The Clintons would have you believe OH, PA, and other states are filled with white racists.

[Skwmom]

That is another LIE. Without shame the Clinton camp is painting OH and PA white working class voters as racist but that's not why the overwhelming majority are supporting Clinton. It the two-for-one, the third term for Bill Clinton, the Clinton economic myth that they are supporting. The Clinton boom years are a myth b/c the devastation of the Clinton policies took place after Bill Clinton left office.

Do some racists live in OH and PA? Sure, but they are the exception to the rule and not the norm. Plus, the more the media, the Clinton camp and their buddy Murdoch play the race card, the more whites who aren't racist will say I can't vote for a black man b/c he won't win in November. So what if they have to paint whole states as a bunch of working class racists? If you're willing to send their jobs overseas, then stand up in front of them and tell them that you're their champion, you will fight for them, you won't really hesitate at trashing the reputation of those working class Americans for your benefit.

Spare me the "20% of OH voters said race was a factor."

1. It doesn't mean the person was a racist, just that they considered it in their vote (as in I don't think the country is ready for a black President, I want the Democrats to win in November, so I'll vote for Hillary). I'm sure Clinton via surrogates were selling this message to OH and PA voters - which would drive up the number of people taking race into question. Why do you think this polling question was asked in OH?

2. You can target your polling in certain areas which you know will give you the desired results (areas where people with race issues are likely to live). Polls are like real estate appraisals, name your desired outcome/dollar amount and I'll deliver the results/value.

On edit: The Clinton camp has played the "oh the working class whites won't vote for a black man b/c there are still too many racists so you need to vote for Hillary if you want a Democrat in the Whitehouse" card. Then when the white working class vote for the Clintons, the Clinton camp goes - see we told you white working class Americans would not vote for a black man.




When I think about the Clintons what keeps coming to mind is "Have you no decency?" Of course, we already know the answer to that question. On edit: The only question that remains is to the Democratic Leaders, the Superdelegates, Have you no decency? For the sake of this country and the Democratic party I hope the resounding answer is yes.

[displacedtexan]

1. Link to "The Clintons would have you believe," please.

Otherwise, please correct your OP.

Thanks!

[papau]

16. Obama fans never correct a thread - and any not in love with Obama are racist

[Skwmom]

30. No, Only the white working class are racists who won't

vote for a black man (that is if you're to believe the Clinton Camp spin).

[roguevalley]

44. I hate that they portray people as racists, assuming if you're poor

or working class, you are racist. Fuck anyone who won't go out and find out what people really think.

[WVRevy]

22. The governor of PA - a STAUNCH Clinton supporter...

...said that middle class whites in Pennsylvania will not vote for a black man.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/rendell-some-whites-won_n_86246.html

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," the Governor said, ironically, to a black reporter. "I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann <2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate> been the identical candidate that he was -- well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so."

[democrattotheend]

27. Obama should use that to his advantage

Call out Rendell and challenge PA white voters to prove him wrong. Say that he has a little more faith in PA voters to look beyond his skin color and judge him on his merits.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

39. Many white people in PA will be mortified that they are considered white rascists!

this is getting so nasty. Does Clinton's campaign condone this?

[TahitiNut]

41. Rendell is clearly claiming that 5% of his support comes from racial bigots.

Isn't it nice that he continues to represent their interests? :eyes:

[displacedtexan]

46. OP says "The Clintons"

I'm still waiting for a link to back up that OP.

[Kermitt Gribble]

2. "The Clinton boom years are a myth...

b/c the devastation of the Clinton policies took place after Bill Clinton left office."

Wow, what Fox News show did you pull that from? That quote can't possibly be more republican.

[Zynx]

4. If you believe free trade is the reason for our economic dilema you can believe that, but

that's such a stupid argument. Our principal problem has been an economy that has become too highly leveraged and supply side policies have made that worse, not Clinton policies.

[Skwmom]

8. I dont' need Fox News to do my thinking for me.

I actually believe in critical thinking, not just taking something as the gospel b/c it was repeated 20 times (as in I have 35 years of experience, I will fight for you, I am fully vetted, I have met the commander-in-chief test....)

