The reason that the Florida primaries were moved up is...

[busymom]

1. The republican legislature wanted Florida to become more influential.

2. The democrats signed because they coupled the move to going away from touch screens with NO paper trail to voting machines that havea paper trail.

The problem here is that the voters didn't have a say....

[David Dunham]

1. Correct. Obama and Dean are undemocratic in opposing a revote in FL and MI

[busymom]

2. I don't know.

It's a complicated issue. I think that if the votes really mean the difference between a Clinton or Obama ticket that it is a huge credibility problem whether the votes are counted or not. That being said, I don't know what the right answer is.

[AllexxisF1]

4. Bullshit.

Dean has stated bluntly that if they did this they would be punished.

They did.

They got punished.


I live in Florida and I did not vote because I knew my vote would not be counted.


I know exactly who is to blame and that is the local legislature not the DNC, not the candidates.


They will be seated when the nominee has been chosen and that's that.

If you live in MI or FL than suck it up.


..and if you do not live in FL or MI than please also STFU, because this issue does not concern you.

[busymom]

6. of course it concerns me

There are millions of voters whose voices will not be heard. I'm appalled that we call this a democracy.

[AllexxisF1]

10. I thank you for your concern ...

But to be frank we do not need a do over or have us count. If the voters in Florida are pissed like I am then they should have been paying attention to what our representatives were doing.


I was and I took the DNC at it's word that we would not be counted. I sent a letter and went to my congressman's office which is down the street here in downtown Stuart. The bottom line is we will take care of this issue ourselves and we don't need Hillary supporters who are desperate for a chance for her to win force us to pay for a revote or take valuable dollars from the DNC that we need in the GE.


If Hillary supporters were so bent and hurt by what was happening to us here in FL and MI than why pray tell didn't they stand up and scream before we had the election?


Exactly.

[madfloridian]

13. It concerns me that two states continue to lie and pretend to be victims...

of both the Republican party and Dean and the DNC.

It is stupid, it is ignorant, it is pathetic.

[WCGreen]

20. The people in MI and FLA should take it up with their

democratic leaders who knew what they were doing when they voted to move up the primary...

[MadHound]

3. The Dems in Florida went along with the 'Pugs

There was what, one person who voted against moving up the primary date. They knew that they would be penalized, yet they didn't oppose it. I would have more sympathy for them if they had opposed it, even if they lost, but noooo, they went along with it. Very little sympathy for Florida. First the 2000 debacle, now this mess, sorry, but Floridians need to take their government and party back, clean the shit up because this whole "let's fuck up the elections again" schtick is getting old. I have more sympathy for MI than Florida, at this point I think that the Florida delegates can rot as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps the party would start to get its shit together if they weren't seated.

[busymom]

5. i think that's why it's so complicated

First, the vote was coupled with bringing in the voting machines with a paper trail...soooo...if they had opposed it, it would have been spun like "see, they don't want a paper trail". Either way, I think they would have come out bad. I have sympathy for the voters in Fl...having been one in the last major election cycle and knowing what a rip off it was....but not for the people who made the bad choices.

[madfloridian]

12. Please stop the spin...Florida has hurt our party.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1906

[CherokeeDem]

9. A Friend In Florida Spoke to Alcee Hastings' Office

The Chief of Staff told my friend that the original bill to change the date was filed by Florida State Senator Jeremy Ring (Dem from Margate). Ring ran on the issue and followed through on his campaign promise against the wishes of the DNC, who warned them from the beginning. He filed anyway and then under pressure from the DNC tried to pull the bill; the Republican Legislature refused. Why should they, the Dems did their dirty work for them. As stated, no one at the DNC or the candidates are to blame for this...the Florida Democrats put themselves in this position and they should answer to the Florida voters for this debauch le.

While there are a lot of problems with the primary system as a whole, the DNC tried to get Florida to hold a caucus or change the date and they would pay for it; Florida party officials refused and went ahead with holding the primary. I personally think that the DNC rules should hold although it disenfranchises Florida voters. Karen Thurmond, FL Dem Chair, and the Party officials should be held accountable.

FYI...until 2006, I lived in Miami, was a DEC member and served as a precinct chair. The Dems there are just as confused as we are as to how the Party let this happen. I was there in the middle of the horror of 2000, I never thought the FL Dems would be so stupid to allow this to happen after that.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. Floridian Democrats were advised by the DNC that if we voted early, our delegates

would not count. After we voted, we were reminded of it.

End of story. No more need be said.

[mkultra]

8. uh no

Democratic leadership bungled an attempt to bully florida into a stronger primary posistion



http://www.makeitcountflorida.com/page/content/makeitcount-people/

[madfloridian]

11. That is just not true. It is spin. FL Dems will destroy the party...

because they will not admit they were wrong.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1906

[busymom]

14. wow.

Very interesting. I had no idea about the role of the dems in this. I'm sure most of the voters didn't as well...what a real suckfest for the voters in Florida. If I was one of them, I think I'd consider overthrowing the govt. there in a huge display of voter rage.

[mkultra]

15. they should

They should have stood up and grab that guy geller(or whatever) by the collar and tossed him out.

[Political Heretic]

16. The bill was introduced by a DEMOCRAT. Try again.

[Zynx]

17. Because it was principally an election-reform bill.

[quakerboy]

18. When you

Elect Jeb bush a couple times, plus a republican majority in the state legislature, and then be surprised when the voting gets fucked up?

Then blame Dean/Obama? classic 2+2=17

[smalll]

19. Correct. Stripping delegates wholesale the way Dr. Dean did is just Old Testament justice. /nt