"I Hate The Gooks"

[phrenzy]

If what Obama's PASTOR said is reason enough for him to be disqualified from being CIC, then why don't the words that came out of Mc Cain's OWN MOUTH disqualify HIM?

Has the MSM asked this question?

My guess is that, this is why McCain hasn't touched this issue.

[CatsDogsBabies]

1. It is far more acceptable for whites

to say dreogatory things about other races than it is for other races to say derogatory things about whites. There is a double standard, clear as day on this board, no matter how much people want to deny it.

[CatsDogsBabies]

2. X

[SoonerPride]

3. eh, they think he earned the right to hate since he was a bad pilot

but, whatever, I think any Democrat will wipe the floor with his puffy head.

[phrenzy]

5. But Rev. Wright Has NOT Earned The Right?

That is what gets me - god knows what that man saw go down in the 60s. Yet Obama can't be forgiven for WRIGHT being "angry"

[SoonerPride]

6. Fear of a Black Planet

Chuck D had it right 15 years ago.

[leftynyc]

11. Do you really think that's a winning argument?

Whether true or not is irrelevant. He was a POW for 5 years and has the physical scars to this day. Frankly, he can call his captors anything he likes - he's earned that. And if you think people are going to turn against him for speaking badly of the people who held him captive, I'd like some of whatever you're smoking.

That said, I think he's very beatable in November. Just drop this stupid line of attack.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Because he's not an angry black man. Duh.

[grantcart]

7. In fairness to McCain he 1) was tortured 2) left that feeling behind and

stood up and supported the restoration of full diplomatic relations with Vietnam. Without his giving political cover it is doubtful that we would have been able to accomplish that.

Also the fact that he now is the most effective statesman in the country against the use of torture should, I believe, give him some consideration in his remarks.

[SoonerPride]

8. I thought he voted for torture after being against it.

Didn't he change his mind or am I crazy?

He used to have a clear voice against torutre, but I think he went all right wing crazy.

[grantcart]

16. He has been against waterboarding all along but even if he changes or

modifies his position now, his past position has given tremendous political cover for democrats.

[SoonerPride]

18. Modifies his position? You mean "endorses torture."

Nice euphemism there.

But he now is a torture loving bastard, just like the rest of the right wing.

And no, I don't give him any accoaldes for once being against it. If he had a spine he'd still be against it rather than "modifying his position."

[RoadRage]

10. Yes.. but in fairness to Obama...

1) Obama didn't even make the statement(s)
2) McCain lived through torture.. but we don't even know what racial hatred Wright has seen in his lifetime
3) Obama made a speech yesterday to try and do "full restitution" on this issue, but the MSM doesn't want to see it fixed..they want to propogate the issue further.

I'm not saying that McCain is an evil creature for saying what he did - especially once you put it in perspective. But they hypocricy is that everyone is willing to put it in perspective for McCain, but not for Obama - or Obama's minister even.. because Obama didn't even say anything. He's getting tarred & feathered for just listening to the comment.

[leftynyc]

13. He was against torture

up to the very moment he voted for it.

[phrenzy]

14. Wrong on 2nd point

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/17/us/politics/17torture.html

[phrenzy]

17. What about "In Fairness To Obama"?

In fairness to Obama, his preacher did witness some bad shit go down in the 60s

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. and 3) is a racist bigot.

Frankly, using his service to excuse his racism is an insult to every man and woman who's served overseas and didn't come back a bigot.

[grantcart]

21. There is no evidence that John McCain is a racist bigot

There is quite to the contrary substantial evidence that he is not:


http://adoptiveparenting.wordpress.com/2008/01/05/mccain-and-adoption/
This isn’t about who you are voting for so let’s all take off our partisan hats.

How many of you remember the snotty rumors last presidential election cycle that John McCain had a “love child” out of wedlock with an African-American woman? Oh the horror!

The truth was that his wife Cindy founded a group that organized trips for Arizona doctors and nurses to areas in need to medical assistance - think a Doctor’s Without Borders sort of group for disaster areas. On one such trip to Bangladesh, she fell in love with a baby living at an orphanage run by Mother Theresa - a child that needed more medical care than they could provide on the mission. So she bundled her up and took her home to the US with her, calling John from an airport to tell him he was about to having another child. Their daughter Bridget is now going on 17 and like most of the McCain children, kept away from the press for their privacy.