[Kermitt Gribble]

12. There's a difference

between "believing" in critical thinking and actually thinking critically.

I think your hate for the Clintons is diluting your critical thinking ability.

[Skwmom]

35. It's my critical thinking skills which have made me dislike what the

Clintons represent. Now if I was the type of person that just believed every word they said just b/c they repeated it a few times I guess I'd blindly support the Clintons without question.

[jobycom]

3. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

There's not one true statement in this post. No way to respond to it.

[Skwmom]

26. Thanks for repsonses like yours. It only confirms my belief. :)

[jobycom]

42. What belief? That Clinton is calling her voters racist? That's not a belief, it's a twisted attack.

[LostinVA]

5. Sources?

That AREN'T RW or in your head.

[Zynx]

6. I can pull arguments out of my ass too. I'm not asking for a link, but I am asking for

some basis in fact. This post is maybe 12.3% fact-based and 87.7% bull-plop.

[Skwmom]

9. I don't have the Clinton media connections, where they can get their buddy to write an article and

then have their paid staff link to it on message boards. Not to mention the so called fair media organization tied to the Clintons.
I'm just an average American entitled to my opinion.

[TooBigaTent]

7. Remove Philly and Pittsburgh from PA and you do have Alabama. And having inlaws

in OH, I can tell you that they (racists) are NOT the exception to the rule. The influence of the catholic church is enormous in both states - hence the socially-backward policies that keep guns on the streets, gay Americans as second-class citizens, and freedom of choice under constant attack.

If it wasn't for the counter-weight of Philly in PA, this state would be no different than any Confederate cesspool. Central PA Dems are the kind that think Casey is too liberal.

So, maybe these states are not "filled" with racists, but there are enough to cause a lot of problems for reasonable people.

[EFerrari]

10. What is the context of your OP? I'm a little lost here.

:)

/oops

[Skwmom]

11. Okay does this clarify?

Every since Ohio and the poll the Clinton camp has been spinning it that Obama can't get the white vote b/c he is black and there are too many working class racists who will never vote for a black man (remember Rendell's comments). Well I have family in that area and the reasons the working class are flocking to the Clintons - they view it as putting Bill Clinton back in the Whitehouse and it will bring back the boom economic times.

Furthermore, the poll taken in OH said race was a factor. The question wasn't whether or not you would vote for a black man because you are a racist. The Clintons also play the "oh the white working class won't vote for a black man b/c there are still to many racists so you need to vote for Hillary if you want a Democrat in the Whitehouse" card. Then when the working class vote for the Clintons, the Clinton camp goes - see we told you working class Americans would not vote for a black man.

[EFerrari]

14. Gotcha. Yes, racism is about all the Clintons have left.

Bill might well bring back a boom but not for working people.

[buff2]

18. Well........

God DAMN America! It's the KKK US of A! It's the RICH WHITE people who run everything. HILLARY was never called A n****R. The white run government gave aids to blacks. Yeah....racism comes from the Clintons alright. :sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

19. You don't know the difference between racism and calling out racism.

So, no sale, pal.

[buff2]

23. It's on both sides

It needs to stop. I've went off on people in here because of the trashing of Hillary.It's been childish of me,I can admit that. But the Hillary hate never stops. I am going to try to do better. I'm tired of all the bitterness and hard feelings coming from both sides. We should be after McCain...since the media whores have him ahead of both Hillary and Obama.

[EFerrari]

25. Going after McCain right about now would be a good idea.

Unfortunately, we're being played like violins with all this infighting. It needs to stop.

[buff2]

29. I know

We are only hurting ourselves. I support Hillary,but if Obama wins I am voting for him in the fall. McCain would be a disaster.He's already acting like he's won the Presidency,going overseas and playing the part. God,he is despicable.

[EFerrari]

33. He's corrupt as hell AND not as well connected as Junior.

We cannot allow him to happen.

