

22. Obama got 27% of white Dems in Ohio, 21% of white dems in MS because of pastorgate

:sarcasm:

He was polling at 29% among white Dems in PA prior to pastorgate. It is a cop out to blame his decline among whites and Latinos on pastorgate. There is some evidence to suggest that even his 85-90% grip on blacks is slipping too now. Is that due to racism? :sarcasm:

[Leopolds Ghost]

76. In other words, racissts were voting against Obama even before pastorgate, which made no change.

[Little Star]

23. Say hello to President John McCain. Call all the names you want,

It will only make people turn away from your candidate. It may make you feel better but name calling turns people off.

[Pringles]

28. Oh golly, now that's what I call opening a door to

discussion.

You feel better after throwing up on your shoes?

Don Imus runs a camp for children with cancer, but where was Obama talking about what a swell guy he was in spite of his racist remarks?

Obama's own father wrote a letter to his white grandmother telling her that he didn't want the "obama blood sullied by a white woman" and yes it's the old white lady tossed under the bus while the black preacher is told to get to the back of the bus.

Obama is filled with his own self-loathing.

How about this from Obama?

"Beyond Pakistan, there is a core of terrorists -- probably in the tens of thousands -- who have made their choice to attack America. So the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world, and to deny them the world's most dangerous weapons."

Wow. Someone's been memorizing Bush's "smoke 'em out" speech. "Capture or kill" sounds like the potential for a hell of a lot of "collateral damage" to innocents going on some reckoning that they might be terrorists before really finding out.

Obama publicly acknowledged in his 2006 memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” that he once harbored doubts about his initial anti-war posture. After watching the famous statue of Saddam Hussein being pulled down by jubilant Iraqis and seeing President Bush declare the end of major combat operations aboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, “I began to suspect that I might have been wrong,” Obama says in the book.

During the 2004 Democratic Party convention, Obama declined to criticize the party’s presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry, for having voted for the war, saying: “What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”

[wowimthere]

30. You have your own interpretation of Obama... Good but...

Answer the question... You're making a judgment of others. That's good, if you think it is. Now I ask you to do the same for yourself. What have you done or allowed others to say in your presence in your own community, in your own family?

[Mz Pip]

32. Can you please

explain to me how Obama's mention of his grandmother's racist feelings is "throwing her under the bus"? I hear that phrase tossed around quite a bit and find specious. Sounds good but it really doesn't fit.

[wowimthere]

37. Rush Limbaugh used the term "He threw his grandmother...

under the bus. That should tell you a lot right there. Point out black racism and it flies. Point out white racism and it doesn't fly.

Obama was explaining that you don't throw people under the bus because of things you don't agree with... You denounce what they say. He disagrees with many but as Obama has said many times... you can disagree without being disagreeable.


Limbaugh and other right wing racists have a problem with race in this country. They want to affect this election. They are doing a good job because as always democrats let them muddy the waters. The GOP know best about national security. They don't but they would have you believe it, so much so a democratic senator continues to vote with them on key issues.

Obama's grandmother, who is white has used terms the senator didn't agree with but he wasn't going to disown her for them.

[wowimthere]

29. If you think looking at your own actions has anything to do with ...

who you support as the president then let me clear this up by asking the questions in simple terms. You can choose to answer it publicly or answer them to yourself.

Have you ever used racially insensitive language in a private or public setting? Have you heard someone that you were close to, in your family or outside of your family ever speak in racially insensitive terms and refused to say anything about, refused to acknowledge it?

If you have... then understand it, deal with it. No matter what candidate you support, you must understand it. You may come away understanding why you do many of the things you do and why you are supporting the candidate you support.

This post asks you to face it without fear.

[MyNameGoesHere]

38. And there it is. Another "Vote Obama or you are a racist"

post. Now isn't that special?

[wowimthere]

39. I guess you didn't ask those tough questions of yourself

You'll be fine.

[MyNameGoesHere]

40. I do ask those and you are a

blithering idiot to assume otherwise. Course I don't need your input into my daily reflections. Implying that the reason that I won't vote for Obama becuase of race is as asinine as you are.

[wowimthere]

42. air it out... Name call... get mad... but...

I'm not going to go there with you. I don't have to because I have asked the questions. And I know many rather than few unserstand the point of the post.

