Obama's hyped speech did even less for him than Romney's hyped bust of a speech did for him

[jackson_dem]

Romney gained two and a half points nationally from it. Obama gained one, if you are generous and assume the 1 point change is due to the hype and not the natural up and downs in a tracking poll produced by margin of error...

Versus Clinton

3/17 0 46, H 44
3/18 0 45, H 44
Post-speech, post-media spin of it for a full day: 0 46, H 43

So he gained an entire point and even that is more likely due to natural fluctuations produced by the margin of error, not because he gave the greatest speech ever. :sarcasm:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Favorability ratings

3/17 47 fav, 50 unfav
3/18 48 fav, 49 unfav

Post-speech/post-hype: 48 fav, 49 unfav

These are from Rasmussen also.

[LakeSamish706]

1. It really doesn't matter, cause Obama will be the Democratic Nominee in spite of...

the stupid ass polls.

[grasswire]

7. in spite of the will of the people?

That's an interesting position.

[LakeSamish706]

11. It will be the will of the people... He is leading or haven't you been paying attention? n/t

[grasswire]

21. considering the fact that millions have yet to vote....

....then I believe your assessment is premature.

[JuniperLea]

57. You just said the polls were a bunch of crap!

Now you are saying Obama is leading? By what poll? Jeez...

:rofl:

[JuniperLea]

8. You know, this is the kind of divisive talk that is fucking up DU...

You don't have a crystal ball any more than any of the rest of us. Face it, Obamaniacs use polls that show Obama on top, and Hillbots use polls that show Clinton on top. Why can't you just let what is be what is instead of being the schoolyard loud mouthed bully? Why not leave the "neener neener" at home? Why do we have to see bullshit posts like this? What you are saying very well may come to pass... but to say it in such a fucked up gnarly self important way only serves to piss people off. Oh, but that is clearly what you intended, right?

:eyes:

[LakeSamish706]

12. Good I hope that I have pissed you off, cause I'm real sick of you sanctimonious Hillbots. n/t

[Pringles]

40. You kiss Obama with that mouth?

[JuniperLea]

54. This is hillarious!!!

I'm both a Hillbot and an Obamaniac all in one post!

Honestly, you people need to step away from the Kool Aid! You are looking very, very silly... and nasty.

[JuniperLea]

51. Look! Look! redqueen! I've been called a Hillbot!!!

AND an Obamaniac in response to one post!!!


Heh! I had to share!

[JuniperLea]

53. That is a nasty, nasty thing to say...

I don't care for either candidate... I voted Edwards... and there are quite a few people around here, obviously more intelligent than you, who understand where I'm coming from.

But to wish to piss someone off is just nasty... horrible people have feelings like that.

[dionysus]

49. ok mr righteous, don't complain about the rude-ass OP or anything...

[JuniperLea]

55. Ms. Righteous to you, Bucko...

I haven't had the chance! I'm too busy laughing my ass off at all the idiocy I'm seeing here!!! All y'all are nutty as bat shit! Do you see I've been called a Hillbot and an Obamaniac in response to this one post? Does that not prove how stupid this is getting?

STEP AWAY FROM THE KOOL AID!!!!

[dionysus]

59. but can't you appreciate the free entertainment this provides?

This is a board for political junkies! :toast:

[musicblind]

14. If, and it isn't a very realistic if but IF the stupid polls showed national opinion had changed

and held that way for weeks, and that Clinton had a 5 point lead over Obama in national opinion polls for ... lets say three weeks before the convention. Would you then be okay with the supers going with the will of the people? Perosnally I don't know how I would feel about that. but... it's a possibility.

[gravity]

2. Wait a week

before jumping to conclusions

[Hawkeye-X]

5. I just told this ass on the other thread

That the week ain't over - it'll be back to normal by Monday.

[durrrty libby]

24. lol

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

16. No one cares about a speech no one saw

The clips they saw were of him saying racism is bad and announcing on television that his grandmother is a racist. Stating the obvious and throwing your granny who raised you under the bus isn't going to give you a bounce.