[buff2]

36. What are we going to do?

The media whores can't get off Obama's back. They never say anything against McCain....it's always Hillary or Obama. I'm sick of it. They have pounded this Wright thing enough. The harder a Dem tries,the more they knock em down. :grr:

[EFerrari]

37. I think that, no matter who you support, the least we can do is

email these @ssholes playing the Wright clip to tear down Democrats -- because if he gets it, they will damage him in general and if she gets it, they'll further alienate black voters, right? -- and tell them to cut out the race baiting.

Because that's what it is. They want to separate the black vote from the Democratic party mainly. Second best for them would be to injure Obama in November.

[buff2]

40. I'm going to e-mail them

But we have to keep it civil or they will just delete us. :hi:

[EFerrari]

43. I'm sure our poor overworked mods would appreciate that.

:)

[Skwmom]

34. The Clintons aren't racist but they'll use the race card, the victim card

and any other card to win the Whitehouse.

[buff2]

38. I would like to know where you get that from

They have been there for blacks more than any other President and First Lady. They never turned down speaking to the NAACP or any other organization representing blacks.They have NEVER turned their backs on them or anyone else.

[buff2]

15. That's a lie

I've never heard the Clintons talk like that and neither did you.


"they view it as putting Bill Clinton back in the Whitehouse and it will bring back the boom economic times."

Not a bad idea. I would take the Clinton years over this shit anyday.

[OzarkDem]

32. Got a link?

Your accusations have no basis in fact. Are you here just to disrupt and get the race war going in the Dem party? Good luck. Dem's hatred of Republicans will always be strong.

[buff2]

13. I don't understand why you would post a thread like this.

Nothing but a rightwing smear campaign. You voting for John McCain?

[Skwmom]

17. It's not a smear. Has not the meme been that white working class people won't vote

for Obama b/c he is a black man (inferring that they are racist). Well I am tired of the white working class being painted as a bunch of racists for political gain. Are there some white working class racists? Sure but they are in the MINORITY and will not prevent Obama from winning in Nov.

[buff2]

20. I have never heard anyone say they wouldn't vote for him

because he is black. The people I have talked to don't like the racism he has hanging around his neck. That's the same way some people feel about Hillary.It works both ways.

[Catherina]

21. Agreed. And it won't work

It's going to backfire and tremendously hurt the Democratic Party if they don't step in and put a stop to this.

The anger towards the Clintons is rising on the street. I loathe them so much right now that I'm angry at myself for ever having defended them.

[buff2]

24. See...

this is the very reason John McCain is ahead in the polls. The repukes are loving this. The Hillary hating from the Dem side helps them even more.

[Catherina]

45. John McCain is surging ahead because the DLC is determined to FORCE

its war-loving, clusterbomb poster girl on people who want nothing to do with their rightwing collaboration while simultaneously tearing down a candidate who's attracting people with his brain and heart.


If you don't like it, quit being part of the machine forcing her on people

[OzarkDem]

28. I missed that memo

WTF are you talking about? :crazy:

[BumRushDaShow]

31. How about DLC Clinton-supporting Governor of PA Fast Eddie, would like for you to believe...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08043/856727-153.stm

You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," he said bluntly. Our eyes only met briefly, perhaps because the governor wanted to spare the only black guy in the room from feeling self-conscious for backing an obvious loser. "I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann <2006 Republican gubernatorial candidate> been the identical candidate that he was --well-spoken , charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so."

This obvious racially motivated divide and conquer statement underscores the pernicious strategy that is fully sanctioned by the DLC, with Clinton as their candidate and holder of a leadership role in that organization. This idiot has essentially broadbrushed the entire state as "conservative whites" and "other whites" - neither of whom would supposedly vote for Obama because of his race and would vote for Clinton instead (regardless of whether McCain was running, which is silly, as they wouldn't touch a Clinton lever if their lives depended on it). This nonsense from the Governor basically suggests that Obama should not even bother running in the state.

Just from interaction with some former staunch repukes who are neighbors (these were people who were big Reagan supporters), their disdain for Bushco has been so severe, that they are flocking to Obama oddly enough, as they have told me the economy and war were some of the biggest fiascos of * and they have had enough (their being in and out of work too, thanks to NAFTA, was a big motivator as well).