[EFerrari]

44. You did a great job. Welcome to DU. n/t

[wowimthere]

46. thank you, sfexpat2000...

I appreciate that.

[wowimthere]

45. The first sentence of the post applies to...

"White Democrats who harbor resentment for Obama because of what his pastor said, stop being hypocrites."

If this does not apply to you then why would you respond to it with such animated language?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

49. That Constraint On The Message Doesn't Make It Any Less Asinine And Warped.

Your accusations towards members of that group are beyond the pale, quite warped, quite ignorant and just plain wrong. Get over yourself.

[DaDooRonRon]

50. "Me thinks he doth protest too much"

Got a mirror?

The Democratic Party is as racist in its policies as anyone.

You can scream like a child until the cows come home, but until you come to grips with it and face it head on your efforts fall on deaf ears.

Watch what is happening around you as half the party tries to destroy the other half for its own personal gain and tell me they're not going "pssst, he's BLACK, you know" to anyone who will listen.

"Why, some of my best friends are Negroes."

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. Methinks You Are Incapable Of Refuting What I Said.

Got anything that would show any sign of cognitive thought or just that stupid shit?

[DaDooRonRon]

52. "Got anything that would show any sign of cognitive thought or just that stupid shit?"

Does the phrase "hoisted on your own petard" do anything for you?

I like reading your responses, because your own words do a better job of exposing your cognitive inabilities than anything anyone could write.

Carry on.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

57. So Basically, All You Can Ever Say Is "I Know You Are But What Am I".

How utterly silly and empty.

Again, can you refute my assessment? Can you explain why those accusations contained in the OP are accurate and fair? Can you do anything other than stand there like some grade schooler sticking out their tongue and saying "I know you are but what am I"?

You look like a silly little fool.

[DaDooRonRon]

61. "You look like a silly little fool"

Thanks again for doing my job for me.

You don't even see it, which makes it even funnier.

You crack me up.

Oh, btw, you've made no "assessment" - you've merely screamed, as is your style.

Please continue to walk through the garden of sludge and pretend that all is well in the Rodney King version of the Democratic Party.

Oh, does Bill still have his office in Harlem, or won't that prop work for Hillary - you know, considering her opponent and all.


just for you, 'cause I know it's your fave -------------> :rofl:


(enough fun - so long)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. Again With Your "I Know You Are But What Am I" ROFLMAO. So Incapable.

Seriously, that's all you got? That's all you have in your arsenal? How sad for you. And you call that fun? I call it a huge yawner... No challenge, no wit, no substance, no sign of anything other than you being a total amateur. Brush up on your skills son. :hi:

[wowimthere]

53. Everyone knows racism exists

The scab has come off again and the world is looking at us and I just think people should acknowledge it. Racism is an ugly sore in this nation and it never gets lanced.

You are absolutely right. When people protest too much, it is a refusal to see what is actually in front of them.

[DaDooRonRon]

62. Yes, but the "progressive facade" that many here put forth

only allows it to be someone else's problem.

C'mon, how can racism exist here?

I mean, we recycle and boycott Exxon and everything! :)

[Yes We Did]

67. You are one to talk about asinine comments.

That's all you know how to make.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

70. Yay!!!!! Another Fool With The "I Know You Are But What Am I" Stupidity!!

You're just so cool! Well all wanna be like you! We all wanna be you! You're just DREAMY!!!!!

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

56. Nothing excuses such vile remarks...

Especially from a man with whom so many entrust their own spiritual growth and that of their children.

That being said, I've seen plenty of WHITE preachers say as bad or worse things... and I think they are vile as well.

I hear McCain's camp was finally nailed for putting this out... so much for all the vitriol wasted on Hillary...

But that's ok! Her camp is wasting a lot of energy on the Obama camp too.

There is no hypocrisy in condemning this man for the evil things he said... that's why Obama set the record straight.

[RememberWellstone]

63. 20 years of listening

To this incidenary, hate speech. And no, I will not vote for Obama just because he is black and America has treated them wrong. This will be about ending the war, better health car and telling the goshdamn truth. He is not doing the latter.

[wowimthere]

72. I detect fake outrage as if you've never heard such language... more...

research is required if you think the other candidates haven't lied to you. The war vote is a clue. So is NAFTA. So is the straight talk express. Your vote is for whomever you choose but if you think a pastor of a church can usurp presidents going to race rallies or Regan uttering racial language then I am starting question whether you are using good sense.