The Peoples Republic of Vietnam is very grateful for what he has done for them as a Senator and the far right wing has villified him for it.


We will expose how McCain has supported the brutal and repressive Communist regime in Vietnam," the Garnerville, New York-based activist said. "You have to ask why a man who was a POW would support this regime?"

Kiley will be working with Sampley, who produces the newspaper and website US Veteran Dispatch and served in the Army in Vietnam. The two worked together on the website Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, which they claim registered 20 million hits in 2004. He also speaks harshly of McCain on POW/MIA issues.

"He led the way on normalizing relations with Vietnam, and it took away all our leverage on prisoner of war issues," Sampley said. "McCain has proudly touted for years that he and Kerry were saviors of the POW issue, but he's really the betrayer of the issue."

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

23. "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

Direct quote.

Proof.

Deal with it.

[doyourealize1]

25. see my post below

n/t

[grantcart]

31. Yes he hated the people who tortured them and called them gooks

``I'll call, right now, my interrogator that tortured me and my friends a `gook,' OK, and you can quote me,'' McCain said last week. Adding that all his fellow prisoners of war used the same term, McCain said his tormentors ``were cruel, mean, vicious, sometimes sadistic people. And `gook' is the kindest description I can give them, the most printable.''



He never called the Vietnamese people 'gooks' as a people and when Vietnamese community asked him to apologize he did so:

deeply regret any pain I may have caused by my choice of words. I apologize and renounce all language that is bigoted and offensive, which is contrary to all that I represent and believe,'' McCain said


He has an Asian daughter and he is responsible for US and Vietnam having diplomatic relations.

[bunnies]

9. When? Where?

Do you have a link?

[npincus]

12. Why hasn't McCain repudiated HIMSELF?

Instead, he is completely unapologietic! He is on record saying that they will always be "gooks" to him! Well I'm married to a Japanese, and I don't f*cking appreciate it! Nor do millions of others, I'm sure. Why the hell aren't the MSM playing the "Gooks" soundbite 24/7 as well? Why is Obama being excoriated over ignorant words spoken by another human being, words he HAS repudiated?

Lots of questions, any answers?

[leftynyc]

15. If the MSM did that, people would

only be reminded that while fighting for his country, he was held captive and tortured for 5 years. Good luck finding people who are going to get upset because he shows no respect for his captors. There are hundreds of arguments for not voting for Mccain - this is not one of them.

[doyourealize1]

24. From a Vietnamese-American perspective about McCain...

John McCain is very popular in the Vietnamese community.

Most Vietnamese in America are political refugees from Vietnam, and they backed the south during the war. McCain, in our eyes, is a hero for Vietnamese-Americans because he defended the south, and he was tortured along with many of us, including some of my family and friends. His use of the word "gook" is in reference to his north Vietnamese captors.

Many Americans use the word "gook" as a derogatory term for all south-east asians. I don't believe that McCain used it for that purpose.

[phrenzy]

27. Vietnamese Americans

Belive me, I know all about it. My girlfriend's parents have protested Hillary Clinton and other Democrats for a variety of reasons related to issues in their old country. It's very similar to the way Cuban expatriates love Republicans for no other reason than they "talk tough to Castro"

It's totally understandable to me, and I am nobody to pass judgement on somebody who went through hell at the hands of the North Vietnamese or Castro.

What I find ironic is that many people (not just Vietnamese) are willing to equivocate and contextualize John Mc Cain's comments when Wright gets no such luxury.

[doyourealize1]

28. Nothing against Wright

He speaks from his own experience, that's fine.

[npincus]

30. BINGO.

the MSM is on some kind of jihad. Wright clips are not "news" anymore; they've been seen ad nauseum and now just accesorize the latest rehashing of the story. In the absence of news, the MSM is manufacturing it, not reporting it.

[rox63]

19. Is the video of this out on YouTube?

Might be a good payback on his campaign distributing the Wright videos. And we all know payback's a b***h.

[wowimthere]

22. absolutely true...

and nor has the right wing nose plugs. They've never mentioned it.

[goletian]

26. yes, hillary better get all the mileage out of this BS she can, because it wont stick in the GE...

guilty by guilt > guilty by association.

[KingFlorez]

29. I'm glad someone brought this up