[Moochy]

27. I heard he said "God Damn My White Grandma"

SERIESLY!!!!111111

[azmouse]

29. Why do you Hillary supports keep using a very nasty phrase?

Do you think it elevates the debate by falsely claiming he 'threw granny under the bus'?
Stop it right now. Just stop it.

If you really think you have the truth on your side you do not have to lie.

[jackson_dem]

36. "Hey world: my granny is a racist and that is my defense of not rejecting my pastor/mentor"

That is one of the few clips folks heard and it wasn't a good one for Obama. He equated the woman who raised him with someone who he chose to associate with for two decades. That made no sense. Calling out your granny simply is classless and will be seen as such by many folks. In the end, as I said during the hype both before and after the speech, it won't make a real difference. Neither did Romney's speech.

[Moochy]

37. Calling what he did "calling out your granny"

Shows your true nature.

[azmouse]

39. That is YOUR spin on what Obama said.

Like I said... if you feel you have truth on your side you do not need to lie. Stop it.

[jackson_dem]

46. That is how many will view it

Obama should not have included that in the speech and that is one of the few clips most folks saw.

[azmouse]

50. Again... that is your spin.

Many understood Obama's point about relatives we love who say racist things.
You choose to persist in not understanding.

[Pringles]

42. Would have been nice if he outed his father on national TV

as a racist.

He didn't want the "Obama blood sullied by a white woman".

*snort*

[jackson_dem]

47. He said that?

I do know Barack Obama admitted in his first book to once having the same fear his granny did. Why wasn't that in his "candid" speech?

[ima_sinnic]

44. "threw granny under the bus"---oooooh, how original! what a Big Thinker!

as IF he "threw her under the bus" at all. what a dipwad thing to say.
but, then, I've noticed your posts are about as intelligent as the rantings of a street corner meth-head lunatic.
aren't you missing something profound on talk radio or fux news right now? remember to keep your notepad handy for furious scribbling of the latest talking points. you wouldn't want to parrot them back wrong or anything.

[blogslut]

58. No one saw it?

So, 2,087,496 people on the Internet were just imagining that they saw it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU

[mwb970]

63. What do you mean "a speech no one saw"?

This is absurd nonsense. Over 2,000,000 people have watched the entire 37-minute speech on YouTube in only two days, easily shattering viewership records there. Who knows how many others watched part or most of it? They aren't in the 2,000,000+ count, which continues to grow.

And yet I have to read obnoxious drivel from uninformed poster "jackson_dem" saying that "no one saw" the speech.

I'm curious. Is there something wrong with you? Aren't you embarrassed to post such foolishness in public? Hello?

[Bigleaf]

3. Check back with us in a few days using more than one poll.

[adoraz]

9. exactly, its not a one day thing

just hit over 2 million views on youtube!

[Mags]

30. so do you think that all those viewers are BO fans, that will turn into votes?

[adoraz]

45. I don't really understand your question

but I think I may know what you are trying to say.

First off, people watching the video have rated it extremely high so it is obviously effective. Yes I know some of those are Obama fans giving it 5 stars, but a lot are Hillary/McCain fans giving it 1. Overall, the rating is very impressive.

Second, I am not just referring to the video by my post. A few things that need to be kept in mind:
1. This is just 1 poll
2. It it just 1 day after the live speech. this doesn't include much of the viral.
3. A few percentages points in well within MoE
4. Its a 4 day tracking poll, so maybe the 5th day included in yesterday was higher
5. I don't think most people will watch the speech and immediately say "I am voting for Obama". What I do think will happen is for most people who watch it, they will have a higher respect for him and this will start changing the mood towards Obama.

In my opinion, we should really give it more time and see more polls.

Nobody is voting today. Nobody is voting tomorrow. Nobody is voting next week, or the week after.

Lets just give it time and see what happens.