Research all of the candidates, is all I'm saying.

[Leopolds Ghost]

77. "And no, I will not vote for Obama just because he is black and America has treated them wrong."

A perfect example of racially incindiary speech worthy of a Wright sermon.

[wowimthere]

65. divisiveness is ugly... Here it is again.

But people should not act as if they are aghast. We've all heard it in our own private settings. I have heard many speak this way, white, black, latino, native american and asian. Those people have friends and family members who decry this kind of behavior as well as some who don't denounce it.

A hypocrite fakes outrage in hearing the pastor of a public figure use incendiary language then decides to blame the public figure because he knew him for 20 years without owning incidents of appropriateness they've used or be been involved in.

Again... if you are that person who has heard racist rants and loose comments from family, friends, loved ones, co-workers and never stepped up to the plate to condemn this language then why be so willing to condemn the candidate who didn't speak these words as well as condemn Wright through the narrow lens of orchestrated media sound bites?

If you do this, isn't that the height of hypocrisy?

[wowimthere]

66. Some of you want me to believe you have never been around this...

kind of rant. He's black. Many rants come from whites, blacks, browns, yellows. I'm not buyin' it.

You're outraged but can't own and isolate your own experiences? Come on!

[dchill]

71. Great post! But of course...

I'm with Barack.
:)

[wowimthere]

73. thank you very much, dchill

[HuffleClaw]

83. yet ANOTHER 'if you don't support obama you're racist' post ? n/t

[BigBearJohn]

84. And... a few words from Ambassador Wilson --

Joseph C. Wilson:

Claims of superior intuitive judgment by his campaign and by him are self-evidently disingenuous, especially in light of disclosures about his long associations with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Tony Rezko. But his assertions of advanced judgment are also ludicrous when the question of what Obama has accomplished in his four years in the Senate is considered.

As the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee subcommittee on Europe, he has not chaired a single substantive oversight hearing, even though the breakdown in our relations with Europe and NATO is harming our operations in Afghanistan. Nor did he take a single official trip to Europe as chairman. This is the sum total of his actions in the most important responsibility he has had in the Senate. What are his actual experiences that reassure us that when the phone rings at 3 a.m. he will know what to do, which levers of power to pull, or which world leaders he can count on?

Obama has stated that he will rely upon his advisers. But how will he know which ones to depend upon and how will he be able to evaluate what they say? Already, one of his chief foreign policy advisers, Samantha Power, has been compelled to resign for, among other indiscretions, honestly revealing on a British television program that Obama's public position on withdrawal from Iraq is not really his true position, nor does it reflect what he would do. Her gaffe exposed a vein of cynicism on national security. How confident can we be in his judgment? In fact, the hard truth is that he has no such experience.

Obama has tried to have it both ways on the issue of national security. On the one hand, he claims his intuition somehow would make him best equipped to handle the difficult challenges that face the next president. On the other hand, he tries to ridicule and dismiss as relatively insignificant the idea that actual experience with and intimate knowledge of foreign affairs and leaders, the U.S. military, the intelligence community, and the intricacies of diplomacy matter. He has even suggested that talking about the problems of national security amounts to exploitation of "fear." One of Obama's fervent supporters, a Harvard professor named Orlando Patterson, who has no expertise in foreign policy, wrote absurdly in a New York Times op-ed that the 3 a.m. ad wasn't about national security at all, but really a subliminal racist attack. Delusions aside, sometimes a discussion about national security is about national security.

There will, in fact, be 3 a.m. phone calls for the next president. They are not make believe. I have been there for such calls. The next president cannot be afraid or hesitant of handling the enormous national security crises that President Bush will leave behind. One thing is certain -- the calls will come. Obama has only an abdication of his chief senatorial responsibility as a basis for assessing what his judgment might be if and when the phone rings. Which of his shifting coterie of volatile advisers would he turn to? Will it be the one who repudiated his withdrawal plan, exposing his real intention, prior to being forced to resign? Or will it be those advisers who remained silent until politically convenient -- several years and several thousand lives after the shock and awe invasion, conquest and disastrous occupation of Iraq?

The calls are real and experience is real, too. The campaign might be treated as a game by the media, but those calls are serious, deadly serious.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/obamas-shallow-credentia_b_92586.html