[Umbram]

4. And there we have Clinton supporters moving the Goalpost AGAIN

Gee, this was going to destroy him and he'd have to resign....oops, no, he ONLY gained one point in the polls.

[jackson_dem]

20. He gained one point after the speech

That has nothing to do with him losing ground before the speech.

A one point gain is meaningless, especially in a tracking poll. Margin of error exists.

[Bonobo]

6. You are so bitter and attached.

I'm curious to see where you will go after Hillary loses.

[JuniperLea]

10. Jesus Fucking Christ...

Can all y'all be any more childish and hateful?

I'm sick of Democrats. Fucking sick of you all. Y'all make me ashamed. You can't bring yourself to post a different view without being a fucking asshole about it.

[villager]

13. Glad you're not wasting time attacking McCain in these threads!

Wouldn't any of that on "Democratic" "Underground," now would we?

[jackson_dem]

17. What does McCain have to do with the Dem primaries?

Threads about him go to GD.

[villager]

26. What, indeed, could a candidate's -- or his/her supporters' -- strategies for beating McCain

have to do with the run-up to the nomination?

Beats the absolute hell out of me.

[jackson_dem]

31. Too bad Obamites cried and rammed through a 3 thread limit here

[villager]

33. Too bad so many adherents in both camps are so blinded they take no responsbility for anything

Though I don't know what the limit has to do with the content

[Moochy]

34. Wahhh

I guess Obama supporters dont need the use of spam, or hundreds of low-post count new hillary supporters to create an online Potemkin village with "grassroots" supporters like you.

[jackson_dem]

38. They did it because of whining over ONE poster they were able to execute anyway

The funny part is the net effect, since they were able to execute the non-believer in the messiah anyway, is to muzzle one Obamite who is one of two, either official or unofficial, opposition researchers on Clinton.

[Moochy]

41. Such dramatic terms, chill out

I suppose I need to be shown that any one poster has more than 3 useful posts on any GD:P subject. Any more than that is just flooding the zone, imo.

"execute" messiah, nonbeliever. you are all about Big Emotion words today huh?

[thewiseguy]

15. You are just another Herman...

Welcome to my ignore

[jackson_dem]

18. Thanks for the compliment

:hi:

[musicblind]

19. Why would you ignore someone JUST because they support Clinton?

It would be as ridiculous as if I ignored someone JUST because they were to support a candidate I did not. I would never do that. He didn't flame, (unless I missed something in the post) he merely put up a poll and said when he thought about it.

[thewiseguy]

22. I did not ignore him for that

You should read his posts over a period of time. He is ignorant as hell and most of his threads are flame baits.

I do not come on DU to read that type of shit.

[Barack_America]

35. The quality of his posts has dropped off dramatically lately.

It's really disappointing.

He was never pro-Obama, but I always paid attention to his posts because they were at least logical. He didn't used to warp facts to suit his argument. That, unfortunately, is no longer the case.

[Moochy]

23. Thanks for this Even Interpretation of the Facts

:rofl:

[jackson_dem]

25. Fact 1: +1 against Clinton. Fact 2: +0 in favorability

There isn't anything to interpret.

[Moochy]

28. And yet you managed to skew the OP! Kudos

[robbedvoter]

32. KO needs to lecture us some more

bad, bad voters! :spank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nA3v7ON5XdA

[Sean Stuart]

43. So far Obama's speech has kept his numbers from plummeting due to the MSM's

campaign against him with the Wright footage. I'd call it success in that regard. But it's premature to call, because the MSM is not done attacking him with Wright.

[DemGa]

48. Look like the "throw grandma under the bus" speech was for naught

or perhaps more likely, will work against the Sainted one.

[Danger Mouse]

61. he did not throw his grandma under the bus...

but talking reason to you is wasted effort.

[DemGa]

62. Sure he did -- and where is she to defend herself? It's shameful

"a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

[LulaMay]

52. Thanks for this!

[SoCalDem]

56. Rassmussen

:rofl:

[judaspriestess]

60. kick

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